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ROG will use that, performance, to beat the players for the next week, & give them the kick up the arse they need ..... which is a pity, because I'd hoped they'd sleepwalk into the next few games & get beaten as a resultsockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:15 pmHard to disagree, although La Rochelle will need to up their game having nearly been turned over by Gloucester of all teams.
Some excellent points there. You should bait Torq more often.SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:52 pmYepTorquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:42 pmDepends how you define crisis.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:01 pm With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
- Your national side is the worst performing in the world relative to resources.
- You don't have a single player who would make a world 2nd XV best, let alone the 1st.
- Your Ux performances don't suggest much is coming through to alter that.
- 2 of your clubs have folded, one of them arguably your one with the best history in Europe.
- Serious questions over the long term viability of many of the others.
- Your 2nd tier offers nothing to replace them.
- Your attendances wouldn't trouble the 2nd division of football.
Twat, utter twat
Don't disagree with a lot of them to be honestUncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:11 amSome excellent points there. You should bait Torq more often.SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:52 pmYepTorquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:42 pm
Depends how you define crisis.
- Your national side is the worst performing in the world relative to resources.
- You don't have a single player who would make a world 2nd XV best, let alone the 1st.
- Your Ux performances don't suggest much is coming through to alter that.
- 2 of your clubs have folded, one of them arguably your one with the best history in Europe.
- Serious questions over the long term viability of many of the others.
- Your 2nd tier offers nothing to replace them.
- Your attendances wouldn't trouble the 2nd division of football.
Twat, utter twat
Finally you admit it.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.
I am not that confident about the Stormers. Will be a bonus if they beat Exeter Chiefs.
Yeah, Exeter stormers could be really tightOomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:58 amI am not that confident about the Stormers. Will be a bonus if they beat Exeter Chiefs.
I am with Sards. Will be massive for SA Rugby if the $hark$ knock out Toulouse. its like a mini Bok vs France WC knockout game.
Anyone who was involved in taking to that an an approach to express anger at Brace should be ashamed.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.
We certainly deserve abuse via our dad's memorial page.
Best thing it's 16 max , 8 minimum clear skies so it will beg for running rugby. Big ask to knock over Toulouse and then Leinster. Away. Stormers have a very easy route. It's about which side of the draw you were placed. Not about positioningOomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:58 amI am not that confident about the Stormers. Will be a bonus if they beat Exeter Chiefs.
I am with Sards. Will be massive for SA Rugby if the $hark$ knock out Toulouse. its like a mini Bok vs France WC knockout game.
If the Stormers play their running game they should be fine. Once the kicking start I get pissed off. They have that tendency playing up north. Their defense have been excellent all year.Simian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:01 amYeah, Exeter stormers could be really tightOomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:58 amI am not that confident about the Stormers. Will be a bonus if they beat Exeter Chiefs.
I am with Sards. Will be massive for SA Rugby if the $hark$ knock out Toulouse. its like a mini Bok vs France WC knockout game.
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:02 amAnyone who was involved in taking to that an an approach to express anger at Brace should be ashamed.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.
We certainly deserve abuse via our dad's memorial page.
As an aside, I don't understand why anybody exposes himself to meejuh like Tw*tter, let alone anyone in a public profile. You know exactly what you are going to get and the higher the profile, the more the extremists and nutterss.
I didn't see most of the game but by all accounts the red was yet another dismal decision by Brace against a Fre team.
Cheers for the persistent malware bro. Laptop is fucked today.
I thought it was a reasonable decision. Since the 'level of force/degree of danger' mitigations came in we've seen refs give a lot of yellows for incidents that really should have been reds and were reds 18 months ago. The problem for Brace here is other officials not wanting to issue reds rather than his being harsh.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:02 amAnyone who was involved in taking to that an an approach to express anger at Brace should be ashamed.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.
We certainly deserve abuse via our dad's memorial page.
As an aside, I don't understand why anybody exposes himself to meejuh like Tw*tter, let alone anyone in a public profile. You know exactly what you are going to get and the higher the profile, the more the extremists and nutterss.
I didn't see most of the game but by all accounts the red was yet another dismal decision by Brace against a Fre team.
Never go near vipbox. If you use fbstream
I've not found a clip yet. It just seemed to give rise to a lot of thissockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:47 amI thought it was a reasonable decision. Since the 'level of force/degree of danger' mitigations came in we've seen refs give a lot of yellows for incidents that really should have been reds and were reds 18 months ago. The problem for Brace here is other officials not wanting to issue reds rather than his being harsh.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:02 amAnyone who was involved in taking to that an an approach to express anger at Brace should be ashamed.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.
