He should be doing better behind such a good pack . [except at lineout time]Western Province coach John Dobson said the absence of the 23-year-old from the team for their Currie Cup Round Two encounter with the Lions, in Johannesburg on Saturday, is part of a pre-planned rotation process.
Jantjies’ lack of form – throughout the Super Rugby Unlocked and Currie Cup sections of the season – has been an explosive and ferocious debate.
However, it certainly did not cost him his pace in the team.
“We have three really similar scrumhalves – in terms of our game model – in Herschel [Jantjies], Godlen [Masimla] and Paul [de Wet],” Dobson told a virtual media briefing on Wednesday.
“I am acutely aware we haven’t been giving enough rugby to the latter two.”
He said the decision to play Masimla (as a started) and De Wet (off the bench) was “pre-planned, two weeks ago”.
“Paul [de Wet] and Herschel [Jantjies] will play next week [in a Round Three match against the Pumas at Newlands].
“This rotation was result agnostic.
“We couldn’t go back on it just because we didn’t get the result we wanted against the Bulls [last week]”
Dobson also spoke about the decision to move named Damian Willemse to fullback in place of the injured Warrick Gelant, with Tim Swiel starting at flyhalf where he will form an all-new halfback combination with Masimla.
The Province coach added that the starting halfback combination of Swiel and Masimla are familiar with each other – having played together for the last two-and-a-half seasons in the Under-21 a domestic cup competitions – and said the ‘rotation’ policy will not harm the team.
“Warrick [Gelant] won’t be back for a long time [six to nine months], so Tim [Swiel] has an opportunity to have a run at No.10 for a while.”
He added that he also needs to give his back-up scrumhalves a good run, should Jantjies suffer a serious injury somewhere down the line.
“The injury to Warrick [Gelant] is a blow to us,”Dobson said, adding: “He will be sidelined for about six months – maybe a big longer, but hopefully only six months.
“The next fullback in the group is Tristan Leyds. [However,] he is still in a development phase.
“Damian [Willemse] has played Test rugby at No.15. It [fullback] is not new for him.
“Tim Swiel has done really well when he has come on for us this season.
“He is a really good game manager.
“Ruhan Nel has been our top No.13 and coming back from a long-term injury. He came off the bench [last week in the loss to the Bulls] and this week he starts.
“Dan du Plessis and Rikus Pretorius took knocks [in the 20-22 loss to the Bulls] last week.
“Rikus is the more bruised of the two and we will rotate those guys over the next two weeks.
“Dan moves to No.12. He did a good job at No.13, but he really is a natural No.12.”
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REACTION: World Cup-winning Springbok scrumhalf Herschel Jantjies has not been axed because of poor form.
Not a word about Kade.Chilli wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:31 pm REACTION: World Cup-winning Springbok scrumhalf Herschel Jantjies has not been axed because of poor form.
He should be doing better behind such a good pack . [except at lineout time]Western Province coach John Dobson said the absence of the 23-year-old from the team for their Currie Cup Round Two encounter with the Lions, in Johannesburg on Saturday, is part of a pre-planned rotation process.
Jantjies’ lack of form – throughout the Super Rugby Unlocked and Currie Cup sections of the season – has been an explosive and ferocious debate.
However, it certainly did not cost him his pace in the team.
“We have three really similar scrumhalves – in terms of our game model – in Herschel [Jantjies], Godlen [Masimla] and Paul [de Wet],” Dobson told a virtual media briefing on Wednesday.
“I am acutely aware we haven’t been giving enough rugby to the latter two.”
He said the decision to play Masimla (as a started) and De Wet (off the bench) was “pre-planned, two weeks ago”.
“Paul [de Wet] and Herschel [Jantjies] will play next week [in a Round Three match against the Pumas at Newlands].
“This rotation was result agnostic.
“We couldn’t go back on it just because we didn’t get the result we wanted against the Bulls [last week]”
Dobson also spoke about the decision to move named Damian Willemse to fullback in place of the injured Warrick Gelant, with Tim Swiel starting at flyhalf where he will form an all-new halfback combination with Masimla.
The Province coach added that the starting halfback combination of Swiel and Masimla are familiar with each other – having played together for the last two-and-a-half seasons in the Under-21 a domestic cup competitions – and said the ‘rotation’ policy will not harm the team.
