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Hoyle went on:

I find it totally unacceptable that, once again, we see Downing Street running roughshod over members of parliament. We’re not accepting it, and I’m at the stage where I’m beginning to look for other avenues, if they’re not going to treat this house seriously.

Hoyle also said he thought it was time for him to have a meeting with the prime minister to discuss this issue so that he could “actually put on the record, here and now, that this house matters”.

For many years there has been a convention in the House of Commons that major government announcements are made to MPs in the chamber first. It is even in the ministerial code (pdf), which says:

When parliament is in session, the most important announcements of government policy should be made in the first instance, in parliament.

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:51 pm The Speaker getting a bit fed up with thiss bunch by-passing the Commons and not making major announcements at the despatch box

Hoyle went on:

I find it totally unacceptable that, once again, we see Downing Street running roughshod over members of parliament. We’re not accepting it, and I’m at the stage where I’m beginning to look for other avenues, if they’re not going to treat this house seriously.

Hoyle also said he thought it was time for him to have a meeting with the prime minister to discuss this issue so that he could “actually put on the record, here and now, that this house matters”.

For many years there has been a convention in the House of Commons that major government announcements are made to MPs in the chamber first. It is even in the ministerial code (pdf), which says:

When parliament is in session, the most important announcements of government policy should be made in the first instance, in parliament.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:20 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:51 pm The Speaker getting a bit fed up with thiss bunch by-passing the Commons and not making major announcements at the despatch box

Hoyle went on:

I find it totally unacceptable that, once again, we see Downing Street running roughshod over members of parliament. We’re not accepting it, and I’m at the stage where I’m beginning to look for other avenues, if they’re not going to treat this house seriously.

Hoyle also said he thought it was time for him to have a meeting with the prime minister to discuss this issue so that he could “actually put on the record, here and now, that this house matters”.

For many years there has been a convention in the House of Commons that major government announcements are made to MPs in the chamber first. It is even in the ministerial code (pdf), which says:

When parliament is in session, the most important announcements of government policy should be made in the first instance, in parliament.

He's wasting his time talking to the monkey; he needs to talk to the organgrinder; Princess NutNut herself.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:42 pm The Morgan Report makes for grim reading for the Met Police. No wonder Patel wanted to delay and redact.

The report criticised police delays in giving access to a police sensitive database, called “Holmes”: “The panel has never received any reasonable explanation for the refusal over seven years by [then] Assistant Commissioner Dick and her successors to provide access to the Holmes accounts to the Daniel Morgan independent panel.”

This, the report says, “caused major delays and further unnecessary distress to the family of Daniel Morgan”.

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:21 pm What was that all about?

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:59 am

Normal island.

Dominic Cummings has published expletive-laden messages apparently from Boris Johnson, in which the PM brands the health secretary "hopeless".

Mr Cummings also published another private message about the struggle to procure ventilators for Covid-19 patients.

"It's Hancock. He has been hopeless," a contact appearing to be Mr Johnson replied on 27 March last year.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:12 pm I see Cummings is dropping bombshells about Hancock and Johnson.

Curiously silent on Cuddly Rishi and Visionary Gove.

Although in fairness to the odious little squit, his description of Johnson's style of chairing meetings rings true.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:17 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:12 pm I see Cummings is dropping bombshells about Hancock and Johnson.

Curiously silent on Cuddly Rishi and Visionary Gove.

Although in fairness to the odious little squit, his description of Johnson's style of chairing meetings rings true.

Don't forget his repeated boosting of psycho Raab

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:23 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:17 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:12 pm I see Cummings is dropping bombshells about Hancock and Johnson.

Curiously silent on Cuddly Rishi and Visionary Gove.

Although in fairness to the odious little squit, his description of Johnson's style of chairing meetings rings true.

Don't forget his repeated boosting of psycho Raab

It’s been a few hours, but no, still not biting.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:23 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:17 pm

Don't forget his repeated boosting of psycho Raab

It’s been a few hours, but no, still not biting.

Not everything is about you!

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:23 pm

It’s been a few hours, but no, still not biting.

