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boere wors wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:14 pm Finally coaches made changes in the backline and, quelle surprise, it worked. Frans, Elton...

Yep; happy to admit I was wrong about both of them. They shut me right up and I don’t mind one bit.

Unlucky NZ boets...

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:17 pm

boere wors wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:14 pm Finally coaches made changes in the backline and, quelle surprise, it worked. Frans, Elton...

And Herschel got 25 mins at last!

Yes and Herschel, he also played well

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:10 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:07 pm Fitting end. ABs offside repeatedly all game, called by the ref again and again. If they're too stupid to learn from it, then that's entirely on them.

Actually, I think they were cynically smart. They clearly decided that 3 was always going to be better than 5/7 and it was only when it reached precipice point the tactic could not work. It's why the yellow card is there but was never deployed. They played Carney brilliantly considering they were mullered at the breakdown.

Christ you are such a bitter obsessive fucker.

This two rivals needs to have a long tour again.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:13 pm Gotta give the Boks credit, that was the best, and smartest, they've played since the RWC Final.

Cheers Boet.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:08 pm Our forwards lost that match. Pitiful display

From mid-2H, the ABs just basically stopped competing at the ruck. Fucking disgraceful shower of shit.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:13 pm Gotta give the Boks credit, that was the best, and smartest, they've played since the RWC Final.

They deserved the win.

Great match to watch as a neutral. I say neutral but wanted NZ to win, then switched to SA when they started throwing it about (so that’s everyone in the world except the SA coaches who were correct) then back to NZ as the SA victimhood took control before half time (hope the water boy gets a couple of years ban, the twat), then back to SA at the start of the 2nd half as they came out positive again.

Thought the ref was brilliant for 3/4 of that match then a series of howlers in the last 20.

NZ get away with so many cynical “fouls”

Well done SA, pease keep playing positively

I didn't notice exactly... did Allende shift to wing after Elton came on for Nkosi?

How good was Frans Steyn. He had a massive impact with his boot, gained us crucial meters and momentum when it counted. We would never have won without him today. MOTM cameo!

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:40 pm Great match to watch as a neutral. I say neutral but wanted NZ to win, then switched to SA when they started throwing it about (so that’s everyone in the world except the SA coaches who were correct) then back to NZ as the SA victimhood took control before half time (hope the water boy gets a couple of years ban, the twat), then back to SA at the start of the 2nd half as they came out positive again.

Thought the ref was brilliant for 3/4 of that match then a series of howlers in the last 20.

NZ get away with so many cynical “fouls”

Well done SA, pease keep playing positively

As a neutral I wanted both teams to lose.

boere wors wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:22 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:17 pm

boere wors wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:14 pm Finally coaches made changes in the backline and, quelle surprise, it worked. Frans, Elton...

And Herschel got 25 mins at last!

Yes and Herschel, he also played well

Some of the gifts the ref came up with:
All Blacks try from the lineout, looked like a knock from Moody not 100% sure as there was no replay of it. 5 points to the ABs.
Frans makes a kick down the middle of the field, looked like he went for a drop and changed his mind, he then runs 60 metres to tackle/charge down the catcher, he pulls out of it after Barrett makes the kick, he couldn't avoid it more than he did he made one stride after the kick. Ref "you were in no position to charge down, late tackle" (he was literally in a position to stop the kick and made no tackle), penalty where the kick was made. 3 points to the ABs.
Frans tackles McKenzie, wins the ball in the tackle so it's McKenzie not rolling away penalty to the Boks. Ref says Frans didn't roll. 3 points to the ABs.

Carley isn't afraid of making massive calls. Well done to Carley for making another massive call at the end, other refs (Angus Gardner) would've chickened out. I was resigned to defeat by the end, could see the players were getting frustrated, I didn't even react to the win.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:36 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:08 pm Our forwards lost that match. Pitiful display

From mid-2H, the ABs just basically stopped competing at the ruck. Fucking disgraceful shower of shit.

Used to drive me mad about England when they would get turned over at rucks and our props were standing and waiting and looking on not 5m away……and then doing it again.

But well done SA. All the intensity and not kicking everything away. Really well balanced tactics.

boere wors wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:56 pm How good was Frans Steyn. He had a massive impact with his boot, gained us crucial meters and momentum when it counted. We would never have won without him today. MOTM cameo!

Huge step up

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:56 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:40 pm Great match to watch as a neutral. I say neutral but wanted NZ to win, then switched to SA when they started throwing it about (so that’s everyone in the world except the SA coaches who were correct) then back to NZ as the SA victimhood took control before half time (hope the water boy gets a couple of years ban, the twat), then back to SA at the start of the 2nd half as they came out positive again.