“Warrick [Gelant] won’t be back for a long time [six to nine months], so Tim [Swiel] has an opportunity to have a run at No.10 for a while.”
He added that he also needs to give his back-up scrumhalves a good run, should Jantjies suffer a serious injury somewhere down the line.
“The injury to Warrick [Gelant] is a blow to us,”Dobson said, adding: “He will be sidelined for about six months – maybe a big longer, but hopefully only six months.
“The next fullback in the group is Tristan Leyds. [However,] he is still in a development phase.
“Damian [Willemse] has played Test rugby at No.15. It [fullback] is not new for him.
“Tim Swiel has done really well when he has come on for us this season.
“He is a really good game manager.
“Ruhan Nel has been our top No.13 and coming back from a long-term injury. He came off the bench [last week in the loss to the Bulls] and this week he starts.
“Dan du Plessis and Rikus Pretorius took knocks [in the 20-22 loss to the Bulls] last week.
“Rikus is the more bruised of the two and we will rotate those guys over the next two weeks.
“Dan moves to No.12. He did a good job at No.13, but he really is a natural No.12.”
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Kade is on the bench...it seems like Dobson will only play him if forced to do so. It's completely bonkers that he refuses to give the kid an opportunity. Its as though he is being forced to sit on the sidelines. There are a few unions that would gladly give the lad an opportunity.
One wonders if Dobson is deliberately keeping the kid away. Could it possibly be on instruction from the WP collective or from higher above.
By the same token Willemse has 8 years of opportunity
One wonders if Dobson is deliberately keeping the kid away. Could it possibly be on instruction from the WP collective or from higher above.
By the same token Willemse has 8 years of opportunity
Is he the real deal?Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:15 pmNot a word about Kade.Chilli wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:31 pm REACTION: World Cup-winning Springbok scrumhalf Herschel Jantjies has not been axed because of poor form.
He should be doing better behind such a good pack . [except at lineout time]Western Province coach John Dobson said the absence of the 23-year-old from the team for their Currie Cup Round Two encounter with the Lions, in Johannesburg on Saturday, is part of a pre-planned rotation process.
Jantjies’ lack of form – throughout the Super Rugby Unlocked and Currie Cup sections of the season – has been an explosive and ferocious debate.
However, it certainly did not cost him his pace in the team.
“We have three really similar scrumhalves – in terms of our game model – in Herschel [Jantjies], Godlen [Masimla] and Paul [de Wet],” Dobson told a virtual media briefing on Wednesday.
“I am acutely aware we haven’t been giving enough rugby to the latter two.”
He said the decision to play Masimla (as a started) and De Wet (off the bench) was “pre-planned, two weeks ago”.
“Paul [de Wet] and Herschel [Jantjies] will play next week [in a Round Three match against the Pumas at Newlands].
“This rotation was result agnostic.
“We couldn’t go back on it just because we didn’t get the result we wanted against the Bulls [last week]”
Dobson also spoke about the decision to move named Damian Willemse to fullback in place of the injured Warrick Gelant, with Tim Swiel starting at flyhalf where he will form an all-new halfback combination with Masimla.
The Province coach added that the starting halfback combination of Swiel and Masimla are familiar with each other – having played together for the last two-and-a-half seasons in the Under-21 a domestic cup competitions – and said the ‘rotation’ policy will not harm the team.
“Warrick [Gelant] won’t be back for a long time [six to nine months], so Tim [Swiel] has an opportunity to have a run at No.10 for a while.”
He added that he also needs to give his back-up scrumhalves a good run, should Jantjies suffer a serious injury somewhere down the line.
“The injury to Warrick [Gelant] is a blow to us,”Dobson said, adding: “He will be sidelined for about six months – maybe a big longer, but hopefully only six months.
“The next fullback in the group is Tristan Leyds. [However,] he is still in a development phase.
“Damian [Willemse] has played Test rugby at No.15. It [fullback] is not new for him.
“Tim Swiel has done really well when he has come on for us this season.
“He is a really good game manager.
“Ruhan Nel has been our top No.13 and coming back from a long-term injury. He came off the bench [last week in the loss to the Bulls] and this week he starts.
“Dan du Plessis and Rikus Pretorius took knocks [in the 20-22 loss to the Bulls] last week.
