Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:10 am
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Thursday warned the United States that hypersonic missiles would soon be close to NATO's shores after the U.S. embassy said in a video it stood in solidarity with Russians who opposed the war in Ukraine.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has triggered one of the most deadly wars in Europe since World War Two and the deepest crisis in Moscow's relations with the West since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.
"The main gift for the New Year with an ammunition package of Zircon missiles left yesterday for the shores of NATO countries," Medvedev said, referring to President Vladimir Putin's deployment of a warship with hypersonic cruise missiles to the Atlantic.
Medvedev said the missiles could be placed 100 miles (160 km) off the U.S. coast, adding: "So rejoice! It will bring to their senses anyone who poses a direct threat to Russia and our allies."
He was speaking after the U.S. embassy to Russia released a video that it called an "an appeal to the people of Russia". The 50-second video included images of the impact of bombing in Ukraine, saying what was happening there "is not worthy of you".
"We stand in solidarity with each of you who are striving to create a more peaceful future," the video said, showing an image of the slogan "No to war" in Russian sprayed on a wall.
"Throughout history, our countries have been united by the commonality of cultures and our achievements," the video said, adding that Russia and the United States had "competed and collaborated" for decades.
The video showed images of Soviet cosmonauts, writers such as Fyodor Dostoevsky and leaders such as Leonid Brezhnev, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin. Putin was not included.
Medvedev, a close Putin ally, lashed out at the video, describing the U.S. government as cynical "freaks" and "sons of bitches" who he said were using the tricks of Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.
Since the war began, Medvedev's rhetoric has become increasingly vitriolic though his published views sometimes chime with thinking at the top levels of the Kremlin elite.
(Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge; Editing by Edmund Blair)
tabascoboy wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:43 pm Makes Mad Drunken Nad look very benign
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Thursday warned the United States that hypersonic missiles would soon be close to NATO's shores after the U.S. embassy said in a video it stood in solidarity with Russians who opposed the war in Ukraine.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has triggered one of the most deadly wars in Europe since World War Two and the deepest crisis in Moscow's relations with the West since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.
"The main gift for the New Year with an ammunition package of Zircon missiles left yesterday for the shores of NATO countries," Medvedev said, referring to President Vladimir Putin's deployment of a warship with hypersonic cruise missiles to the Atlantic.
Medvedev said the missiles could be placed 100 miles (160 km) off the U.S. coast, adding: "So rejoice! It will bring to their senses anyone who poses a direct threat to Russia and our allies."
He was speaking after the U.S. embassy to Russia released a video that it called an "an appeal to the people of Russia". The 50-second video included images of the impact of bombing in Ukraine, saying what was happening there "is not worthy of you".
"We stand in solidarity with each of you who are striving to create a more peaceful future," the video said, showing an image of the slogan "No to war" in Russian sprayed on a wall.
"Throughout history, our countries have been united by the commonality of cultures and our achievements," the video said, adding that Russia and the United States had "competed and collaborated" for decades.
The video showed images of Soviet cosmonauts, writers such as Fyodor Dostoevsky and leaders such as Leonid Brezhnev, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin. Putin was not included.
Medvedev, a close Putin ally, lashed out at the video, describing the U.S. government as cynical "freaks" and "sons of bitches" who he said were using the tricks of Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.
Since the war began, Medvedev's rhetoric has become increasingly vitriolic though his published views sometimes chime with thinking at the top levels of the Kremlin elite.
(Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge; Editing by Edmund Blair)
Had to zoom in to convince myself what it was.Niegs wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:12 pm One can probably guess how, but it's almost unfathomable from an army that's meant to be modern... (supposedly this is from mid-Dec)
Medvedev is a non-entity. He's a running joke among the siloviki. He has no powerbase at all.EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:04 am The thinking man's money is on Dmitry positioning himself for a post Putin world and avoiding the Russian hotel bungee jump in the meantime
Any FSB Officer who's had to watch piss tapes with Clare Daly, & Mick Wallace, should be shot in the head for humanitarian reasons.
Think it was oz katerji and NAFO informing the venue about hosting a putin shill.
