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They were gash. We will pump themAnd 1 guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:31 pm While we are all purring after a great performance yesterday, we have a serious game against the Welsh next week. Their back row is a real worry.
I hate the thought that we will be favourites. We're really not good at that
That's what I was thinking. We have nothing to fear from the teams that played today. Seriously poor rugby from both.Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:35 pmThey were gash. We will pump themAnd 1 guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:31 pm While we are all purring after a great performance yesterday, we have a serious game against the Welsh next week. Their back row is a real worry.
I hate the thought that we will be favourites. We're really not good at that
Agree with first part of that statement, second part sadly not so sure.. we ‘should’ pump them.Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:35 pmThey were gash. We will pump themAnd 1 guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:31 pm While we are all purring after a great performance yesterday, we have a serious game against the Welsh next week. Their back row is a real worry.
I hate the thought that we will be favourites. We're really not good at that
No, we’re not. But what else aren’t we good at? Winning games away from home. What are we worst of all at? Winning at Twickenham.And 1 guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:31 pm While we are all purring after a great performance yesterday, we have a serious game against the Welsh next week. Their back row is a real worry.
I hate the thought that we will be favourites. We're really not good at that
They beat Wales away 4 months ago, and England away yesterday. Confidence will be sky high for next week, and they will have belief that they can close out a tight game.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:39 pmNo, we’re not. But what else aren’t we good at? Winning games away from home. What are we worst of all at? Winning at Twickenham.And 1 guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:31 pm While we are all purring after a great performance yesterday, we have a serious game against the Welsh next week. Their back row is a real worry.
I hate the thought that we will be favourites. We're really not good at that
The most encouraging thing I took away from yesterday was that for the first time in many, many years, we seem to be winning the psychological battle with ourselves. We walked onto England’s patch and didn’t give them a sniff. We went into the final stages with a fragile lead and, despite the DG attempt, never looked likely to lose it. Even more encouragingly, we had iron discipline, YC apart, and very few unforced errors.
This could, of course, be another false dawn- we’ve seen plenty. But if we bring that game and mindset to the game v Wales, we’ll win.
I agree, I needed to see it done a second time and to do it at Twickenham was a gigantic leap. I'll also have to revise my view on Townsend, beating Wales in Cardiff and England at Twickenham represents a substantial step forward.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:47 pmThey beat Wales away 4 months ago, and England away yesterday. Confidence will be sky high for next week, and they will have belief that they can close out a tight game.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:39 pmNo, we’re not. But what else aren’t we good at? Winning games away from home. What are we worst of all at? Winning at Twickenham.And 1 guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:31 pm While we are all purring after a great performance yesterday, we have a serious game against the Welsh next week. Their back row is a real worry.
I hate the thought that we will be favourites. We're really not good at that
The most encouraging thing I took away from yesterday was that for the first time in many, many years, we seem to be winning the psychological battle with ourselves. We walked onto England’s patch and didn’t give them a sniff. We went into the final stages with a fragile lead and, despite the DG attempt, never looked likely to lose it. Even more encouragingly, we had iron discipline, YC apart, and very few unforced errors.
This could, of course, be another false dawn- we’ve seen plenty. But if we bring that game and mindset to the game v Wales, we’ll win.
I think this team has graduated from "If we play well, we have a chance" to "If we play well, we'll win" - and that's a huge difference.
This is the next psychological issue to get past. Lazy performances when overconfident.Deveron Boy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:38 pmAgree with first part of that statement, second part sadly not so sure.. we ‘should’ pump them.Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:35 pmThey were gash. We will pump themAnd 1 guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:31 pm While we are all purring after a great performance yesterday, we have a serious game against the Welsh next week. Their back row is a real worry.
I hate the thought that we will be favourites. We're really not good at that
robmatic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:52 amThis is the next psychological issue to get past. Lazy performances when overconfident.Deveron Boy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:38 pmAgree with first part of that statement, second part sadly not so sure.. we ‘should’ pump them.
I am mostly thinking about some horrible Embra results when I say this.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:46 amrobmatic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:52 amThis is the next psychological issue to get past. Lazy performances when overconfident.Deveron Boy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:38 pm
Agree with first part of that statement, second part sadly not so sure.. we ‘should’ pump them.
That should be much less of an issue now, it's not an attitude I associate with Glasgow, certainly not with Exeter or Saracens, Finn is Finn.
The Embra players in the side, Sutherland, Cherry, Ritchie, Watson - they are all hard-bitten grafters, vdM could probably still look for more work but he carries like number 8. If wee Darcy comes back in he's only going to give 100% for as many minutes as he's on the park.
I can't see Toonie letting them get beyond themselves.
Tend to agree, the team is a long way from having any basis for overconfidence. This is normally a thing we fans suffer from.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:46 am
That should be much less of an issue now, it's not an attitude I associate with Glasgow, certainly not with Exeter or Saracens, Finn is Finn.
The Embra players in the side, Sutherland, Cherry, Ritchie, Watson - they are all hard-bitten grafters, vdM could probably still look for more work but he carries like number 8. If wee Darcy comes back in he's only going to give 100% for as many minutes as he's on the park.
