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JM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:37 pm It wasn't a tackle. It was a clean out that would've been textbook had Tompkins not dropped like a stone. There really was nothing the player did wrong and nothing he could've done differently given the information he had.

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:24 pm

ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:25 pm

C69 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:04 pm Best team won. But tbh I have never seen a head shot like that not penalised internationally
It's a new one on me. Has a TMO for a head shot been ignored before today at this RWC?

Wales and Argentina were very poor today and it was terrible rugby.

It was reviewed by the TMO and was deemed (rightly in my view) to be a rugby incident.

Argentinian went in at the right height, so perfectly legally, then Tompins height dropped suddenly, no opportunity for the Argentiian player to readjust.

It was contact with the head, with a shoulder and no arms, Tomkins head snapped back. How many tackles have we seen where the player has done nothing that wrong and still been pinged. Perfectly legal, right.

Slick wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:50 pm

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:24 pm

ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:25 pm

It was reviewed by the TMO and was deemed (rightly in my view) to be a rugby incident.

Argentinian went in at the right height, so perfectly legally, then Tompins height dropped suddenly, no opportunity for the Argentiian player to readjust.

It was contact with the head, with a shoulder and no arms, Tomkins head snapped back. How many tackles have we seen where the player has done nothing that wrong and still been pinged. Perfectly legal, right.

His head didn’t snap back, he snapped it back after the hit to try and milk it, like I say, chav Wales. Hilariously, that’s why he was forced off for the HIA

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:59 pm

Slick wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:50 pm

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:24 pm

It was contact with the head, with a shoulder and no arms, Tomkins head snapped back. How many tackles have we seen where the player has done nothing that wrong and still been pinged. Perfectly legal, right.

His head didn’t snap back, he snapped it back after the hit to try and milk it, like I say, chav Wales. Hilariously, that’s why he was forced off for the HIA

He deliberately snapped it back on purpose after the contact to try and gain an advantage, is that what you're saying?

You're just a Rugby fan in disguise, aren't you?

Slick wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:02 pm

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:59 pm

Slick wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:50 pm

His head didn’t snap back, he snapped it back after the hit to try and milk it, like I say, chav Wales. Hilariously, that’s why he was forced off for the HIA

He deliberately snapped it back on purpose after the contact to try and gain an advantage, is that what you're saying?

You're just a Rugby fan in disguise, aren't you?

For once your comprehension is bang on

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:37 pm It wasn't a tackle. It was a clean out that would've been textbook had Tompkins not dropped like a stone. There really was nothing the player did wrong and nothing he could've done differently given the information he had.

Contact to the head resulting in an HIA, can't remember ever seeing that not penalised before, although the beer may wear off soon and I'll remember.

C69 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:28 pm As a medical professional that has been involved with serious rugby injuries. If people think that is acceptable then get off your parochial stools and gtfo.
That with another ref could have been a red.
Herein is the issue with our game.

Ass holes thinking shoulder contact to the head is ok.


Gtfo

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:08 pm

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:37 pm It wasn't a tackle. It was a clean out that would've been textbook had Tompkins not dropped like a stone. There really was nothing the player did wrong and nothing he could've done differently given the information he had.

Contact to the head resulting in an HIA, can't remember ever seeing that not penalised before, although the beer may wear off soon and I'll remember.

I've seen it before. Not every head contact is considered foul play. There is a structure to these things and they followed it.

The HIA was passed.

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:18 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:08 pm

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:44 pm

Contact to the head resulting in an HIA, can't remember ever seeing that not penalised before, although the beer may wear off soon and I'll remember.

I've seen it before. Not every head contact is considered foul play. There is a structure to these things and they followed it.

The HIA was passed.

So, in accordance with the laws you're saying that the player that was hit to the head wasn't in danger at all, right?

weegie01 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:10 pm

C69 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:28 pm As a medical professional that has been involved with serious rugby injuries. If people think that is acceptable then get off your parochial stools and gtfo.
That with another ref could have been a red.
Herein is the issue with our game.

Ass holes thinking shoulder contact to the head is ok.