We certainly deserve abuse via our dad's memorial page.
As an aside, I don't understand why anybody exposes himself to meejuh like Tw*tter, let alone anyone in a public profile. You know exactly what you are going to get and the higher the profile, the more the extremists and nutterss.
I didn't see most of the game but by all accounts the red was yet another dismal decision by Brace against a Fre team.
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 10:01 amI've not found a clip yet. It just seemed to give rise to a lot of thissockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:47 amI thought it was a reasonable decision. Since the 'level of force/degree of danger' mitigations came in we've seen refs give a lot of yellows for incidents that really should have been reds and were reds 18 months ago. The problem for Brace here is other officials not wanting to issue reds rather than his being harsh.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:02 am
Anyone who was involved in taking to that an an approach to express anger at Brace should be ashamed.
As an aside, I don't understand why anybody exposes himself to meejuh like Tw*tter, let alone anyone in a public profile. You know exactly what you are going to get and the higher the profile, the more the extremists and nutterss.
I didn't see most of the game but by all accounts the red was yet another dismal decision by Brace against a Fre team.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/watch- ... 00662.html?
with even Baxter (who is one of the fairest guys out there) saying he thought it was harsh.
A couple of ironies
- I probably dislike MH more than I dislike Brace and so his efforts have not caused me to lose any sleep on this one
- I skipped the game because MH are rugby-cancer and Chiefs haven't been much better on the eye this season and yet it appears to have been something of a cracker!
Didn't see the game but confidently making statements about incidents that happened in that game...Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:02 amAnyone who was involved in taking to that an an approach to express anger at Brace should be ashamed.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.
We certainly deserve abuse via our dad's memorial page.
As an aside, I don't understand why anybody exposes himself to meejuh like Tw*tter, let alone anyone in a public profile. You know exactly what you are going to get and the higher the profile, the more the extremists and nutterss.
I didn't see most of the game but by all accounts the red was yet another dismal decision by Brace against a Fre team.
Incident is singular. As in brain cell.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 10:59 amDidn't see the game but confidently making statements about incidents that happened in that game...Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:02 amAnyone who was involved in taking to that an an approach to express anger at Brace should be ashamed.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.
We certainly deserve abuse via our dad's memorial page.
As an aside, I don't understand why anybody exposes himself to meejuh like Tw*tter, let alone anyone in a public profile. You know exactly what you are going to get and the higher the profile, the more the extremists and nutterss.
I didn't see most of the game but by all accounts the red was yet another dismal decision by Brace against a Fre team.
Thanks for posting time stamped link.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 10:31 am
Despite Mercer's protestations over the ref mic that he bent his knees, that didn't change his height appreciably and he was hitting up with his shoulder, so not a passive tackle, which made contact with Tshiunza's head. I don't really see what mitigation there is to make it anything other than a red. Pretty much exactly what Brace says.
I don't place much stock in what head coaches/DORs say around these cards tbh. They're a big part of the reason we're still seeing so many.
Cracker might be overdoing it, but it was certainly very compelling and tightly fought.
The one upside of it for me
What's the clear mitigation?
Dunno about ‘clear’, but I’d have thought this part of the mitigation considerations would have warranted some discussion: “late change in dynamics due to another player in the contact”. Probably this one too: An effort to wrap / bind and having no time to adjust.
As someone whose instinct was that it was yellow I'm finding it hard to find any real mitigation beyond "it honestly didn't look that dangerous in real time", i.e. that the level of danger wasn't that high. The change in dynamics is minor - this isn't a case of a legal tackle attempt being turned into an illegal one by a big last second drop in height.Simian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:51 amDunno about ‘clear’, but I’d have thought this part of the mitigation considerations would have warranted some discussion: “late change in dynamics due to another player in the contact”. Probably this one too: An effort to wrap / bind and having no time to adjust.
Even before you get to the mitigations, I’d have thought the implied interpretation that there was a high degree of danger would have been debatable.
We’ve seen similar reds get downgraded in the premiership (Hislop’s one, for example) so I’ll be interested to see what happens next.
