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Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:14 pm
by Marylandolorian
CM11 wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:41 pm Mercer's card rescinded.

They really need to bring in the 20 minute thingy and deal with the incident after the game.
In this type of case absolutely, but not when a player has to get out for concussion or on a stretcher.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:16 pm
by CM11
Marylandolorian wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:14 pm
CM11 wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:41 pm Mercer's card rescinded.

They really need to bring in the 20 minute thingy and deal with the incident after the game.
In this type of case absolutely, but not when a player has to get out for concussion or on a stretcher.
If it's not a red, it's not a red. You'd swear people never got accidentally badly injured before.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:15 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Sards wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:13 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:42 pm Just saw he and Hendricks is out. Gatslag.
Don't mind Hendricks...just hope Cameron is not there.

We have depth in our squad....so shoudn't be an excuse
Well Etzebeth is irreplaceable specially vs Toulouse

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:34 pm
by fishfoodie
CM11 wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:16 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:14 pm
CM11 wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:41 pm Mercer's card rescinded.

They really need to bring in the 20 minute thingy and deal with the incident after the game.
In this type of case absolutely, but not when a player has to get out for concussion or on a stretcher.
If it's not a red, it's not a red. You'd swear people never got accidentally badly injured before.
They aren't trying to stop accidental injuries, they're trying to stop all head contacts.

Mercer deserved the the RC, if only for his own stupidity, for arriving late & upright & making contact with the head. The slowness of the contact just shows how he had the opportunity to avoid it. We're getting back into outcome based decisions, & that's a disaster waiting to happen.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:52 am
by OomStruisbaai
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:34 pm
CM11 wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:16 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:14 pm
In this type of case absolutely, but not when a player has to get out for concussion or on a stretcher.
If it's not a red, it's not a red. You'd swear people never got accidentally badly injured before.
They aren't trying to stop accidental injuries, they're trying to stop all head contacts.

Mercer deserved the the RC, if only for his own stupidity, for arriving late & upright & making contact with the head. The slowness of the contact just shows how he had the opportunity to avoid it. We're getting back into outcome based decisions, & that's a disaster waiting to happen.
Its all good and well. The instinct for any attacking player (ball in hand) is to bump off the defender. You know the bus is full. They should rather give the red card to the defender going high in the tackle situations. The defender should tackle low, as easy as pie.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:29 am
by assfly
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:52 am Its all good and well. The instinct for any attacking player (ball in hand) is to bump off the defender. You know the bus is full. They should rather give the red card to the defender going high in the tackle situations. The defender should tackle low, as easy as pie.
Defenders are incentivized to stand up and go high so they can hold the player up and get the turnover. I think a rule change here may be the only thing to force players to go lower.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:53 am
by OomStruisbaai
assfly wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:29 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:52 am Its all good and well. The instinct for any attacking player (ball in hand) is to bump off the defender. You know the bus is full. They should rather give the red card to the defender going high in the tackle situations. The defender should tackle low, as easy as pie.
Defenders are incentivized to stand up and go high so they can hold the player up and get the turnover. I think a rule change here may be the only thing to force players to go lower.
Exactly. They banned the Lion, Emmanuel Tshituka, for three weeks for Racing 92’s Louis Dupichot who know nothing about tackling.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:07 am
by PornDog
assfly wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:29 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:52 am Its all good and well. The instinct for any attacking player (ball in hand) is to bump off the defender. You know the bus is full. They should rather give the red card to the defender going high in the tackle situations. The defender should tackle low, as easy as pie.
Defenders are incentivized to stand up and go high so they can hold the player up and get the turnover. I think a rule change here may be the only thing to force players to go lower.
I think that's only a very small part of the problem (though it is part of it). The motivation for the majority of these tackles is that it is the easiest, laziest way to make a dominant hit. So long as you don't make head contact, leading with the shoulder at chest height is very rarely punished - so an ever increasing number of players have that as their default tackle style.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:11 am
by Sards
OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:15 pm
Sards wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:13 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:42 pm Just saw he and Hendricks is out. Gatslag.
Don't mind Hendricks...just hope Cameron is not there.