Gtfo

No one is suggesting that head contact is not a bad thing, but that bad things can happen by accident. In this case the actions of the Argentinian did not lead to, or contribute to, the head contact. Therefore he did nor get penalised. The only way his actions could be modified to prevent the head contact was if he never went in for the clear out at all.

Penalise players whose technique, carelessness or whatever leads to head contact by all means so that players modify those behaviours. Nothing the Argentinian player did needs removed from the game, it was pure bad luck that it lead to a head contact, and so as the ref stated, head contact is not automatically a card.

weegie01 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:10 pm

C69 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:28 pm As a medical professional that has been involved with serious rugby injuries. If people think that is acceptable then get off your parochial stools and gtfo.
That with another ref could have been a red.
Herein is the issue with our game.

Ass holes thinking shoulder contact to the head is ok.


Gtfo

No one is suggesting that head contact is not a bad thing, but that bad things can happen by accident. In this case the actions of the Argentinian did not lead to, or contribute to, the head contact. Therefore he did nor get penalised. The only way his actions could be modified to prevent the head contact was if he never went in for the clear out at all.

Penalise players whose technique, carelessness or whatever leads to head contact by all means so that players modify those behaviours. Nothing the Argentinian player did needs removed from the game, it was pure bad luck that it lead to a head contact, and so as the ref stated, head contact is not automatically a card.

weegie01 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:10 pm

C69 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:28 pm As a medical professional that has been involved with serious rugby injuries. If people think that is acceptable then get off your parochial stools and gtfo.
That with another ref could have been a red.
Herein is the issue with our game.

Ass holes thinking shoulder contact to the head is ok.


Gtfo

No one is suggesting that head contact is not a bad thing, but that bad things can happen by accident. In this case the actions of the Argentinian did not lead to, or contribute to, the head contact. Therefore he did nor get penalised. The only way his actions could be modified to prevent the head contact was if he never went in for the clear out at all.

Penalise players whose technique, carelessness or whatever leads to head contact by all means so that players modify those behaviours. Nothing the Argentinian player did needs removed from the game, it was pure bad luck that it lead to a head contact, and so as the ref stated, head contact is not automatically a card.

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:24 pmWith Rugby as it is, we'll see the same thing happen to all teams eventually. Without a doubt you'll feel as aggrieved at some point in the future. So be it.

weegie01 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:00 pm

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:24 pmWith Rugby as it is, we'll see the same thing happen to all teams eventually. Without a doubt you'll feel as aggrieved at some point in the future. So be it.

I have a son who is a referee. There are many times I have felt aggrieved, then he has explained the relevant laws and the decison making process to me. So I have learned that, to no ones real surprise, the best referees know the laws better than most, and make few mistakes. It is usually we aggrieved spectators who are wrong.

weegie01 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:00 pm

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:24 pmWith Rugby as it is, we'll see the same thing happen to all teams eventually. Without a doubt you'll feel as aggrieved at some point in the future. So be it.

I have a son who is a referee. There are many times I have felt aggrieved, then he has explained the relevant laws and the decison making process to me. So I have learned that, to no ones real surprise, the best referees know the laws better than most, and make few mistakes. It is usually we aggrieved spectators who are wrong.

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:02 pm

weegie01 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:00 pm

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:24 pmWith Rugby as it is, we'll see the same thing happen to all teams eventually. Without a doubt you'll feel as aggrieved at some point in the future. So be it.

I have a son who is a referee. There are many times I have felt aggrieved, then he has explained the relevant laws and the decison making process to me. So I have learned that, to no ones real surprise, the best referees know the laws better than most, and make few mistakes. It is usually we aggrieved spectators who are wrong.

The TMO called it back, there was shoulder on head contact with the mitigation being his position went down by about 3 inches. 3 inches. They got this one wrong. It happens.

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:02 pm

weegie01 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:00 pm

David in Gwent wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:24 pmWith Rugby as it is, we'll see the same thing happen to all teams eventually. Without a doubt you'll feel as aggrieved at some point in the future. So be it.