“Rikus is the more bruised of the two and we will rotate those guys over the next two weeks.
“Dan moves to No.12. He did a good job at No.13, but he really is a natural No.12.”
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Dobson want WP to lose a few with his Bishops soutpiel 10 before force to bring in Wolhuter.
Will he even chance it by starting Quade?OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:30 am Dobson want WP to lose a few with his Bishops soutpiel 10 before force to bring in Wolhuter.
He should against the weaker teams like the Kwas, Pi.as and Sharks.
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Nah SoutPiel is now the starting 10. I'll be happy if Kade make the bench, can cover 10,12 & 15 but look like he want to play the other Leyds in 15 now. Also a Bishopper.Chilli wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:13 amWill he even chance it by starting Quade?OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:30 am Dobson want WP to lose a few with his Bishops soutpiel 10 before force to bring in Wolhuter.
He should against the weaker teams like the Kwas, Pi.as and Sharks.
Bulls – 15 Kurt-Lee Arendse, 14 David Kriel, 13 Stedman Gans, 12 Cornal Hendricks, 11 Marco Jansen van Vuren, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Embrose Papier, 8 Duane Vermeulen (c), 7 Arno Botha, 6 Marco van Staden, 5 Walt Steenkamp, 4 Sintu Manjezi, 3 Marcel van der Merwe, 2 Johan Grobbelaar, 1 Gerhard Steenekamp.
Subs: 16 Corniel Els, 17 Jan-Hendrik Wessels, 18 Trevor Nyakane, 19 Ruan Nortje, 20 Nizaam Carr, 21 Ivan van Zyl, 22 Chris Smith, 23 Marnus Potgieter.
Subs: 16 Corniel Els, 17 Jan-Hendrik Wessels, 18 Trevor Nyakane, 19 Ruan Nortje, 20 Nizaam Carr, 21 Ivan van Zyl, 22 Chris Smith, 23 Marnus Potgieter.
Cheetahs to play the Bulls – 15 Clayton Blommetjies, 14 Rhyno Smith, 13 Howard Mnisi, 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Rosko Specman, 10 Tian Schoeman, 9 Tian Meyer, 8 Jeandre Rudolph, 7 Victor Sekekete, 6 Andisa Ntsila, 5 Carl Wegner, 4 Ian Groenewald, 3 Kutha Mchunu, 2 Reinach Venter, 1 Boan Venter.
Subs: 16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Cameron Dawson, 18 Erich de Jager, 19 Chris Massyn, 20 George Cronje, 21 Ruben de Haas, 22 Reinhardt Fortuin, 23 William Small-Smith
Subs: 16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Cameron Dawson, 18 Erich de Jager, 19 Chris Massyn, 20 George Cronje, 21 Ruben de Haas, 22 Reinhardt Fortuin, 23 William Small-Smith
Lions – 15 Tiaan Swanepoel, 14 Stean Pienaar, 13 Wandisile Simelane, 12 Burger Odendaal, 11 Courtnall Skosan, 10 Elton Jantjies (c), 9 Ross Cronje, 8 Len Massyn, 7 Vincent Tshituka, 6 Jaco Kriel, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Willem Alberts, 3 Ruan Dreyer, 2 Jaco Visagie, 1 Sti Sithole.
Subs: 16 Jan-Henning Campher, 17 Dylan Smith, 18 Wiehahn Herbst, 19 Reinhard Nothnagel, 20 Wilhelm van der Sluys, 21 Roelof Smit, 22 Morne van den Berg, 23 Dan Kriel
Subs: 16 Jan-Henning Campher, 17 Dylan Smith, 18 Wiehahn Herbst, 19 Reinhard Nothnagel, 20 Wilhelm van der Sluys, 21 Roelof Smit, 22 Morne van den Berg, 23 Dan Kriel
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Pumas struggle with the right amount of quotas
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Brutes to classy for Vrystaat.
Lions by 50 next up
Lions by 50 next up
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Brutes to classy for Vrystaat.
Lions by 50 next up
Lions by 50 next up
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Marco van Staden at it again! Playing a great season so far.
Oom, I am sorry to let you know that your WP team are unlikely to be beaten by 50 points tonight.
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Kade isn't a Gimmie. Wasn't even on the bench.
Lions deserved this win. Luckily we got a bonus point.