I can't see Toonie letting them get beyond themselves.
Without a crowd how much is 'home' a factor?zt1903 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:33 amTend to agree, the team is a long way from having any basis for overconfidence. This is normally a thing we fans suffer from.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:46 am
That should be much less of an issue now, it's not an attitude I associate with Glasgow, certainly not with Exeter or Saracens, Finn is Finn.
The Embra players in the side, Sutherland, Cherry, Ritchie, Watson - they are all hard-bitten grafters, vdM could probably still look for more work but he carries like number 8. If wee Darcy comes back in he's only going to give 100% for as many minutes as he's on the park.
I can't see Toonie letting them get beyond themselves.
I did think Wales and Ireland were pretty poor yesterday. We shouldn’t fear either at home.
TrueOpenside wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:14 pmWithout a crowd how much is 'home' a factor?zt1903 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:33 amTend to agree, the team is a long way from having any basis for overconfidence. This is normally a thing we fans suffer from.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:46 am
That should be much less of an issue now, it's not an attitude I associate with Glasgow, certainly not with Exeter or Saracens, Finn is Finn.
The Embra players in the side, Sutherland, Cherry, Ritchie, Watson - they are all hard-bitten grafters, vdM could probably still look for more work but he carries like number 8. If wee Darcy comes back in he's only going to give 100% for as many minutes as he's on the park.
I can't see Toonie letting them get beyond themselves.
I did think Wales and Ireland were pretty poor yesterday. We shouldn’t fear either at home.
It wasn’t, but it was an away game in Wales. Not our fault that the WRU had given up the MS for the treatment of Covid patients! I’m sure some commentators will keep on saying how long it is since we won in Cardiff - they did the same when we beat them in 2017 about Gatland not being in charge for that game. But it’s the result that goes in the books.
I think it’s still a fairly big factor, albeit obviously not quite as big without the crowds. Familiarity with the set up, stadium and just being in Edinburgh I think makes a differenceOpenside wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:14 pmWithout a crowd how much is 'home' a factor?zt1903 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:33 amTend to agree, the team is a long way from having any basis for overconfidence. This is normally a thing we fans suffer from.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:46 am
That should be much less of an issue now, it's not an attitude I associate with Glasgow, certainly not with Exeter or Saracens, Finn is Finn.
The Embra players in the side, Sutherland, Cherry, Ritchie, Watson - they are all hard-bitten grafters, vdM could probably still look for more work but he carries like number 8. If wee Darcy comes back in he's only going to give 100% for as many minutes as he's on the park.
I can't see Toonie letting them get beyond themselves.
I did think Wales and Ireland were pretty poor yesterday. We shouldn’t fear either at home.
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𝗕𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗹𝘂𝗯𝘀: Ewan Ashman, Blair Kinghorn, Jamie Dobie & Rufus McLean.Kinghorn! Not entirely unexpected - he's the 4th-choice winger now and probably 4th-choice full-back as well (Maitland and Jones more likely to be put there, you'd think). Just shows hoe strong our squad is at the moment.
Indeed. He still has a big international future ahead of him, but he needs time to regain his form.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:51 pmKinghorn! Not entirely unexpected - he's the 4th-choice winger now and probably 4th-choice full-back as well (Maitland and Jones more likely to be put there, you'd think). Just shows hoe strong our squad is at the moment.
Does he? Kinghorn absolutely needs to show some year on year improvement. 100 Edinburgh caps, 10+ Scotland games and he's at best stagnating but maybe more realistically regressing. He's not a promising player now, he needs to deliver.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:57 pmIndeed. He still has a big international future ahead of him, but he needs time to regain his form.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:51 pmKinghorn! Not entirely unexpected - he's the 4th-choice winger now and probably 4th-choice full-back as well (Maitland and Jones more likely to be put there, you'd think). Just shows hoe strong our squad is at the moment.
Edinburgh have a game this weekend as well.I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:29 pmDoes he? Kinghorn absolutely needs to show some year on year improvement. 100 Edinburgh caps, 10+ Scotland games and he's at best stagnating but maybe more realistically regressing. He's not a promising player now, he needs to deliver.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:57 pmIndeed. He still has a big international future ahead of him, but he needs time to regain his form.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:51 pm
Kinghorn! Not entirely unexpected - he's the 4th-choice winger now and probably 4th-choice full-back as well (Maitland and Jones more likely to be put there, you'd think). Just shows hoe strong our squad is at the moment.
It’s a fairly hefty kick up the arse. Pretty amazing as well that he he has gone from a shoe in somewhere in the back 3 to 4th choice across it in a few months.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:57 pmIndeed. He still has a big international future ahead of him, but he needs time to regain his form.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:51 pmKinghorn! Not entirely unexpected - he's the 4th-choice winger now and probably 4th-choice full-back as well (Maitland and Jones more likely to be put there, you'd think). Just shows hoe strong our squad is at the moment.