Related... spare a very small thought for any Russian who runs afoul of this cat!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... war-effortUkraine confident UK will send Challenger 2 tanks to help war effort
You can be as cynical as you like, it is all about getting tanks to Ukraine now. They need something to break the trench deadlock. It's either a decent combined arms force which with the Bradleys and whatnot they should be able to put together for a post spring mud offensive, or a bombing capable airforce which won't be happening.weegie01 wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:41 amhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... war-effortUkraine confident UK will send Challenger 2 tanks to help war effort
Call me cynical, but 10 tanks make no difference, and cause an issue in maintenace, training etc. But they get the Germans out of a hole and let them authorise exports of Leopards from anyone wishing to supply them as they have a precedent set by the Challengers.
Yes and no. The West biggest advantage is in airforces where we haven't given the Ukrainians any nato planes (though we have given them weapons systems). I don't think there is much holding back on artillery systems and ammo we just don't produce enough shells. Bugger all point putting in new systems if we can't supply them. To have so many nato systems in use in Ukraine is damn impressive in under a year considering supply, training and maintenance requirements.Raggs wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:00 am Is it completely unreasonable to imagine that the west are giving the Ukraine enough to keep them in the war winning to a small degree, but not enough to win decisively, since that way Russia uses up more and more of its resources weakening it in the longer term?
They're starting to tap non-NATO sources now too, quite important as it stops Russia getting hold of them. Rheinmetall Denel just got a large order to supply an unnamed NATO country with 155mm and then got a contract to build a munitions factory in Hungary. Russia doesn't have the cash and value add to do this (SA government is favourable to Russia without outright supporting them, Russia has no ability to turn any neutral-ish country). SA shells have been spotted at the front now too.petej wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:41 amYes and no. The West biggest advantage is in airforces where we haven't given the Ukrainians any nato planes (though we have given them weapons systems). I don't think there is much holding back on artillery systems and ammo we just don't produce enough shells. Bugger all point putting in new systems if we can't supply them. To have so many nato systems in use in Ukraine is damn impressive in under a year considering supply, training and maintenance requirements.Raggs wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:00 am Is it completely unreasonable to imagine that the west are giving the Ukraine enough to keep them in the war winning to a small degree, but not enough to win decisively, since that way Russia uses up more and more of its resources weakening it in the longer term?
Ukraine war: Russia's Wagner Group commander requests Norway asylum
A former commander with the Russian paramilitary Wagner Group has claimed asylum in Norway after deserting from the mercenary outfit.
Andrey Medvedev, 26, crossed the border into Norway last Friday, where he was detained by border guards.
He is currently being held in the Oslo area where he faces charges of illegal entry to Norway, his lawyer Brynjulf Risnes told the BBC.
Mr Risnes said his client left Wagner after witnessing war crimes in Ukraine.
The Norwegian Border Guard confirmed to the BBC that a Russian man had been detained after crossing the country's 198km (123miles) long border with Russia, but said it could not comment further for "reasons of security and privacy".
Tarjei Sirma-Tellefsen, police chief of staff in the Norwegian region of Finnmark, said a man had been detained by a border patrol and said he had applied for asylum.
But the Russian human rights group Gulagu, who helped Mr Medvedev leave Russia, confirmed his identity. His escape is believed to be the first known instance of one of the group's soldiers defecting to the West.
Gulagu's founder Vladimir Osechkin told the BBC that Mr Medvedev had joined the paramilitary group in July 2022 on a four-month contract, but had deserted after witnessing a host of human rights abuses and war crimes while serving in Ukraine.
He said that Mr Medvedev is a former soldier in the Russian army and that he later served time in prison between 2017 and 2018 before joining the Wagner Group.
He was placed in charge of a Wagner division in Ukraine, where the mercenary group supplied him with around 30-40 troops every week, Mr Osechkin said.
In a video posted by Gulagu to its social media channels, Mr Medvedev said he fled Ukraine in November after being informed that the group intended to extend his contract indefinitely.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64296979
If the limit of his involvement is just witness, then maybe they should give him asylum; but if it goes a millimeter beyond that, they should hog tie him, lube him up, & send him back to Mother Russia !tabascoboy wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 9:14 pmUkraine war: Russia's Wagner Group commander requests Norway asylum
A former commander with the Russian paramilitary Wagner Group has claimed asylum in Norway after deserting from the mercenary outfit.
Andrey Medvedev, 26, crossed the border into Norway last Friday, where he was detained by border guards.
He is currently being held in the Oslo area where he faces charges of illegal entry to Norway, his lawyer Brynjulf Risnes told the BBC.
Mr Risnes said his client left Wagner after witnessing war crimes in Ukraine.