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The BBC's reputation has been "highly damaged" following an inquiry into the Panorama interview with Diana, Princess of Wales, Priti Patel has said.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:56 pm

shereblue wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:21 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 10:00 am
She is an absolute fucking disgrace. This has been going on for over 30 ,years and as well as murder involves corruption in the Met and the News of the World and possibly other Murdoch titles.
Paul Foot and Private Eye were all over this for a long time and Foot has been dead for 14 years!!

Dare I mention the NOW's phone hacking that added to Millie Dowler's parents' acute distress and sidetracked a murder Investigation - and the complicit lack of outrage from those who are now so steamed up about the BBC?

The only one charged was the PI; wasn't it ?

It was like throwing the hitman in prison; & letting the people who paid him the money go scot free

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 4:39 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 4:38 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:30 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 4:38 pm

Johnson has outlived his usefulness. He delivered Brexit and a big majority, now dump him for someone who appears less compromised.

No other reason for Cummings being on manoeuvres.

Truss said that the government has published the report from the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, chaired by Tony Sewell, and that it had been “very important in setting a new agenda for how we’re dealing with racial equality is Britain”.
But when the presenter, Nick Ferrari, pointed out that the report had been widely condemned, Truss started sinking. She did not accept his point, when she challenged to name anyone who had supported it, she could not.
NF: You must accept secretary, it was widely condemned.

LT: There was a lot of support for the report.

NF: From whom?

LT: From a number of people - I think of them of the top of my head, but a lot of people said this is a common sense approach ...

NF: Lord Woolley, the head of [Operation Black Vote] said it was ridiculous, so many other campaigners, I can give you names. Give me the name of someone how actually lauded it outside the prime minister.

LT: I’ll get back to you. I can’t remember offhand.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:46 am The laziness of not bothering to properly brief yourself for an interview and just trying to bluff your way through it. She's not the only one and hers isn't the only party to do it, but quite typical of the contemporary "speak much, say little" attitude and strategy. It's all about bullet points. No wonder so many feel disengaged from politics.

Lobby wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:25 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:46 am The laziness of not bothering to properly brief yourself for an interview and just trying to bluff your way through it. She's not the only one and hers isn't the only party to do it, but quite typical of the contemporary "speak much, say little" attitude and strategy. It's all about bullet points. No wonder so many feel disengaged from politics.

I assume she was appearing on LBC to talk about the Australia trade deal and the problems this is causing for British farmers, and possibly border controls at the Irish border, rather than race relations and the Government's much criticised report, and would have been briefed accordingly.

However, she is also the Minister for Women and Equalities as well as Secretary of State for International Trade, so she should have been able to respond to an question about a central part of her formal responsibilities, even if the question wasn't one she was expecting.

Truss claimed that the UK’s dismal performance in Eurovision was would be improved if there was more competition for a candidate. She even suggested the BBC should no longer be involved.

Liz Truss wades in on Eurovision and our null points from the weekend.
It's not about Brexit. It's down to the fact we don't have proper competition to select our candidate.
She says LBC should perhaps run it instead of the BBC.

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 am

Lobby wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:25 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:46 am The laziness of not bothering to properly brief yourself for an interview and just trying to bluff your way through it. She's not the only one and hers isn't the only party to do it, but quite typical of the contemporary "speak much, say little" attitude and strategy. It's all about bullet points. No wonder so many feel disengaged from politics.

I assume she was appearing on LBC to talk about the Australia trade deal and the problems this is causing for British farmers, and possibly border controls at the Irish border, rather than race relations and the Government's much criticised report, and would have been briefed accordingly.

However, she is also the Minister for Women and Equalities as well as Secretary of State for International Trade, so she should have been able to respond to an question about a central part of her formal responsibilities, even if the question wasn't one she was expecting.

Nah!! Too busy talking about more important things

Truss claimed that the UK’s dismal performance in Eurovision was would be improved if there was more competition for a candidate. She even suggested the BBC should no longer be involved.

Liz Truss wades in on Eurovision and our null points from the weekend.
It's not about Brexit. It's down to the fact we don't have proper competition to select our candidate.
She says LBC should perhaps run it instead of the BBC.

Tory MP Rob Roberts faces six week suspension from Commons over sexual misconduct complaint
The independent expert panel, the relatively new body that adjudicates on bullying and sexual misconduct complaints about MPs, is recommending that the Conservative MP Rob Roberts should suspended from the Commons for six weeks for sexually harassing an employee. The report is here (pdf).

The Conservative party also carried out its own investigation into Roberts, MP for Delyn. The party rebuked him for his conduct, but took no further action.

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:42 am The Labour party suspend their sex-pests and make them resign whereas the Tory party give them a "rebuke" and let them carry ons
This one comes over as a particularly nast piece of shite

Tory MP Rob Roberts faces six week suspension from Commons over sexual misconduct complaint
The independent expert panel, the relatively new body that adjudicates on bullying and sexual misconduct complaints about MPs, is recommending that the Conservative MP Rob Roberts should suspended from the Commons for six weeks for sexually harassing an employee. The report is here (pdf).

The Conservative party also carried out its own investigation into Roberts, MP for Delyn. The party rebuked him for his conduct, but took no further action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-56757772

Lobby wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:33 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:42 am The Labour party suspend their sex-pests and make them resign whereas the Tory party give them a "rebuke" and let them carry ons
This one comes over as a particularly nast piece of shite

Tory MP Rob Roberts faces six week suspension from Commons over sexual misconduct complaint
The independent expert panel, the relatively new body that adjudicates on bullying and sexual misconduct complaints about MPs, is recommending that the Conservative MP Rob Roberts should suspended from the Commons for six weeks for sexually harassing an employee. The report is here (pdf).

