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It certainly raises questions of their decision not to come. Having seen that from Argentina, what is it in the South African psyche that gave them so much self doubt.
Dumb post, they lacked direction and composure before they were behind. That's what happens when you have the worst coach in the history of New Zealand Rugby.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:05 am Repetition, I know BUT whenever the ABs fail, it's characterised by panic and lack of direction when behind and under pressure. And that's probably the price for being so good 99% of the time: you can't really coach how to cope with that kind of position in training.
Coach isn't responsible for players' mindsets on the field once game starts. Where was the captaincy and leadership from senior players like Whitelock?Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:07 amDumb post, they lacked direction and composure before they were behind. That's what happens when you have the worst coach in the history of New Zealand Rugby.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:05 am Repetition, I know BUT whenever the ABs fail, it's characterised by panic and lack of direction when behind and under pressure. And that's probably the price for being so good 99% of the time: you can't really coach how to cope with that kind of position in training.
Who is this ChocolateBars kid in the centre? O/S defensive showing.Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:09 am Only saw the last twenty minutes or so but Argentina looked well on top. Defence absolutely outstanding, in particular hugely physical tackling in the midfield completely disrupting the ABs attacking structure. They cut off that kiwi game plan and took their structure away. I know the knee jerk reaction from kiwi fans will be that they played badly, but Argentina made them play badly. They're not used to being knocked off their patterns so comprehensively and had no plan B other than looking to individual bits of skill.
Absolutely brilliant from the RGs, shown the rest of us how to beat them.
This reminds me most of Lemonface Mains' tumultuous and largely unsuccessful reign in the mid-90s, ie the Suzies. He's now regarded as a sage of sorts...Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:07 amDumb post, they lacked direction and composure before they were behind. That's what happens when you have the worst coach in the history of New Zealand Rugby.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:05 am Repetition, I know BUT whenever the ABs fail, it's characterised by panic and lack of direction when behind and under pressure. And that's probably the price for being so good 99% of the time: you can't really coach how to cope with that kind of position in training.
Well that does fly in the face of the numerous last minute wins pulled off by the AB's.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:05 am Repetition, I know BUT whenever the ABs fail, it's characterised by panic and lack of direction when behind and under pressure. And that's probably the price for being so good 99% of the time: you can't really coach how to cope with that kind of position in training.
Doesn't that reinforce the point i.e. when the belief (even arrogance) of invincibility is there, they pull off stuff like the Oirish heartbreak?Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:13 amWell that does fly in the face of the numerous last minute wins pulled off by the AB's.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:05 am Repetition, I know BUT whenever the ABs fail, it's characterised by panic and lack of direction when behind and under pressure. And that's probably the price for being so good 99% of the time: you can't really coach how to cope with that kind of position in training.
This wasn't panic brought on by being behind. This was a lack of basic skills that the ABs rely on throughout the game.
I don't think I'm following your point.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:17 amDoesn't that reinforce the point i.e. when the belief (even arrogance) of invincibility is there, they pull off stuff like the Oirish heartbreak?Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:13 amWell that does fly in the face of the numerous last minute wins pulled off by the AB's.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:05 am Repetition, I know BUT whenever the ABs fail, it's characterised by panic and lack of direction when behind and under pressure. And that's probably the price for being so good 99% of the time: you can't really coach how to cope with that kind of position in training.
This wasn't panic brought on by being behind. This was a lack of basic skills that the ABs rely on throughout the game.
Coincidentally, Lynagh saying the same now.
Really dumb post, Whitelock was great today. By far the best AB.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:09 amCoach isn't responsible for players' mindsets on the field once game starts. Where was the captaincy and leadership from senior players like Whitelock?Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:07 amDumb post, they lacked direction and composure before they were behind. That's what happens when you have the worst coach in the history of New Zealand Rugby.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:05 am Repetition, I know BUT whenever the ABs fail, it's characterised by panic and lack of direction when behind and under pressure. And that's probably the price for being so good 99% of the time: you can't really coach how to cope with that kind of position in training.
Steve wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:33 am Red boots and Bleach blond frosted tips are indicative of the "heads up arses" "sunshine boy" nature of this team. Perenana gurning for selfies last week with the fans after serving up 80 minutes of slop. He should have been in the sheds looking at the floor in silence.
This Allblack team is all fur coat and no knickers. I said it after the wins also, this team gets humped in Dublin, London, Paris and Johannesburg.
The dual playmaker stuff is a farce. I once thought Beauden Barrett would break Howletts try scoring record. He's completely castrated now.
Caleb Clarke had been dining out on two big runs and being hailed as the next Lomu. Bar the last minute consolation today he hadn't scored a try. Shanked a kick into touch like an amateur too for good measure after taking an unnecessary mark.
We have a load of novelty players who are icing and cherries. But we have no cake. Franks, Retallick, McCaw,Ben Smith et al. Do the core roles well and stay off fucking Instagram.
I don't remember Ben Smith dropping the ball. Every catch an AB goes up for now is ping ponging around.
NZ always had wingers who scored tries and were dangerous from distance. We look inept out wide now.
That quick tap at the end was followed by the stupidest thing I have ever seen. A short kick off to be contested by the diminutive DMAC. Pathetic.
Give me wingers on the wing , a fullback at fullback, centres at centre, a number 8 playing number 8 and if anyone bar Sam Whitelock turns up with a haircut other than short back and sides they can fuck off .
It’s a real shame the Boks aren’t out here playing this comp. one thing I know is that no matter how bad we looked against the Argies today it would be a different story against the Boks. The rivalry means everything and that means a lift in focus and intensity, two things that were desperately missing today. I reckon we thought we just had to show up today and got spanked.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:56 am The All Blacks have to many overhyped players in thPu,eir team. BB should be 10 and that Clarke laaitie is way to windgat.