We have depth in our squad....so shoudn't be an excuse
Well Etzebeth is irreplaceable specially vs Toulouse
He's not there. No need to work a game plan around him. Got to make sure Hyron is up to speed and carry on. No need to cry over spilt milk

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:47 pm
by CM11
Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets):
15. Hugo Keenan (52)
14. Jimmy O’Brien (67)
13. Garry Ringrose (113)
12. Robbie Henshaw (74)
11. James Lowe (70)
10. Ross Byrne (144)
9. Jamison Gibson-Park (122)
1. Andrew Porter (104)
2. Dan Sheehan (42)
3. Tadhg Furlong (130)
4. Ross Molony (159)
5. James Ryan (70) CAPTAIN
6. Ryan Baird (49)
7. Caelan Doris (64)
8. Jack Conan (128)

16. John McKee (16)
17. Cian Healy (260)
18. Michael Ala’alatoa (43)
19. Jason Jenkins (13)
20. Scott Penny (54)
21. Luke McGrath (191)
22. Harry Byrne (47)
23. Ciarán Frawley (63)
STARTING XV
15 Mike Brown [5]
14 Anthony Watson [13]
13 Harry Potter [63]
12 Dan Kelly [52]
11 Freddie Steward [69]
10 Handré Pollard [11]
9 Jack van Poortvliet [62]
1 James Cronin [13]
2 Julián Montoya (c) [40]
3 Joe Heyes [120]
4 George Martin [55]
5 Cameron Henderson [33]
6 Hanro Liebenberg [81]
7 Tommy Reffell [96]
8 Jasper Wiese [57]

REPLACEMENTS
16 Charlie Clare [75]
17 Tom West [7]
18 Dan Cole [306]
19 Eli Snyman [32]
20 Olly Cracknell [21]
21 Sam Wolstenholme *
22 Charlie Atkinson [15]
23 Jimmy Gopperth [14]

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:52 pm
by Uncle fester
Was hoping Penny would get the start. That's an enormous pack, probably a bit slow but will be enough for Leicester.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:00 pm
by CM11
Would have thought it's not a slow pack at all.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:09 pm
by Uncle fester
No 7 like.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:11 pm
by PornDog
Slightly disappointed to see Doris at 7 instead of Penny or Connors. Other than that its a ridiculously strong side.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:12 pm
by CM11
Uncle fester wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:09 pm No 7 like.
Baird is probably our quickest forward.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:15 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Next Kurt Lee Arendse from Paarl

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:51 pm
by Jim Lahey
Leinster by 20.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:55 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Hope Pollard & Wiese have massive games. Look like Liebenberg has been great for Tigers.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:09 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Possible semi-final matches and venues – 28/29/30 April

• Leinster Rugby (A1) v either Stade Toulousain (B2) or Sharks (A3) – Aviva Stadium, Dublin (capacity: 51,700).

• Stade Toulousain (B2) v Leicester Tigers (B4) – Matmut ATLANTIQUE, Bordeaux (capacity: 42,100).

• Sharks (A3) v Leicester Tigers (B4) – StoneX Stadium, London (capacity: 10,300)

• Stade Rochelais (B1) v either Exeter Chiefs (A2) or DHL Stormers (B3) – Matmut ATLANTIQUE, Bordeaux (capacity: 42,100).

• Exeter Chiefs (A2) v Saracens (A4) – Ashton Gate Stadium, Bristol (capacity: 27,000).

• Stormers (B3) v Saracens (A4) – Twickenham Stoop, London (capacity: 14,800)

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:03 pm
by fishfoodie
I fecking love this weekend !

HEC Quarter Finals + The Masters + Paris-Roubaix

This weekend is peak depth for the ass groove in my sofa :grin:

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:30 pm
by OomStruisbaai
fishfoodie wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:03 pm I fecking love this weekend !

HEC Quarter Finals + The Masters + Paris-Roubaix

This weekend is peak depth for the ass groove in my sofa :grin:
HEC is still new to us. We also have our CC. To much rugby. Can't help thinking about next weekend, last two rounds of URC. I love the NH competitions.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:44 pm
by Paddington Bear
The semi venue choices are essentially comical

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:49 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:44 pm The semi venue choices are essentially comical
Smaller stadiums for the SA teams, know they won't make the semi finals

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:14 am
by Torquemada 1420
CM11 wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:41 pm Mercer's card rescinded.

