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Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:41 pm I was trying to see if I could identify the pattern Foster was wanting the team to play but couldn't for the fuck of me see anything even close to resembling a pattern of play.

No idea either.

They'd try to go up the middle a couple of times, fail to get over advantage line, almost get turned over cos' the easter island fucking statues that are our props couldnt be arsed hurting anyone, then get gunshy about trying that again and resort to just chucking it around hot potato with no one wanting to straighten the attack.

Fucking pathetic.

People saying "oh well, 10 straight, the boys did well enough" can get fucked. Getting physically dominated 2 weeks straight by the Boks and getting dragged away from dictating the style of play sows the seeds for accepting a prison bumming from Bongo and the boys

They were playing well end of first half.

Fosters half time talk put paid to that.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:34 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:53 pm Have to defend Fozzie here, the Boks were very smart and the officials were complete shit. It's a rite of passage for new All Blacks coaches to lose ugly to them, not the end of the road. This has been a much better sophomore year than I expected, so far. Glass half full, imho.

I guess we won more than 50% if you mean glass half full.

Perhaps your expectations are a little low though.

Well, this is the FOSTER OUT thread. Low expectations are part of the furniture.

Boks exposed us up front. Beginning to think we really need a PLUMTREE OUT thread...

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:09 pm Boks exposed us up front. Beginning to think we really need a PLUMTREE OUT thread...

Problem is it's been happening since 2017.

In 19 semi we thought it was because of no Cane, an underdone BBBR and over cooked Whitelock.

Last year against Argentina it was because Argentina were just so fired up.

The last two weeks the forward pack has just looked genuinely soft. I can't see that changing until some of the younger props and locks step up

Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:02 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:09 pm Boks exposed us up front. Beginning to think we really need a PLUMTREE OUT thread...

Problem is it's been happening since 2017.

In 19 semi we thought it was because of no Cane, an underdone BBBR and over cooked Whitelock.

Last year against Argentina it was because Argentina were just so fired up.

The last two weeks the forward pack has just looked genuinely soft. I can't see that changing until some of the younger props and locks step up

Yep, and I can't understand why de Groot hasn't played a single minute of test footy since the Fiji games in July. Keen to see Tamaiti Williams in the set-up, too. And why have we continued to pick the perennial under-performer Tuipulotu at the expense of exciting young locks like Vaa'i and BBPPP?

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:31 pm

Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:02 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:09 pm Boks exposed us up front. Beginning to think we really need a PLUMTREE OUT thread...

Problem is it's been happening since 2017.

In 19 semi we thought it was because of no Cane, an underdone BBBR and over cooked Whitelock.

Last year against Argentina it was because Argentina were just so fired up.

The last two weeks the forward pack has just looked genuinely soft. I can't see that changing until some of the younger props and locks step up

Yep, and I can't understand why de Groot hasn't played a single minute of test footy since the Fiji games in July. Keen to see Tamaiti Williams in the set-up, too. And why have we continued to pick the perennial under-performer Tuipulotu at the expense of exciting young locks like Vaa'i and BBPPP?

Is it the players though or the coaching? is it technique or tactics? Are we being outmuscled at the breakdown or outsmarted? Or both?

Foster has 2 years to sort it out or it's another semi-final (at best) exit... we need to bring the mongrel back.. across the board...

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:39 pmIs it the players though or the coaching? is it technique or tactics? Are we being outmuscled at the breakdown or outsmarted? Or both?

Foster has 2 years to sort it out or it's another semi-final (at best) exit... we need to bring the mongrel back.. across the board...

Couldn't agree more about bringing the mongrel. Very concerned about how flat Retallick looked last night. And man we're missing Sam Cane and Dane Coles.

You can't blame Foster, maybe you need to play more dull rugby. There are. to many flashy forwards in the backline.

The swan dive try from your captain fired up the likes of Etsebeth, Marx and Vermeulen.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:44 amYou can't blame Foster, maybe you need to play more dull rugby. There are. to many flashy forwards in the backline.

