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assfly wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:12 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:09 am The Springboks box kicks in the opponent half make me sick. It should be a no goer. If they get one right, they keep on doing it. You cant give the top teams like Ireland, France and the All Blacks possession on a platter.
It's not as simple as that though. A well-placed box kick leads to a 50/50 gamble of getting the ball back. If you don't, then you put them under pressure to exit and you get the lineout.
Except our current kickers are erratic, so that 50/50 goes much lower down to 30/70 chance we give away possession. Ireland and AB kicks are much better and so 50/50 works for them.
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average joe wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:08 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:09 am
average joe wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:57 am
It's all about decision making and execution oom. Sometimes you don't even have to kick in your own half. Problem is when people look at a game and kak and complain about one shit kick or one dropped ball but don't mention the other 9 times when it worked.
The Springboks box kicks in the opponent half make me sick. It should be a no goer. If they get one right, they keep on doing it. You cant give the top teams like Ireland, France and the All Blacks possession on a platter.
I agree, some of those kicks in the past were questionable. Hope they've learned from them.

What do you do when your attack is dead in the water and you're getting smashed back at the contact points, you're not making any meters? Regardless of where you are positioned there, you kick, and you make sure your execution is flawless.

The game is too dynamic to just say don't kick, run everything.
The Springboks dont get smashed in contact points often. Maybe when its a heavy field, yes then I understand it or when we lead by more then 14 in the 2nd half and back our defense,
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Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:15 am
assfly wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:12 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:09 am The Springboks box kicks in the opponent half make me sick. It should be a no goer. If they get one right, they keep on doing it. You cant give the top teams like Ireland, France and the All Blacks possession on a platter.
It's not as simple as that though. A well-placed box kick leads to a 50/50 gamble of getting the ball back. If you don't, then you put them under pressure to exit and you get the lineout.
Except our current kickers are erratic, so that 50/50 goes much lower down to 30/70 chance we give away possession. Ireland and AB kicks are much better and so 50/50 works for them.
Thats right, but they dont just kick, they will attack, keep possession.
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I'm sure I remember we won a world cup somewhere in 2019. Did they kick everything in 2019? I'm sure there's some statistics out there that can prove this, or not.
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Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:15 am Except our current kickers are erratic, so that 50/50 goes much lower down to 30/70 chance we give away possession. Ireland and AB kicks are much better and so 50/50 works for them.
Well it's 7 months since the Boks last played so let's see how we look after a couple of games. Agreed, we're not bringing a great deal of kicking form with us but things are always different in the national structures.
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So, Pollard won't be ready for Wallabies test. Willemse is not 100% confirmed either, we should know by next week. If fit, I'm sure he will start, with Libbok on the bench. Willemse will be solid on defence, but his kicking out of hand and particularly at the sticks has me worried. With Manie we know an attacking mindset is his bread and butter, but how will he adapt to a high-pressure test environment against a very good Wallabies backline? He very much is a confidence player too, so if things go wrong then it could be a long day at the park. But if things go right, then he is a joy to behold.

Pretty apprehensive about how these two will go on the day, Willemse hasn't played 10 since last year I think?
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That whole willemse thing... guy doesnt play 10 for his club, yet at test level he is the preferred choice over his teammate at that position. I will never get it. :crazy:
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LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:43 am So, Pollard won't be ready for Wallabies test. Willemse is not 100% confirmed either, we should know by next week. If fit, I'm sure he will start, with Libbok on the bench. Willemse will be solid on defence, but his kicking out of hand and particularly at the sticks has me worried. With Manie we know an attacking mindset is his bread and butter, but how will he adapt to a high-pressure test environment against a very good Wallabies backline? He very much is a confidence player too, so if things go wrong then it could be a long day at the park. But if things go right, then he is a joy to behold.

Pretty apprehensive about how these two will go on the day, Willemse hasn't played 10 since last year I think?
The thing is that there is Manie and no one else.
None of the other URC 10's are any good. In the CC there is only a 40 year old Ruin Pienaar.

Rob Du Preez? He has been good in England but will he ever be forgiven for the Wales loss?