Yeah, I’m thinking along the same lines as you, I reckon (tho if it wasn’t high degree of danger that would mean it was a YC without any need to go to the mitigation, I think).JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:59 amAs someone whose instinct was that it was yellow I'm finding it hard to find any real mitigation beyond "it honestly didn't look that dangerous in real time", i.e. that the level of danger wasn't that high. The change in dynamics is minor - this isn't a case of a legal tackle attempt being turned into an illegal one by a big last second drop in height.Simian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:51 amDunno about ‘clear’, but I’d have thought this part of the mitigation considerations would have warranted some discussion: “late change in dynamics due to another player in the contact”. Probably this one too: An effort to wrap / bind and having no time to adjust.
Even before you get to the mitigations, I’d have thought the implied interpretation that there was a high degree of danger would have been debatable.
We’ve seen similar reds get downgraded in the premiership (Hislop’s one, for example) so I’ll be interested to see what happens next.
The time to adjust was before he went in high.
Low level of danger. He was standing still waiting to absorb the hit. The other tackler moved the position of the attacker's head into his shoulder.
Even the TV had it wrong. They show the red card for Exeter and changed it afterwards.CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 12:54 pmLow level of danger. He was standing still waiting to absorb the hit. The other tackler moved the position of the attacker's head into his shoulder.
Personally I think any opportunity to mitigate should be taken. It's why I'm in favour of the 20 min red card bin and the trial they've implemented in the SH.
His feet may have been stationary, but he was hitting forward and up. Not low level of danger imo.CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 12:54 pmLow level of danger. He was standing still waiting to absorb the hit. The other tackler moved the position of the attacker's head into his shoulder.
Personally I think any opportunity to mitigate should be taken. It's why I'm in favour of the 20 min red card bin and the trial they've implemented in the SH.
vipbox works fine with adblockers running. You have to enable javascript for two sites max usually.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:55 amNever go near vipbox. If you use fbstream
https://tm.fbstream.tv/stream/rugby
in Firefox with the correct add ons:
- ublock origin
- privacy badger
- https everywhere
it works most of the time with only the occasional reload or switch required.
vipbox won't let you load if you use any blockers and no way would I let it run unchecked.
Here in Germany there is streaming site called more than sports TV. It has been showing many Heineken cup games and is free. Quarter finals will be shown. You might need a VPN though and the commentary might be in German. During the week they are showing repeats of some of last weekend's games. Worth a try maybe as a last resort.
Nah, calling bollox on that one. If we're being incredibly generous, his arm was at most at 45° angle (more like 30°) from his body. Now I don't think there is a definition for when a shoulder becomes a wrapped tackle, but for my money that's not enough (feel the hardness of your own shoulder at 45° vs 70° - big difference, in hardness and contact area).
Yup: and running jscript falls into my category of not fine!Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 1:50 pmvipbox works fine with adblockers running. You have to enable javascript for two sites max usually.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:55 amNever go near vipbox. If you use fbstream
https://tm.fbstream.tv/stream/rugby
in Firefox with the correct add ons:
- ublock origin
- privacy badger
- https everywhere
it works most of the time with only the occasional reload or switch required.
vipbox won't let you load if you use any blockers and no way would I let it run unchecked.
CheersMorton wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:11 pmHere in Germany there is streaming site called more than sports TV. It has been showing many Heineken cup games and is free. Quarter finals will be shown. You might need a VPN though and the commentary might be in German. During the week they are showing repeats of some of last weekend's games. Worth a try maybe as a last resort.
I mean, I've said it was probs a red, don't get me wrong. As I said, my issue was that I didn't think it was as clear cut as the officials seemed to.PornDog wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:16 pmNah, calling bollox on that one. If we're being incredibly generous, his arm was at most at 45° angle (more like 30°) from his body. Now I don't think there is a definition for when a shoulder becomes a wrapped tackle, but for my money that's not enough (feel the hardness of your own shoulder at 45° vs 70° - big difference, in hardness and contact area).
PLUS - he clearly twists his body entering into the actual contact, meaning instead of being directly to his side his arm goes back and shoulder goes forward, negating what little benefit that even 45° brought to the collision in the first place. He leads with his shoulder. That's an act of foul play and more than any other single aspect of the collision (well besides the actual head contact), means its was correct to be a red card.
More than any individual player, this is a consistent failing fo coaches, and by extension, a failure by World Rubgy to properly communicate HOW NOT TO FUCKING TACKLE SOMEONE!!
Players are doing these stupid things more from instinct than actual deliberate thought, because this stupidity hasn't been coached out of them yet. World Rugby needs to step up and start doing instructional videos like they did with the "forward pass" "momentum" clarifications a few years ago.
Don't stick your fucking shoulder into someone, let alone their head!