Well Foster's the one who keeps picking 'em and coming up with the game plan, so yes, we can blame him. And Plumtree. And McLeod. And Moar. And Fox.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:44 am You can't blame Foster, maybe you need to play more dull rugby. There are. to many flashy forwards in the backline.

The swan dive try from your captain fired up the likes of Etsebeth, Marx and Vermeulen.

It fucking well fired me up too, so much that I wanted to take a fucking flame thrower to the prick (delivered in my best Al Pacino growl).

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:30 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:44 am You can't blame Foster, maybe you need to play more dull rugby. There are. to many flashy forwards in the backline.

The swan dive try from your captain fired up the likes of Etsebeth, Marx and Vermeulen.

It fucking well fired me up too, so much that I wanted to take a fucking flame thrower to the prick (delivered in my best Al Pacino growl).

Yep. It fired up Justin Marshall and Jeff Wilson as well. I was furious. It shows his mind is not 100% on the game. He's admitted since the ABs are not where they want to be, well, who is that on, Ardie?

Reckon Foster is short of two or three greats which makes life difficult for him, and makes comparisons to other AB teams unfair.

In the whole squad yesterday only Retallick (off form/distracted) and Beauden Barrett (over coached/reticent) might be considered greats of the game. One or two others might make that description eventually if they dedicate themselves.

Still, it's Foster's job to make the whole greater than the sum of the parts, so it's all on him really.

Making them the sum of the parts would be a step up from what he’s achieved.

As a Springbok supporter I hope Foster continues to pick Akira Ioane. A terrific player but a huge step down from the Jerome Kaino, Jerry Collins All Black blindside monsters. And if he's played at 8 an even bigger step down from the Read, Zinnie, Shelford type AB 8s.

He's a hot and cold freak. And will deliver you both great joy and frustration in equal measures. I associate the All Blacks with precision and consistency. I would be happy to be proved wrong but I don't see Ioane ever being able to deliver that in the long term.

All Blacks supporters need to be realistic. Just go back to the last WC and take stock of their players out of that squad.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:05 am All Blacks supporters need to be realistic. Just go back to the last WC and take stock of their players out of that squad.

I judge Foster on making the best of the sum of the parts.

The parts are there. I say that based on the trans tasman Supe against Aus.

And Aus moulded a good enough team to hump the boks.

That’s testament to Rennie pulling that together, from the earlier beatings they had suffered earlier in the season.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:22 pm Reckon this will go down as a painful but necessary lesson in the development of Foster's All Blacks.

Didn’t he have enough lessons last year??

How many extra lessons does he need?

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:29 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:05 am All Blacks supporters need to be realistic. Just go back to the last WC and take stock of their players out of that squad.

I judge Foster on making the best of the sum of the parts.

The parts are there. I say that based on the trans tasman Supe against Aus.

And Aus moulded a good enough team to hump the boks.

That’s testament to Rennie pulling that together, from the earlier beatings they had suffered earlier in the season.

To be honest we never play well in Australia, specially the last two against the Wallabies.

If you go back to the WC semi against England it have the same pattern. Itoje and their forwards dominating.

Boring forwards pattern with in your face defense.

You get this when you play running open rugby vs boring rugby on any level.

This Springbok team is an experienced well coached squad who won the WC and beat the BiLs.

The All Blacks have a lot of young players.

Give the coach time to learn from mistakes.

Oom. You played us in Aus.

Need time? He had all of last year to learn from. And the disaster that it was.

Hell, he’s been assistant coach for a decade before that to learn from.

The only thing to learn here is that the guy can not bring an AB team together.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:45 pm Oom. You played us in Aus.

Rona took away a year.

Myself think if we had a normal environment the Springbokke would have been more difficult to beat last year.

You lot are spoiled, lost with 2 points, sac the coach.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:01 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:45 pm Oom. You played us in Aus.

Rona took away a year.

Myself think if we had a normal environment the Springbokke would have been more difficult to beat last year.

You lot are spoiled, lost with 2 points, sac the coach.

This thread was not created yesterday.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:05 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:01 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:45 pm Oom. You played us in Aus.

Rona took away a year.

Myself think if we had a normal environment the Springbokke would have been more difficult to beat last year.