I'd bring back Braam.
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Chilli wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:59 am
LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:43 am So, Pollard won't be ready for Wallabies test. Willemse is not 100% confirmed either, we should know by next week. If fit, I'm sure he will start, with Libbok on the bench. Willemse will be solid on defence, but his kicking out of hand and particularly at the sticks has me worried. With Manie we know an attacking mindset is his bread and butter, but how will he adapt to a high-pressure test environment against a very good Wallabies backline? He very much is a confidence player too, so if things go wrong then it could be a long day at the park. But if things go right, then he is a joy to behold.

Pretty apprehensive about how these two will go on the day, Willemse hasn't played 10 since last year I think?
The thing is that there is Manie and no one else.
None of the other URC 10's are any good. In the CC there is only a 40 year old Ruin Pienaar.

Rob Du Preez? He has been good in England but will he ever be forgiven for the Wales loss?

I'd bring back Braam.
I read somewhere Elton is on standby ffs. :crazy: You know I guess it's better to give them more game time now before the world cup, because Pollard is held together with duct tape and a piece of blou draad.
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This is not new in the 40+ years I've been playing for and watching the Boks - we always have just one first choice flyhalf and then we're scratching around for a backup.
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:59 am This is not new in the 40+ years I've been playing for and watching the Boks - we always have just one first choice flyhalf and then we're scratching around for a backup.
You played for the Boks! :shock:
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boere wors wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:43 am That whole willemse thing... guy doesnt play 10 for his club, yet at test level he is the preferred choice over his teammate at that position. I will never get it. :crazy:
Maybe this will help you.

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LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:06 am
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:59 am This is not new in the 40+ years I've been playing for and watching the Boks - we always have just one first choice flyhalf and then we're scratching around for a backup.
You played for the Boks! :shock:
Shit! I tried to keep it secret for so long.
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LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:22 am
Chilli wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:59 am
LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:43 am So, Pollard won't be ready for Wallabies test. Willemse is not 100% confirmed either, we should know by next week. If fit, I'm sure he will start, with Libbok on the bench. Willemse will be solid on defence, but his kicking out of hand and particularly at the sticks has me worried. With Manie we know an attacking mindset is his bread and butter, but how will he adapt to a high-pressure test environment against a very good Wallabies backline? He very much is a confidence player too, so if things go wrong then it could be a long day at the park. But if things go right, then he is a joy to behold.

Pretty apprehensive about how these two will go on the day, Willemse hasn't played 10 since last year I think?
The thing is that there is Manie and no one else.
None of the other URC 10's are any good. In the CC there is only a 40 year old Ruin Pienaar.

Rob Du Preez? He has been good in England but will he ever be forgiven for the Wales loss?

I'd bring back Braam.
I read somewhere Elton is on standby ffs. :crazy: You know I guess it's better to give them more game time now before the world cup, because Pollard is held together with duct tape and a piece of blou draad.
Junkies?
There must have been a few awkward moments when he went to discuss his diet.
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:59 am This is not new in the 40+ years I've been playing for and watching the Boks - we always have just one first choice flyhalf and then we're scratching around for a backup.
Just having one first choice felt like a luxury!
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:23 am
boere wors wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:43 am That whole willemse thing... guy doesnt play 10 for his club, yet at test level he is the preferred choice over his teammate at that position. I will never get it. :crazy:
Maybe this will help you.

He's wearing 15 in most of those clips.
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assfly wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:03 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:59 am This is not new in the 40+ years I've been playing for and watching the Boks - we always have just one first choice flyhalf and then we're scratching around for a backup.
Just having one first choice felt like a luxury!
:lol:
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Surely Robert du Preez was due a second chance?
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:44 am
LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:06 am
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:59 am This is not new in the 40+ years I've been playing for and watching the Boks - we always have just one first choice flyhalf and then we're scratching around for a backup.
You played for the Boks! :shock:
Shit! I tried to keep it secret for so long.
Is that you Earl Rose?
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handyman wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:17 pm Surely Robert du Preez was due a second chance?
My theory is there's bad blood with the du Preez's. I think the old toppy had a tiff with someone at Saru, gooied n vloer moer and decided to fokof to England. The boys are just loyal to their father.
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average joe wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:41 pm
handyman wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:17 pm Surely Robert du Preez was due a second chance?
My theory is there's bad blood with the du Preez's. I think the old toppy had a tiff with someone at Saru, gooied n vloer moer and decided to fokof to England. The boys are just loyal to their father.
Robert du Preez senior was van sy speeldae af 'n hardegat.
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I think du Preez is worth a punt, at least during TRC. He's been quietly going about his things for Sale for several seasons, playing at 13 too. He's been playing against the best flyhalves in Europe and nearly got Sale their first premiership title.
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LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:32 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:44 am
LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:06 am
You played for the Boks! :shock:
Shit! I tried to keep it secret for so long.
Is that you Earl Rose?
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assfly wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:42 pm I think du Preez is worth a punt, at least during TRC. He's been quietly going about his things for Sale for several seasons, playing at 13 too. He's been playing against the best flyhalves in Europe and nearly got Sale their first premiership title.
Nah, we have Junkies, we trust this guy and know what he has done for us in the past
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handyman wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:43 pm
LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:32 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:44 am