They really need to bring in the 20 minute thingy and deal with the incident after the game.
Another quality decision by Brace which determined the outcome of a game.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:39 am
by OomStruisbaai
DHL Stormers: 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Suleiman Hartzenberg, 13 Ruhan Nel, 12 Dan du Plessis, 11 Seabelo Seabelo, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Herschel Jantjies, 8 Marcel Theunissen, 7 Ben-Jason Dixon, 6 Junior Pokomela, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Ernst van Rhyn, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Joseph Dweba, 1 Steven Kitshoff (captain).
Replacements: 16 JJ Kotze, 17 Ali Vermaak, 18 Neethling Fouche, 19 Gary Porter, 20 Willie Engelbrecht, 21 Hacjivah Dayimani, 22 Paul de Wet, 23 Clayton Blommetjies.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:42 am
by OomStruisbaai
Fourie is a massive loss
Heineken Star of the Match in the 32-28 victory in Cape Town Deon Fourie has been ruled out with a Medial orbital wall fracture, so his place at openside flank is taken by Junior Pokomela.
Mountain to climb without him

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:12 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Sharks: 15 Henry Chamberlain, 14 Werner Kok, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Rohan Janse van Rensburg, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Curwin Bosch, 9 Grant Williams, 8 Sikhumbuzo Notshe, 7 Vincent Tshituka, 6 Siyamthanda Kolisi (captain), 5 Gerbrandt Grobler, 4 Hyron Andrews, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Mbongeni Mbonambi, 1 Retshegofaditswe Nché.
Replacements: 16 Kerron van Vuuren, 17 Ntuthuko Mchunu, 18 Carlü Sadie, 19 Jeandre Labuschagne, 20 Phendulani Buthelezi, 21 Cameron Wright, 22 Ben Tapuai, 23 Thaakir Abrahams.

Date: Saturday, April 8
Veue: Stade Ernest Wallon, Toulouse
Kick-off: 16.00 (16.00 SA time; 14.00 GMT)
Referee: Karl Dickson (England)
Assistant Referees: Christophe Ridley (England), Jonathan Healy (England)
TMO: Tom Foley (England)

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:29 pm
by SaintK
Leinster +19
Toulose +12
Stormers +9
La Rochelle +8

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:58 pm
by OomStruisbaai
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:39 am DHL Stormers: 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Suleiman Hartzenberg, 13 Ruhan Nel, 12 Dan du Plessis, 11 Seabelo Seabelo, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Herschel Jantjies, 8 Marcel Theunissen, 7 Ben-Jason Dixon, 6 Junior Pokomela, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Ernst van Rhyn, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Joseph Dweba, 1 Steven Kitshoff (captain).
Replacements: 16 JJ Kotze, 17 Ali Vermaak, 18 Neethling Fouche, 19 Gary Porter, 20 Willie Engelbrecht, 21 Hacjivah Dayimani, 22 Paul de Wet, 23 Clayton Blommetjies.
Exeter: 15 Tom Wyatt, 14 Jack Nowell (c), 13 Henry Slade, 12 Sean O’Brien, 11 Olly Woodburn, 10 Joe Simmonds, 9 Will Becconsall, 8 Sam Simmonds, 7 Christ Tshiunza, 6 Jannes Kirsten, 5 Dafydd Jenkins, 4 Jonny Gray, 3 Marcus Street, 2 Dan Frost, 1 Scott Sio
Replacements: 16 Jack Yeandle, 17 Nika Abuladze, 18 Josh Iosefa-Scott, 19 Aidon Davis, 20 Dave Ewers, 21 Tom Cairns, 22 Harvey Skinner, 23 Stuart Hogg

Date: Saturday, April 8
Venue: Sandy Park
Kick-off: 17:30 BST (16:30 GMT)
Referee: Mathieu Raynal (France)
Assistant referees: Ludovic Cayre (France), Jonathan Gasnier (France)
TMO: Thomas Charabas (France)

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:12 pm
by Marylandolorian
Which UK channel to watch the Leinster/ Leicester game ?

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:38 pm
by JM2K6
Should be on BT sport 1

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:38 pm
by Marylandolorian
Thanks

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:00 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Marylandolorian wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:12 pm Which UK channel to watch the Leinster/ Leicester game ?
Pffft. I'll be watching ASM.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:03 pm
by fishfoodie
Well that didn't take long

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:03 pm
by SaintK
All over!!!

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:10 pm
by JM2K6
Far from it. A good contest so far.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:13 pm
by fishfoodie
Scarlets beating Clermont 8 - 3

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:18 pm
by Torquemada 1420
fishfoodie wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:13 pm Scarlets beating Clermont 8 - 3
15-3 now. Two turnovers, 2 scores.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:21 pm
by JM2K6
Kelly having a mare in defence so far. The biggest difference between the two teams at the moment.

Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:23 pm
by fishfoodie
JM2K6 wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:21 pm Kelly having a mare in defence so far. The biggest difference between the two teams at the moment.
He's only just back isn't he ?

Not the game to come back to if your a bit ring rusty, but I suppose he's a quality player so you have to play him.

Nice to see Ross getting the backs humming though, from an Irish perspective