Pumas was way to physical for them. Vok they can be glad that its Corvid year. Springbokke would put 50 past them. Rassie vs Foster, there is no comparison.
Pumas now favourates to win the trophe.
Our entire pack got beasted. That starts in the front row, not in the back row.Trapper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:59 am We still haven’t got our back row right. Sam Cane is not a 7. He’s a 6. Ardie is not an 8, he’s a 7. At that is the problem, I wish we had a 7 like Boshier out there stealing pill for fun,. Sotutu makes meters for fun and for me. Akira showed in his 26 minutes last week he was not out of place. Until we get that sorted we are not going to improve.
We were manshamed at the breakdown, with Matera toying with our backrow. Can't blame the front row for everything.Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:04 amOur entire pack got beasted. That starts in the front row, not in the back row.Trapper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:59 am We still haven’t got our back row right. Sam Cane is not a 7. He’s a 6. Ardie is not an 8, he’s a 7. At that is the problem, I wish we had a 7 like Boshier out there stealing pill for fun,. Sotutu makes meters for fun and for me. Akira showed in his 26 minutes last week he was not out of place. Until we get that sorted we are not going to improve.
Good to know, any suggestions, or you just leaving that here?Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:04 amOur entire pack got beasted. That starts in the front row, not in the back row.Trapper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:59 am We still haven’t got our back row right. Sam Cane is not a 7. He’s a 6. Ardie is not an 8, he’s a 7. At that is the problem, I wish we had a 7 like Boshier out there stealing pill for fun,. Sotutu makes meters for fun and for me. Akira showed in his 26 minutes last week he was not out of place. Until we get that sorted we are not going to improve.
I was keeping a keen eyes on our locks this game. Sam Whitlock was everywhere, but Patrick Tuipolotu can be seen hiding from the tight forwards standing out of line or in the backline avoiding contact at all costs. We have guys like Moody and Coles putting their bodies on there line defensively but PT acts liked a sweeper, and his ball carrying was non existent, a big body like his should always take the first hitups.Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:04 amOur entire pack got beasted. That starts in the front row, not in the back row.Trapper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:59 am We still haven’t got our back row right. Sam Cane is not a 7. He’s a 6. Ardie is not an 8, he’s a 7. At that is the problem, I wish we had a 7 like Boshier out there stealing pill for fun,. Sotutu makes meters for fun and for me. Akira showed in his 26 minutes last week he was not out of place. Until we get that sorted we are not going to improve.
Sorry, but are you seriously suggesting that starting Sotutu, Boshier and Akira Ioane is going to turn things around?Trapper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:12 amGood to know, any suggestions, or you just leaving that here?Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:04 amOur entire pack got beasted. That starts in the front row, not in the back row.Trapper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:59 am We still haven’t got our back row right. Sam Cane is not a 7. He’s a 6. Ardie is not an 8, he’s a 7. At that is the problem, I wish we had a 7 like Boshier out there stealing pill for fun,. Sotutu makes meters for fun and for me. Akira showed in his 26 minutes last week he was not out of place. Until we get that sorted we are not going to improve.
Yep, Tuipulotu's too much of a passenger for my liking. Vaa'i is now the better option to start, imho.Not_Couch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:16 amI was keeping a keen eyes on our locks this game. Sam Whitlock was everywhere, but Patrick Tuipolotu can be seen hiding from the tight forwards standing out of line or in the backline avoiding contact at all costs. We have guys like Moody and Coles putting their bodies on there line defensively but PT acts liked a sweeper, and his ball carrying was non existent, a big body like his should always take the first hitups.Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:04 amOur entire pack got beasted. That starts in the front row, not in the back row.Trapper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:59 am We still haven’t got our back row right. Sam Cane is not a 7. He’s a 6. Ardie is not an 8, he’s a 7. At that is the problem, I wish we had a 7 like Boshier out there stealing pill for fun,. Sotutu makes meters for fun and for me. Akira showed in his 26 minutes last week he was not out of place. Until we get that sorted we are not going to improve.
We miss Rettalick like crazy!
Shame he never managed to when it mattered.
Outstanding. Not seen this since the days of the Mogg live meltdowns.Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:52 amSteve wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:33 am Red boots and Bleach blond frosted tips are indicative of the "heads up arses" "sunshine boy" nature of this team. Perenana gurning for selfies last week with the fans after serving up 80 minutes of slop. He should have been in the sheds looking at the floor in silence.
This Allblack team is all fur coat and no knickers. I said it after the wins also, this team gets humped in Dublin, London, Paris and Johannesburg.
The dual playmaker stuff is a farce. I once thought Beauden Barrett would break Howletts try scoring record. He's completely castrated now.
Caleb Clarke had been dining out on two big runs and being hailed as the next Lomu. Bar the last minute consolation today he hadn't scored a try. Shanked a kick into touch like an amateur too for good measure after taking an unnecessary mark.
We have a load of novelty players who are icing and cherries. But we have no cake. Franks, Retallick, McCaw,Ben Smith et al. Do the core roles well and stay off fucking Instagram.
I don't remember Ben Smith dropping the ball. Every catch an AB goes up for now is ping ponging around.
NZ always had wingers who scored tries and were dangerous from distance. We look inept out wide now.
That quick tap at the end was followed by the stupidest thing I have ever seen. A short kick off to be contested by the diminutive DMAC. Pathetic.
Give me wingers on the wing , a fullback at fullback, centres at centre, a number 8 playing number 8 and if anyone bar Sam Whitelock turns up with a haircut other than short back and sides they can fuck off .