Not everything is about you!

Mostly is.

But anyway, the accusation was a bit vague

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:23 pm

It’s been a few hours, but no, still not biting.

Not everything is about you!

Mostly is.

But anyway, the accusation was a bit vague

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:25 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07 pm
Not everything is about you!

Mostly is.

But anyway, the accusation was a bit vague

Which one? "Psycho Raab" isn't a nickname I came up with. And Cummings has repeatedly boosted both Sunak and Raab to a ridiculous extent - it's hilariously transparent. More so with the former given the logical cul-de-sac he had to run down to both criticise the anti lockdown wankers while at the same time refusing to mention that Sunak was the one who brought them in to sway Boris...

It's not a subtle game being played here.

Dogbert wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:27 pm Scottish Tories in Ayrshire demanding that they be stopped bring called Tories as its a derogatory word

Their official twitter handle @ScotTories

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:39 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:27 pm Scottish Tories in Ayrshire demanding that they be stopped bring called Tories as its a derogatory word

Their official twitter handle @ScotTories

I heard (or most correctly read on Wikipedia, so take that as it comes) that the word Tory comes from a middle Irish word meaning "robber" or "thief".
Whig comes from a Scottish insult for the Covenanters, it comes from a word for cattle drivers.


I know where I stand on the appropriateness of the words.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:57 am Decisions, decisions!!!
Should I agree with the PM that Hancock is hopeless or should I agree with the PM that we should have confidence in Hancock?
Either way he is unlikely to be Health Secretary after any reshuffle!

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:14 am

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:57 am Decisions, decisions!!!
Should I agree with the PM that Hancock is hopeless or should I agree with the PM that we should have confidence in Hancock?
Either way he is unlikely to be Health Secretary after any reshuffle!

I'd of thought he is safest of anyone in a reshuffle, they are not going to bow down to Cummings

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:27 am No, that's Cummings.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-on-china etc

Raab is a very guilty Brexit bullshitter who's made some ludicrous attempts to rewrite history, so I'm never going to like him. He may be competent compared to Boris and chums, but dishonesty is a huge issue.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:14 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:27 am No, that's Cummings.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-on-china etc

Raab is a very guilty Brexit bullshitter who's made some ludicrous attempts to rewrite history, so I'm never going to like him. He may be competent compared to Boris and chums, but dishonesty is a huge issue.

Yes, agree with that. He hasn't, and won't get caught up in the sleaze and corruption stuff though, so there is that

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:55 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:14 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:27 am No, that's Cummings.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-on-china etc

Raab is a very guilty Brexit bullshitter who's made some ludicrous attempts to rewrite history, so I'm never going to like him. He may be competent compared to Boris and chums, but dishonesty is a huge issue.

Yes, agree with that. He hasn't, and won't get caught up in the sleaze and corruption stuff though, so there is that

But he's continually turned a blind eye to the manifest corruption of the rest of scum around the Cabinet table; so he's just as culpable; even if he isn't stuffing the taxpayers cash in his own pockets !

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:37 am Incredible result in the Amersham & Chesham by election with the Libdems overturning a 23k majority to take it from the Tory’s.

It’s where I grew up and I never thought I’d see the day, even though it had a truly awful MP for many years

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:53 am I'm from the area, family there and spent a lot of time there. Surprised by the margin but everyone could see the result coming.

Lib Dems ran a very aggressive and smart campaign for the NIMBY vote, which couldn't have been timed better. HS2 works are currently going through the seat, partially because of that half the roads are roadworks right now. The main road between Chesham & Amersham had roadworks start last month that will go on until April next year, so everywhere is a car park.
I personally think HS2 is a good idea and obviously you can't not do roadworks, but they're really bloody irritating and making life hassle in the area.
Disappointingly, the Lib Dems have convinced people that any housebuilding in the area is a travesty and most people seem to agree. Funny thing for a Liberal party to stand on.

Brexit a factor in so much as it has loosened the ties that would normally have got people voting blue without thinking about it.

Planning reforms you'd imagine are dead which is a disaster, half the cabinet will be shitting bricks which is less so.