You lot are spoiled, lost with 2 points, sac the coach.

This thread was not created yesterday.

My mistake. Anyway should stay away from this.

Create a change.org campaign?

Someone beat us to it.

Sign it and spread it.

https://www.change.org/p/nzru-have-ian- ... acks-coach

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:33 pm Someone beat us to it.

Sign it and spread it.

https://www.change.org/p/nzru-have-ian- ... acks-coach

A futile effort, sadly. NZR will not budge.

This all feels strangely like the early 1990s, when Laurie Mains bumbled and stumbled his way through his first 3 years in charge...and France were playing sublime attacking rugby.

Wayne Smith fell on his sword. But was ironically when he came back was the best assistant coach we’ve ever had. This is not how this would or could pan out.

Foster won’t do the honourable thing and fall on his sword. For one, he’d bloody trip and just clean miss it even if he tried. And only manage to put a giant whole in the ship.

We had him for 8 or 9 years with a 50% win record. He doesn't budge easily.

Here are the excuses.
It’s not nice finishing with a loss
As last week, let a team impose themselves at the start.
But really liked how we came back.
Covid. Too much too little rugby for some. 15 tests.
Compared with Aus / SA

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:42 am

Here are the excuses.
It’s not nice finishing with a loss
Let a team dominate at the start.
Covid. Too much too little rugby for some. 15 tests.
Compared with Aus / SA

Not to forget the red-hot environment.

He sums up the season by looking at
3 losses compared to SA and 5 and Aus 7 losses. And with a bigger squad he thinks we are making some real progress !!!!

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:51 am He sums up the season by looking at
3 losses compared to SA and 5 and Aus 7 losses. And with a bigger squad he thinks we are making some real progress !!!!

A total fucking muppet.

“There’s a significant amount of pressure that goes with your position, but with 2 consecutive defeats are you feeling that even more in your role ?”

“Ah No. No, like I’ve just said if you look at the overall year and you look at what we’ve achieved. When you look at the context of that and you look at the growth, quite significant growth from last year. We’ve got a whole bunch of players that have been here for the first time, first time in 3 years. Collectively I really believe in the group that we're doing, what we’ve got at the moment.”

What the Fuck is that dribbling incoherent response

“Before we got to the last two tests was delighted with the progress. But … mental fatigue … when reflect on whole year … yep I’m very satisfied with the progress”

“Said to the boys, a lot of good teams who have lost more than we have”

And there you have it

He thinks they can hold their head up high.

Interested which selections the AB fans think have been clearly wrong.

From the outside, tactically NZ don't appear to have changed and maybe you are having a slight lull in player depth? The long standing tactic of being happy to play without the ball whilst being lethal on counter becomes harder when the oppos beat you up to the extent you don't see enough ball. You become Japan**. Fra almost allowed you enough latitude last night to come back on counters: who knows what would have happened if Penaud had not made that intercept........ looked like a 3 or 4 on 1 to me and thus a 14 point swing! I feel that Ire really dominated whereas Fra had better firepower than Ire. It's not just the breakdown for me (although that's a big deal): at the moment, you don't appear to have enough offensive tacklers or jacklers across the park period.

**In contrast to SA who have all the fwd power but choose to play no rugby at all.

Foster has turned the All Blacks in to far less than the sum of the parts.

This is obviously notable when you look at what Super Rugby NZ was producing in terms of players, cohesion, outrageous precision, and dominance.

Can't be doing with all this chopping and changing. Give him a couple more years.

PCPhil wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:43 am Can't be doing with all this chopping and changing. Give him a couple more years.

I’m starting to think you are actually Satan.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:35 am Foster has turned the All Blacks in to far less than the sum of the parts.

This is obviously notable when you look at what Super Rugby NZ was producing in terms of players, cohesion, outrageous precision, and dominance.

Not disagreeing but might need some moderation due to your opposition. Aus Soup is down the toilet and SA sides have struggled against the might of Wales and Italy in the Pro 14.

FWIW though, watching the likes of the Magpies and you do have to think there is something wrong at AB level.