You may well be right, but it is curious that Scotland choose a crowdless Twix to offload a 38 year monkey.Slick wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:20 pmI think it’s still a fairly big factor, albeit obviously not quite as big without the crowds. Familiarity with the set up, stadium and just being in Edinburgh I think makes a difference
I suspect Cockers probably had a word to get him back.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:51 pmKinghorn! Not entirely unexpected - he's the 4th-choice winger now and probably 4th-choice full-back as well (Maitland and Jones more likely to be put there, you'd think). Just shows hoe strong our squad is at the moment.
Perhaps. But remember that England needed a converted try with the clock red to prevent it from happening last time, and that was with the stadium full.Openside wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:41 pmYou may well be right, but it is curious that Scotland choose a crowdless Twix to offload a 38 year monkey.
I think that’s a wee bit harsh. He’s hardly the first player to make a splash in his first few games and then go off the boil a bit after that. No, he isn’t a promising youngster any more, but he has just turned 24, so he isn’t over the hill either. NZ tend to trade in their back 3 players when they hit their mid to late 20s, but that’s with a queue of speedy young players coming up behind. We don’t have player resources like that, so it’s a given that Kinghorn will be back sooner or later.I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:29 pmDoes he? Kinghorn absolutely needs to show some year on year improvement. 100 Edinburgh caps, 10+ Scotland games and he's at best stagnating but maybe more realistically regressing. He's not a promising player now, he needs to deliver.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:57 pmIndeed. He still has a big international future ahead of him, but he needs time to regain his form.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:51 pm
Kinghorn! Not entirely unexpected - he's the 4th-choice winger now and probably 4th-choice full-back as well (Maitland and Jones more likely to be put there, you'd think). Just shows hoe strong our squad is at the moment.
I like that 7.7% grandslam chance in relation to the 100 to 1 bet I put on that happening before the tournament started.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:41 pm
Geez some peace...favourites to win the whole thing according to some stattos.
They must have an automatic France devaluation algorithm in there somewhere and lost their Excel column with Scotland v Ireland results.
I think we have a decent chance at the TripleC T wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:00 pmI like that 7.7% grandslam chance in relation to the 100 to 1 bet I put on that happening before the tournament started.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:41 pm
Geez some peace...favourites to win the whole thing according to some stattos.
They must have an automatic France devaluation algorithm in there somewhere and lost their Excel column with Scotland v Ireland results.
I didn't think it would happen (and still don't), but wasn't really feeling it this year so thought I'd chuck on a bet to raise the interest a bit.
I agree he's not the first player to make a splash and then regress to the mean. The recent form isn't unusual as it's been going on two three seasons. What is unusual was his breakout season which isn't being even almost being repeated.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:53 pmI think that’s a wee bit harsh. He’s hardly the first player to make a splash in his first few games and then go off the boil a bit after that. No, he isn’t a promising youngster any more, but he has just turned 24, so he isn’t over the hill either. NZ tend to trade in their back 3 players when they hit their mid to late 20s, but that’s with a queue of speedy young players coming up behind. We don’t have player resources like that, so it’s a given that Kinghorn will be back sooner or later.I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:29 pmDoes he? Kinghorn absolutely needs to show some year on year improvement. 100 Edinburgh caps, 10+ Scotland games and he's at best stagnating but maybe more realistically regressing. He's not a promising player now, he needs to deliver.
He’s a natural talent and I am sure he will rediscover his form in time.
I think what you can see there is how tight it is. The France odds being lower than you might expect is because they have to go to both London and Dublin.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:41 pm
Geez some peace...favourites to win the whole thing according to some stattos.
They must have an automatic France devaluation algorithm in there somewhere and lost their Excel column with Scotland v Ireland results.
I reckon that's implied odds derived from the flow of money (relative to some actuarial breakdown point or fixed margin) which is even more concerning: Scotland fans piling in after game 1 and not reflective of bookies' oddsclydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:41 pm
Geez some peace...favourites to win the whole thing according to some stattos.
They must have an automatic France devaluation algorithm in there somewhere and lost their Excel column with Scotland v Ireland results.
Don’t think so, I think they do it from stats of past results etc. Hence the low chance of a French GS, they’ve not won a 6N GS playing those two games away.Caley_Red wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:50 amI reckon that's implied odds derived from the flow of money (relative to some actuarial breakdown point or fixed margin) which is even more concerning: Scotland fans piling in after game 1 and not reflective of bookies' oddsclydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:41 pm
Geez some peace...favourites to win the whole thing according to some stattos.
They must have an automatic France devaluation algorithm in there somewhere and lost their Excel column with Scotland v Ireland results.
Long France, short Scotland it isBiffer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:28 amDon’t think so, I think they do it from stats of past results etc. Hence the low chance of a French GS, they’ve not won a 6N GS playing those two games away.Caley_Red wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:50 amI reckon that's implied odds derived from the flow of money (relative to some actuarial breakdown point or fixed margin) which is even more concerning: Scotland fans piling in after game 1 and not reflective of bookies' oddsclydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:41 pm
Geez some peace...favourites to win the whole thing according to some stattos.
They must have an automatic France devaluation algorithm in there somewhere and lost their Excel column with Scotland v Ireland results.
