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Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:12 pm**

dkm57 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:00 pm FUCKYEAH!!

No doubt there'll be comments about how England made errors, played poorly etc etc BULLSHIT! Scotland were bloody awesome in all departments and didn't let them in the game. Scoreline actually flattered England for once.

I really hope we can take some revenge on Wales

We were proper garbage but I don't think Scotland were awesome in all departments. In the cold light of day Scotland will know that they could have done a lot better than that. Obviously breaking the record is absolutely massive but Scotland can and will put on better performances than that.

Fully deserved, glad they won and that England's excruciating anti-rugby didn't carry them through at all. I'm sick of Eddie's arrogant "no-one else understands rugby" bullshit and his insane devotion to certain players regardless of just how much they shit the bed. I'm off to watch trash TV

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:12 pm**

dkm57 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:07 pm Just the small matter of a pretty impressive France, Dupont, Ntamack and Fickou are pretty impressive.

Wales we're capable of tearing a new one

Ireland could be a surprise

Surely ti fek we won't bollox it up against Italy.

N’tamack is not available

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:17 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:12 pm
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:07 pm Just the small matter of a pretty impressive France, Dupont, Ntamack and Fickou are pretty impressive.

Wales we're capable of tearing a new one

Ireland could be a surprise

Surely ti fek we won't bollox it up against Italy.
N’tamack is not available

Yeah, shame France are reduced to Jalibert and Carbonel, or they could be a good side this year

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:19 pm**

Awesome result for Scotland but bloody hell boys, you should have won that by 15.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:22 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:06 pm
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:00 pm FUCKYEAH!!

No doubt there'll be comments about how England made errors, played poorly etc etc BULLSHIT! Scotland were bloody awesome in all departments and didn't let them in the game. Scoreline actually flattered England for once.

I really hope we can take some revenge on Wales
Awesome in ALL depts? You include you half back's efforts in that?

Apart from the Itoje thing I thought Price was sound

Finn gonna Finn he can't be compared to normal 10s, he did put in some pretty special moves that given a fair bounce would have had people wetting themselves.

Thought Steel held the line well when he came on for Price, one for the future just ahead of G Horne, SH-C, Dobbie & Co.
10s, we've got Finn, Hastings, Thomson, Wier and VdW.

For the first time I can remember we've got reasonable depth in almost all positions.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:23 pm**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:19 pm Awesome result for Scotland but bloody hell boys, you should have won that by 15.

You expect us to win easy?

You don't know us at all, do you

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:31 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:23 pm
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:19 pm Awesome result for Scotland but bloody hell boys, you should have won that by 15.
You expect us to win easy?

You don't know us at all, do you

Sorry to have to agree with Torq but Russell and hogg did their best to lose the game in the first half leading to the Yellow. The drop goal attempt was utterly stupid and execution was worse.

So yeah can't be easy when your best players connive to screw up about as many times as they make the difference.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:47 pm**

Does anyone know why the match isn't on demand within foxtel? Woke up this morning to watch it and cannot find it on foxtel sport . .

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:17 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:31 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:23 pm
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:19 pm Awesome result for Scotland but bloody hell boys, you should have won that by 15.
You expect us to win easy?

You don't know us at all, do you
Sorry to have to agree with Torq but Russell and hogg did their best to lose the game in the first half leading to the Yellow. The drop goal attempt was utterly stupid and execution was worse.

So yeah can't be easy when your best players connive to screw up about as many times as they make the difference.

Hogg? Man of the match Hogg? Or a different Hogg?

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:39 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:17 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:31 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:23 pm

You expect us to win easy?

You don't know us at all, do you
Sorry to have to agree with Torq but Russell and hogg did their best to lose the game in the first half leading to the Yellow. The drop goal attempt was utterly stupid and execution was worse.

So yeah can't be easy when your best players connive to screw up about as many times as they make the difference.
Hogg? Man of the match Hogg? Or a different Hogg?

His dithering with Russell lead to the yellow and could have lead to a try.
He may be man of the match (Not really sure what lead to this) but frankly that one is for your backrow.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:39 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:31 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:23 pm
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:19 pm Awesome result for Scotland but bloody hell boys, you should have won that by 15.
You expect us to win easy?

You don't know us at all, do you
Sorry to have to agree with Torq but Russell and hogg did their best to lose the game in the first half leading to the Yellow. The drop goal attempt was utterly stupid and execution was worse.