I have a son who is a referee. There are many times I have felt aggrieved, then he has explained the relevant laws and the decison making process to me. So I have learned that, to no ones real surprise, the best referees know the laws better than most, and make few mistakes. It is usually we aggrieved spectators who are wrong.

The TMO called it back, there was shoulder on head contact with the mitigation being his position went down by about 3 inches. 3 inches. They got this one wrong. It happens.

The focus must be on the actions of those involved, not the injury - the need for an HIA does not necessarily mean that there has been illegal head contact.

TB63 wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:47 pmPuma's by 10.

Line6 HXFX wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:15 am Wales lost that match before they took the field, because they were satisfied in losing it. They were convincedby everyone they overachieved.
That the Welsh supporters would be satisfied and proud with what they have done. There wasn't really any pressure to go further.
Their heads weren't properely in it.
It was so predictable, I predicted we would run out of fit players during the world cup 9 months ago, when Gatland took over.
We couldn't gather the restart and we couldn't win the lineout in the opposition 22. Its a frustrating to know you are going to do poorly because some technical aspect of the game, that can be ironed out in training.. keeps going wrong.
Dewi Lake and Domachowski did nothing but fuck up everytime they both put a Wales shirt on, during the world cup.

We have some great players but we had a scary amount of players with zero potential, just there to bulk up the team.

Room meat.

Anyway the nightmare is over now.

dpedin wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:14 am

Line6 HXFX wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:15 am Wales lost that match before they took the field, because they were satisfied in losing it. They were convincedby everyone they overachieved.
That the Welsh supporters would be satisfied and proud with what they have done. There wasn't really any pressure to go further.
Their heads weren't properely in it.
It was so predictable, I predicted we would run out of fit players during the world cup 9 months ago, when Gatland took over.
We couldn't gather the restart and we couldn't win the lineout in the opposition 22. Its a frustrating to know you are going to do poorly because some technical aspect of the game, that can be ironed out in training.. keeps going wrong.
Dewi Lake and Domachowski did nothing but fuck up everytime they both put a Wales shirt on, during the world cup.

We have some great players but we had a scary amount of players with zero potential, just there to bulk up the team.

Room meat.

Anyway the nightmare is over now.

Wales dont have a plan B and once their game plan fails then they have no where to go. Basically just one pass out, go through 2-3 phases then kick and chase and hope for a mistake. However Argies were pretty solid under high ball, Bofelli was immense, and they returned kicks that were better than the Welsh ones. Once Wales had to play rugby to try and win the game then the lack of ball players from 10-12-13 meant they couldn't get their danger men into game with enough space. Dyer did make a difference when he came on but by then it was too late. For me losing Anscome was the biggest problem for Wales, he is a real rugby player and could have made a difference at 10 but, like Sexton with Ireland, Bigger is too slow now and was a one trick pony and Costelow isn't anywhere good enough at 10.

TB63 wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:23 am Best to bow out now, regroup, lick our wounds, than scrape through only to receive an absolute arse reaming off the ABs..

C69 wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:01 am

TB63 wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:23 am Best to bow out now, regroup, lick our wounds, than scrape through only to receive an absolute arse reaming off the ABs..

Yip the Argies are going to be their Private Dancer.

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:22 am Did Wales do better than what was expected of them? There were a couple of unexpected things in that pool, one was how bad Australia were and the other was Fiji qualifying.

Wales were favourites to get out the group before a ball was kicked, I don’t think many would have put a lot of money on Georgia or Portugal to get out the group.

C69 wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:01 am

TB63 wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:23 am Best to bow out now, regroup, lick our wounds, than scrape through only to receive an absolute arse reaming off the ABs..

Yip the Argies are going to be their Private Dancer.

C69 wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:06 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:22 am Did Wales do better than what was expected of them? There were a couple of unexpected things in that pool, one was how bad Australia were and the other was Fiji qualifying.

Wales were favourites to get out the group before a ball was kicked, I don’t think many would have put a lot of money on Georgia or Portugal to get out the group.

They did better than I expected.