Shit! I tried to keep it secret for so long.
Is that you Earl Rose?
Lance Sherrell.
Call me Naas.
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assfly wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:42 pm I think du Preez is worth a punt, at least during TRC. He's been quietly going about his things for Sale for several seasons, playing at 13 too. He's been playing against the best flyhalves in Europe and nearly got Sale their first premiership title.
Do you think he'll answer the call?
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average joe wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:13 pm
assfly wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:42 pm I think du Preez is worth a punt, at least during TRC. He's been quietly going about his things for Sale for several seasons, playing at 13 too. He's been playing against the best flyhalves in Europe and nearly got Sale their first premiership title.
Do you think he'll answer the call?
Be silly not to be involved in a RWC where there's an excellent chance he'll get game time.
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boere wors wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:44 pm Nah, we have Junkies, we trust this guy and know what he has done for us in the past
We do? His own wife doesn't :crazy:
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assfly wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:28 pm
boere wors wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:44 pm Nah, we have Junkies, we trust this guy and know what he has done for us in the past
We do? His own wife doesn't :crazy:
I think Wors is being silly. At least I hope he is......I'll ask Nick Mallett at work tomorrow.
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:29 pm
assfly wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:28 pm
boere wors wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:44 pm Nah, we have Junkies, we trust this guy and know what he has done for us in the past
We do? His own wife doesn't :crazy:
I think Wors is being silly. At least I hope he is......I'll ask Nick Mallett at work tomorrow.
Of course i am. Just citing nienabers mantra.
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:29 pm
assfly wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:28 pm
boere wors wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:44 pm Nah, we have Junkies, we trust this guy and know what he has done for us in the past
We do? His own wife doesn't :crazy:
I think Wors is being silly. At least I hope he is......I'll ask Nick Mallett at work tomorrow.
Yes Hans Wors, just like you. :spin
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:shock:
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Willemse will be ready on the 7th.

Personally I prefer him on 12 but we have Ellendig.
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:29 pm
assfly wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:28 pm
boere wors wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:44 pm Nah, we have Junkies, we trust this guy and know what he has done for us in the past
We do? His own wife doesn't :crazy:
I think Wors is being silly. At least I hope he is......I'll ask Nick Mallett at work tomorrow.
Fuck off Ashwin.
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Jou naai, Chiili!!!


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average joe wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:13 pm Do you think he'll answer the call?
He must have, he's been called into the squad :grin:
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New Bok jersey is out:

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assfly wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:33 pm
average joe wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:13 pm Do you think he'll answer the call?
He must have, he's been called into the squad :grin:
Wrong brother though. We needed the one that can kick.
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assfly wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:52 am Image
This one is a bit of a facepalm.

The away jersey is only ever used against Ireland. Look what colour the new Ireland home jersey is.

It looks like there's been some marketing analysis that teal is the in colour. Great, we now have teal-ish jerseys for Ireland home and Boks away.

Our away jersey should be white with gold trim ffs.
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_Os_ wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 12:32 pm
assfly wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:52 am Image
This one is a bit of a facepalm.

The away jersey is only ever used against Ireland. Look what colour the new Ireland home jersey is.

It looks like there's been some marketing analysis that teal is the in colour. Great, we now have teal-ish jerseys for Ireland home and Boks away.

Our away jersey should be white with gold trim ffs.
There was some drive about dark and light kit for the colour blind at the world cup. Believe we would have to play most games with our away kit.
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