So yeah can't be easy when your best players connive to screw up about as many times as they make the difference.

Firstly: yes, we should have won by 15+. No disrespect to England intended, but I’ve never seen us dominate any game against a Tier 1 opponent so completely.

Secondly: Hogg had a great game - was that who you meant? Flawless defence, some top drawer broken field running, kicking was pinpoint. Russell didn’t have a good game by his standards, I’ll allow. Poor off the tee, no need for the YC, and a couple of brain farts. I’d still have him ahead of any other 10 we have though. Price didn’t have a good game either, but his place isn’t under serious threat just now.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:52 pm**

I don't doubt that the choices are slim until a few years ago that was the French team lot as well (and terrible coaching).

You do have a good coach not sure he will get Russell the Solid head on shoulders he lacks.

On Hogg I may have highlighted his only mistake that game but that one could have cost the game.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:13 pm**

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:39 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:31 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:23 pm

You expect us to win easy?

You don't know us at all, do you
Sorry to have to agree with Torq but Russell and hogg did their best to lose the game in the first half leading to the Yellow. The drop goal attempt was utterly stupid and execution was worse.

So yeah can't be easy when your best players connive to screw up about as many times as they make the difference.
Firstly: yes, we should have won by 15+. No disrespect to England intended, but I’ve never seen us dominate any game against a Tier 1 opponent so completely.

Secondly: Hogg had a great game - was that who you meant? Flawless defence, some top drawer broken field running, kicking was pinpoint. Russell didn’t have a good game by his standards, I’ll allow. Poor off the tee, no need for the YC, and a couple of brain farts. I’d still have him ahead of any other 10 we have though. Price didn’t have a good game either, but his place isn’t under serious threat just now.

I could quibble with details but generally I think that’s pretty fair.

Well played Scotland. By far the better team today.

Eddie, get your ass into gear

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:22 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:39 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:17 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:31 pm

Sorry to have to agree with Torq but Russell and hogg did their best to lose the game in the first half leading to the Yellow. The drop goal attempt was utterly stupid and execution was worse.

So yeah can't be easy when your best players connive to screw up about as many times as they make the difference.
Hogg? Man of the match Hogg? Or a different Hogg?
His dithering with Russell lead to the yellow and could have lead to a try.
He may be man of the match (Not really sure what lead to this) but frankly that one is for your backrow.

I'm quite comfortable with beating England when we're not at our best. Glad you noticed that and I'm looking forward to us being better.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:36 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:22 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:39 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:17 pm

Hogg? Man of the match Hogg? Or a different Hogg?
His dithering with Russell lead to the yellow and could have lead to a try.
He may be man of the match (Not really sure what lead to this) but frankly that one is for your backrow.
I'm quite comfortable with beating England when we're not at our best. Glad you noticed that and I'm looking forward to us being better.

Every one likes beating England

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:58 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:36 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:22 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:39 pm
His dithering with Russell lead to the yellow and could have lead to a try.
He may be man of the match (Not really sure what lead to this) but frankly that one is for your backrow.
I'm quite comfortable with beating England when we're not at our best. Glad you noticed that and I'm looking forward to us being better.
Every one likes beating England

I reckon Hogg was MoM for his tactical kicking today. He’s always got a big boot, but today every kick was perfect. How many times did he pin England back to their own line with a huge kick that bounced beautifully into touch? Four? Five?

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:27 pm**

I think it’s worth saying, and please take this in the spirit intended, but the English lads have been magnanimous to a man.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:32 pm**

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:39 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:31 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:23 pm

You expect us to win easy?

You don't know us at all, do you
Sorry to have to agree with Torq but Russell and hogg did their best to lose the game in the first half leading to the Yellow. The drop goal attempt was utterly stupid and execution was worse.

So yeah can't be easy when your best players connive to screw up about as many times as they make the difference.
Firstly: yes, we should have won by 15+. No disrespect to England intended, but I’ve never seen us dominate any game against a Tier 1 opponent so completely.

Secondly: Hogg had a great game - was that who you meant? Flawless defence, some top drawer broken field running, kicking was pinpoint. Russell didn’t have a good game by his standards, I’ll allow. Poor off the tee, no need for the YC, and a couple of brain farts. I’d still have him ahead of any other 10 we have though. Price didn’t have a good game either, but his place isn’t under serious threat just now.

