NPR

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:32 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:30 am

weegie01 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:23 pm

I understand what he is saying, but I also think there is a little bit of unconscious belittling going on.

Celebrating winning a single game as if it were a fantastic achievement is not a good look. Unless winning a game is something you rarely do, in which case it is. See italy against Wales two years ago.

Winning a single game in Wales is no big deal. Unless it is something that has not been achieved for decades.

If someone plays for a team whose currency is championships and Grand Slams, merely winning a game is nothing to celebrate. For a less successful team it is much more important, especially if it is something that is in itself a rare achievement.

Scotland players celebrating things other teams take for granted is not necessarily a bad thing where such success is rare for them. However I do think there is an element of breaking some hoodoo or other, then resting on their laurels rather than using that as a platform to kick on from.

Scotland should be well, well beyond celebrating one off wins by now. Wales got past this far more quickly in the mid 2000s, and the difference in results speaks for itself

Maybe when we win more we’ll be beyond celebrating one off wins. The team don’t expect to beat anyone in the 6N or big three from the SH.

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:41 am Tbf the Italians won the game 2 years ago after scoring the match winning try at the end, with the conversion needed to win it (I think), while this year they conceded a try at the very end.

So at least in my head, the tempered celebrations this year makes sense given the different contexts.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:36 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:32 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:30 am

Scotland should be well, well beyond celebrating one off wins by now. Wales got past this far more quickly in the mid 2000s, and the difference in results speaks for itself

Maybe when we win more we’ll be beyond celebrating one off wins. The team don’t expect to beat anyone in the 6N or big three from the SH.

Which is why I cannot fathom how Townsend keeps his job. Scotland have a limited window with a very talented side and he’s wasting it.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:45 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:36 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:32 am

Maybe when we win more we’ll be beyond celebrating one off wins. The team don’t expect to beat anyone in the 6N or big three from the SH.

Which is why I cannot fathom how Townsend keeps his job. Scotland have a limited window with a very talented side and he’s wasting it.

Because, although we haven't won anything in terms of championships, he still has the best win % of any Scotland coach ever, we have a team that we think can beat anyone on their day, and we are playing a style of rugby that we love and has earnt the respect of teams and supporters around the world. The team has won in Cardiff, Twickenham and Paris after years of not doing so.

We have won 3 GS in 150 years and I think older supporters have a bit of perspective on what we are doing, this is a golden era for us. It's fucking frustrating as I think we are good enough to win championships, but we also know that shortly we are going to have a decade of being utterly shite again.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:45 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:36 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:32 am

Maybe when we win more we’ll be beyond celebrating one off wins. The team don’t expect to beat anyone in the 6N or big three from the SH.

Which is why I cannot fathom how Townsend keeps his job. Scotland have a limited window with a very talented side and he’s wasting it.

Because, although we haven't won anything in terms of championships, he still has the best win % of any Scotland coach ever, we have a team that we think can beat anyone on their day, and we are playing a style of rugby that we love and has earnt the respect of teams and supporters around the world. The team has won in Cardiff, Twickenham and Paris after years of not doing so.

We have won 3 GS in 150 years and I think older supporters have a bit of perspective on what we are doing, this is a golden era for us. It's fucking frustrating as I think we are good enough to win championships, but we also know that shortly we are going to have a decade of being utterly shite again.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:55 pm And maybe he has got them playing beyond their talents (I don't think so) but we'll not know until we try someone else. It's been 7 years of false dawns.


Oh and congrats Ireland.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:53 pm Hes also the only coach not to have progressed past the group stages in the WC. I'd have binned him years ago.

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 5:42 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:53 pm Hes also the only coach not to have progressed past the group stages in the WC. I'd have binned him years ago.

Where are the next generation of Scots coaches currently learning their trade?

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 5:42 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:53 pm Hes also the only coach not to have progressed past the group stages in the WC. I'd have binned him years ago.

Where are the next generation of Scots coaches currently learning their trade?

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:03 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 5:42 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:53 pm Hes also the only coach not to have progressed past the group stages in the WC. I'd have binned him years ago.

Where are the next generation of Scots coaches currently learning their trade?

The Highlanders

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:10 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:03 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 5:42 pm
Where are the next generation of Scots coaches currently learning their trade?

The Highlanders

cough, 'Canes, cough

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:01 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:55 pm And maybe he has got them playing beyond their talents (I don't think so) but we'll not know until we try someone else. It's been 7 years of false dawns.


Oh and congrats Ireland.

I think our talents are overrated. I think Hogg, Finn, Huw Jones, Sione and possibly Vdm would be at home in any team in the 6N, but which of our forwards in that period would get anywhere near another team?

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:27 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:01 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:55 pm And maybe he has got them playing beyond their talents (I don't think so) but we'll not know until we try someone else. It's been 7 years of false dawns.


Oh and congrats Ireland.

I think our talents are overrated. I think Hogg, Finn, Huw Jones, Sione and possibly Vdm would be at home in any team in the 6N, but which of our forwards in that period would get anywhere near another team?

This is the great irony. We used to have decent forwards and hopeless backs. We now have a set of backs as good as we’ve ever had, but disappointing forwards. It’s not that they aren’t good players individually, but they have no mental toughness when the chips are down, and we don’t have a single properly hard gnarly bastard among them.