The Conservative party also carried out its own investigation into Roberts, MP for Delyn. The party rebuked him for his conduct, but took no further action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-56757772

Not sure that’s true. None of the parties can claim the moral high ground on sexual misconduct.

Labour initially suspended Mike Hill over the (now proven) allegations of sexual misconduct, but then reinstated him just a month later, and allowed him to stand for re-election in 2019. He only resigned after his position became untenable. The complainant has been highly critical of the Party’s handling of the case. The SNP has recently been accused of trying to sweep allegations of groping made against its Chief Whip, Patrick Grady, dating back to 2016 under the carpet. It is now investigating only after the allegations were reported in the press. The Lib Dems consistently failed to deal with multiple allegations made against its then Chair, Lord Rennard. And of course there are several examples of the Tories repeatedly failing to deal with allegations of sexual misconduct, of which this is just the latest.

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:49 pm On the topic from another thread, I wonder what bribes Bojo and Raab have in store for Viktor Orban's visit on Friday. Imagine something along the lines of causing trouble re NI protocol Brussels side.

Perhaps Patel wants an autograph for her refugee nets.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:47 am The questioning of Cummings leaves me very much in two minds: on the one hand he's a total knobhead who I'd trust less far than I can piss (which due to ageing bladder and prostrate isn't exactly racehorse in power) who clearly has a personal agenda and grudge; on the other hoping that his claims can be independently substantiated to deliver some real body blows to this government and the blonde slug.

It's a very bleak situation when you can put no trust at all in either side of an inquiry to make any actual impact, even on public opinion. I expect no more than a little embarrassment to No 10 which can just be shrugged off by shouting out "Brexit! Vaccinations!" loudly enough.

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:52 am Hancock just been utterly burned lol

Cumming says Hancock should have been fired for many things, 'including lying to everybody on multiple occasions'
Rosie Cooper (Lab) is asking the questions now.

Q: Why did you not publish the Sage papers?

Cummings says Sir Patrick Vallance was in favour of publication, “as you would expect from a good scientist”. Prof Chris Whitty thought the same, and so did Sage.

But at that point they were in a crisis, he says.

They did not discuss publishing the Sage documents until the week of 9 March, when they were already “dangling over a cliff”.

Cooper says Cummings might want to discuss the claim that the PM was willing to see bodies pile up. But she goes on to ask how Cummings rates the performance of the Department for Health.

Cummings says there were many brilliant people at middle and junior levels, but they were let down by the leadership.

He says Matt Hancock should have been fired for at least 20 things, “including lying to everybody in multiple occasions in meeting after meeting in the cabinet room and publicly”.

He says the cabinet secretary also told the PM Hancock should be fired, as did other senior people.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:03 am DC playing a pretty canny game, but then you'd expect that from a strategist. Doesn't want to alienate thousands of low ranking civil servants and NHS staff but aiming for the head.

Hancock making a tasty target - wonder if he'll be hung out to dry?

PMQ could be a bit lively!

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 4:18 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:56 pm

shereblue wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:21 pm
Dare I mention the NOW's phone hacking that added to Millie Dowler's parents' acute distress and sidetracked a murder Investigation - and the complicit lack of outrage from those who are now so steamed up about the BBC?

The only one charged was the PI; wasn't it ?

It was like throwing the hitman in prison; & letting the people who paid him the money go scot free

Not quite.

In the period 2011 - 2016 67 journalists were arrested as part of the police investigation into phone hacking in the UK (Operation Weeting). If you include journalists who were interviewed under caution, the number rises to over 100. To put that in context, more journalists were arrested in the UK in that period than anywhere else in the West, and these numbers put the UK on a par with countries like Iran and China. Many of those arrested spent several years on police bail before hearing that they would not be formally charged.

Of the 29 arrested for phone hacking, 8 were convicted after admitting offences, with one more (Andy Coulson) being found guilty after a trial. All of these were from the News of the World.

Hacking was also widespread at the Mirror, but this was much less publicised at the time than hacking by the NoW and other Murdoch titles. 5 Daily Mirror journalists were arrested in this period and a further 15 interviewed under caution in relation to hacking, but the CPS decided not to pursue any of these cases. The Mirror Group has since paid out millions in compensation to hacking victims.

of the 34 journalists arrested and/or charged with illegally paying for stories two were convicted: Dan Evans, who admitted the offence, and Anthony France of the Sun, whose conviction was later quashed on appeal.

18 people were arrested as part of the police investigation into computer hacking (Operation Tuleta) but there were no convictions. One Times journalist admitted the offence after hacking into a Yahoo email account and was cautioned. If I recall correctly, he was sacked by the Times, and then went to work for the Guardian.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:03 am DC playing a pretty canny game, but then you'd expect that from a strategist. Doesn't want to alienate thousands of low ranking civil servants and NHS staff but aiming for the head.

Hancock making a tasty target - wonder if he'll be hung out to dry?

PMQ could be a bit lively!

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:31 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:03 am DC playing a pretty canny game, but then you'd expect that from a strategist. Doesn't want to alienate thousands of low ranking civil servants and NHS staff but aiming for the head.

Hancock making a tasty target - wonder if he'll be hung out to dry?

PMQ could be a bit lively!

The Senior Civil Service being a barrier to effective delivery of public services is a pretty consistent line of his, with plenty to back it up, in fairness.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:56 am What possible motive could Cummings, and who he works for, have in undermining confidence in Sir Humphrey and friends? I mean, to date he has been fulsome in his praise of the Civil Service and a keen advocate of its continuance in its existing form.

He's a fucking snake, and whilst it's fun seeing him give his version of events and absolve himself from all blame, it's likely to be conveniently forgotten in some quarters that he was at the very heart of the Government before and during the pandemic.