Certainly by more than 5, but then none of us know what it's like to play under the cloud of a 38 year hoodoo and then power through it when the realisation sets in that the win is very much on the cards. The mixture of anxiety, excitement and anticipation must be a heady cocktail to try and play while experiencing.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:36 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:27 pm I think it’s worth saying, and please take this in the spirit intended, but the English lads have been magnanimous to a man.

We can have no complaints except about our own shortcomings. Your lot smacked us in the face, played well and we failed to muster anything resembling a worthy response.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:43 pm**

I have no real misgivings about the margin of victory, let's be honest, England are no mugs, they are defending champions and very few sides pull their pants down. We did just that in almost all aspect save the scoreboard.
I'll take that, England are a mighty opponent, one we usually lose to, but we deserved the win today.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:30 am**

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:23 pm
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:19 pm Awesome result for Scotland but bloody hell boys, you should have won that by 15.
You expect us to win easy?

You don't know us at all, do you

so true

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:02 am**

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:17 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:31 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:23 pm

You expect us to win easy?

You don't know us at all, do you
Sorry to have to agree with Torq but Russell and hogg did their best to lose the game in the first half leading to the Yellow. The drop goal attempt was utterly stupid and execution was worse.

So yeah can't be easy when your best players connive to screw up about as many times as they make the difference.
Hogg? Man of the match Hogg? Or a different Hogg?

I never mentioned Hogg. Don't like him at all but he was very good overall yesterday, especially some of his clearing kicks.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:08 am**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:12 pm Fully deserved, glad they won and that England's excruciating anti-rugby didn't carry them through at all. I'm sick of Eddie's arrogant "no-one else understands rugby" bullshit and his insane devotion to certain players regardless of just how much they shit the bed. I'm off to watch trash TV

Jones is beginning to remind me of Noves mid career. When you
- build up a deserved reputation for success
- but are utterly single minded
then there is the danger of running into megalomania. Paranoia soon accompanies it as everyone else is clearly to blame for any failures.

I listened to his drivel re the Sarries players and how they'd be better because they'd played a lot of hard rugby and the rest period had done them good. Save Itoje who is an athletic freak (his errors were his usual ones of discipline), the rest of the Sarries looked like they were moving through tar mentally and physically.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:14 am**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:08 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:12 pm Fully deserved, glad they won and that England's excruciating anti-rugby didn't carry them through at all. I'm sick of Eddie's arrogant "no-one else understands rugby" bullshit and his insane devotion to certain players regardless of just how much they shit the bed. I'm off to watch trash TV
Jones is beginning to remind me of Noves mid career. When you
- build up a deserved reputation for success
- but are utterly single minded
then there is the danger of running into megalomania. Paranoia soon accompanies it as everyone else is clearly to blame for any failures.

I listened to his drivel re the Sarries players and how they'd be better because they'd played a lot of hard rugby and the rest period had done them good. Save Itoje who is an athletic freak (his errors were his usual ones of discipline), the rest of the Sarries looked like they were moving through tar mentally and physically.

Jones is mentally scarred from the World Cup final. That explains everything that has happened since

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:43 am**

If you look at England under Jones, there's always a very explicit game plan for the first ten minutes to get the play in a particular part of the pitch, run set moves and get an early lead. If you disrupt that, they're a bit pish.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:12 am**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:08 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:12 pm Fully deserved, glad they won and that England's excruciating anti-rugby didn't carry them through at all. I'm sick of Eddie's arrogant "no-one else understands rugby" bullshit and his insane devotion to certain players regardless of just how much they shit the bed. I'm off to watch trash TV
Jones is beginning to remind me of Noves mid career. When you
- build up a deserved reputation for success
- but are utterly single minded
then there is the danger of running into megalomania. Paranoia soon accompanies it as everyone else is clearly to blame for any failures.

I listened to his drivel re the Sarries players and how they'd be better because they'd played a lot of hard rugby and the rest period had done them good. Save Itoje who is an athletic freak (his errors were his usual ones of discipline), the rest of the Sarries looked like they were moving through tar mentally and physically.

I did (still do) think that Jones’s decision to start 5 Saracens players gave us the advantage. What was odd, though, was that Maitland is also a Saracen, and he looked pretty sharp. Go figure.

Agree with those saying that England and English fans have shown great dignity in defeat.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:26 am**

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:12 am
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:08 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:12 pm Fully deserved, glad they won and that England's excruciating anti-rugby didn't carry them through at all. I'm sick of Eddie's arrogant "no-one else understands rugby" bullshit and his insane devotion to certain players regardless of just how much they shit the bed. I'm off to watch trash TV
Jones is beginning to remind me of Noves mid career. When you
- build up a deserved reputation for success
- but are utterly single minded
then there is the danger of running into megalomania. Paranoia soon accompanies it as everyone else is clearly to blame for any failures.

I listened to his drivel re the Sarries players and how they'd be better because they'd played a lot of hard rugby and the rest period had done them good. Save Itoje who is an athletic freak (his errors were his usual ones of discipline), the rest of the Sarries looked like they were moving through tar mentally and physically.
I did (still do) think that Jones’s decision to start 5 Saracens players gave us the advantage. What was odd, though, was that Maitland is also a Saracen, and he looked pretty sharp. Go figure.

Agree with those saying that England and English fans have shown great dignity in defeat.

But it wasn’t just the Saracens players. I heard a couple of commentators saying that other English players hadn’t played well because of the European cancellations, but that was the same for a few of our players and 2 or the best performing, Hogg and Gray

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:22 pm**

Still a twat

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:31 pm**

And he didn't help Wilson at all after getting bumped. Just stood off then gingerly tried to get a boot underneath. Pathetic stuff, right after a pathetic attempt at a tackle by Daly.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:31 pm**

I noticed that in a highlights package I watched this morning

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:50 pm**

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:12 am
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:08 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:12 pm Fully deserved, glad they won and that England's excruciating anti-rugby didn't carry them through at all. I'm sick of Eddie's arrogant "no-one else understands rugby" bullshit and his insane devotion to certain players regardless of just how much they shit the bed. I'm off to watch trash TV
Jones is beginning to remind me of Noves mid career. When you
- build up a deserved reputation for success
- but are utterly single minded
then there is the danger of running into megalomania. Paranoia soon accompanies it as everyone else is clearly to blame for any failures.

I listened to his drivel re the Sarries players and how they'd be better because they'd played a lot of hard rugby and the rest period had done them good. Save Itoje who is an athletic freak (his errors were his usual ones of discipline), the rest of the Sarries looked like they were moving through tar mentally and physically.
I did (still do) think that Jones’s decision to start 5 Saracens players gave us the advantage. What was odd, though, was that Maitland is also a Saracen, and he looked pretty sharp. Go figure.

Agree with those saying that England and English fans have shown great dignity in defeat.

Right, I've had just about enough of this, pee off with the rest of your cheating team and take your crooked ref with you. Ahh, that's better.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:06 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:22 pm Still a twat

So much for the well publicised 'working on his tackle technique' (as a 29 year old professional player...) after almost decapitating Charlie Atkinson

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:07 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:31 pm And he didn't help Wilson at all after getting bumped. Just stood off then gingerly tried to get a boot underneath. Pathetic stuff, right after a pathetic attempt at a tackle by Daly.

It utterly bemuses me how his ref, invisibility cloak continues to function. I sarcastically said before the game "how many will Cheap Shot get away with today?" That said, I missed that one so maybe he's developing subtlety.

An aside, do Eng fans think that perhaps Eddie is so dictatorial that he's emasculated his players from any ability to think on their feet? There was zero leadership evident yesterday and that includes the latest luv in for Lions capt, Itoje.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:09 pm**

It didn't look like a cheap shot because he got bumped off pretty badly.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:14 pm**

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... standings/

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:27 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:14 pm https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... standings/

Ha, that aged well.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:32 pm**

about 30 to Ireland Wales....will be interesting to see if Wales is still stale...and Ireland well on their way to being stale

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:44 pm**

Watching the build up on BBC reminds me of a question I was asking myself yesterday, is Jonny Wilkinson actually mental

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:50 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:44 pm Watching the build up on BBC reminds me of a question I was asking myself yesterday, is Jonny Wilkinson actually mental

Not sure you quite mean that but he has certainly had issues and some demons to overcome

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:53 pm**

SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:50 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:44 pm Watching the build up on BBC reminds me of a question I was asking myself yesterday, is Jonny Wilkinson actually mental
Not sure you quite mean that but he has certainly had issues and some demons to overcome

No, definitely didn’t mean that and was aware of them. Perhaps my wording wasn’t the best, but boy does he talk some bollocks.

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