Thought the ref was brilliant for 3/4 of that match then a series of howlers in the last 20.

NZ get away with so many cynical “fouls”

Well done SA, pease keep playing positively

As a neutral I wanted both teams to lose.

That’s because you’re a prize plum

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:18 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:56 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:40 pm Great match to watch as a neutral. I say neutral but wanted NZ to win, then switched to SA when they started throwing it about (so that’s everyone in the world except the SA coaches who were correct) then back to NZ as the SA victimhood took control before half time (hope the water boy gets a couple of years ban, the twat), then back to SA at the start of the 2nd half as they came out positive again.

Thought the ref was brilliant for 3/4 of that match then a series of howlers in the last 20.

NZ get away with so many cynical “fouls”

Well done SA, pease keep playing positively

As a neutral I wanted both teams to lose.

That’s because you’re a prize plum

True for most neutrals up here though.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:23 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:18 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:56 pm



As a neutral I wanted both teams to lose.

That’s because you’re a prize plum

True for most neutrals up here though.

EYT starts in a few weeks.

Decided to risk spending £10 on a Now TV pass for this game and it was more than worth it. Nothing better than watching a quality test match whens its pssing down outside and your hungover.

ABs with the typical moments of brilliance and SA best they have being for ages with a varied menu of running and kicking.

When Frans started crazy celebrations before the kick was made I almost wanted to die before seeing the kick.....that was a huge vok you to the Mockers Gods

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:40 pm NZ get away with so many cynical “fouls”

Nahh. ymx says otherwise so must be so. After all, spiritual guardians and all that.

Sards wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:38 pm When Frans started crazy celebrations before the kick was made I almost wanted to die before seeing the kick.....that was a huge vok you to the Mockers Gods

If Jantjies had duffed that kick I would have shat my pants

sorCrer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:54 pm

Sards wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:38 pm When Frans started crazy celebrations before the kick was made I almost wanted to die before seeing the kick.....that was a huge vok you to the Mockers Gods

If Jantjies had duffed that kick I would have shat my pants

To be honest, I was so glad he was on the field, and it wasnt Polly who had the kicking duties.

Hard luck Kiwi Boets! It's really great to have you in a rebuilding phase. The McCaw years ground me down as a Bok supporter. That match reminded me of one of the Hagler/Duran/Hearns/Leonard fights. Ding! Its a war! Rocky music follows.

So happy for our skipper Siyamthanda Kolisi who has endured lots of carping and criticism (some of it justified) for his performances as a player. The turnaround in his game has just been incredible.

Lukhanyo Am's pass was amazing. He has played a part in almost all our backline tries since the world cup.

This match really was all about self belief. We could have imploded under pressure like Corne Krige did or when we lost against Japan. The big boys really stood up and were counted today. Eben Etzebeth had some freakish moments.

I was really thrilled to see an all african black front row do so well in a match like this. I hated Trevor Nyakane for a couple of seasons but he really seems to have put in the hard yards on the conditioning front. Bongi Mbonambi's bust up the middle and almost try was epic.

The way we won this match was probably more important than the victory itself.

Also after watching the highlights I noticed that Rieko gives DDA a little pat on the back after he scored his try. I've always been a little irritated by Rieko and his occasional NFL style trash talking. That little gesture was old-school sportsmanship.

Amazing game. We were beaten in the tight, beaten in the loose and beaten in the backs - and yet we held on till the last minute.

Congrats Boks - too good in this one.

Boks put away the delaying tactics, got some momentum and put us away. Let that be a lesson

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:27 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:23 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:18 pm

That’s because you’re a prize plum

True for most neutrals up here though.

EYT starts in a few weeks.

Yep, what’s the schedule for you guys?

Just had a peek here

https://www.autumn-internationals.co.uk/2021/

Autumn Internationals 2021 Fixtures
All kick-off times are shown in UK & Ireland time (with local time in brackets, where applicable).

WEEK 1
Saturday 30th October 2021
ScotlandTonga
Scotland v Tonga
BT Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
Kick-off: 2:30pm

WalesNew Zealand
Wales v New Zealand
Principality Stadium, Cardiff
Kick-off: 5:15pm

USAIreland
USA v Ireland
Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas
Match Cancelled



WEEK 2
Saturday 6th November 2021
IrelandJapan
Ireland v Japan
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Kick-off: 1:00pm

ItalyNew Zealand
Italy v New Zealand
Venue TBC
Kick-off: 1:00pm (2:00pm local)

EnglandTonga
England v Tonga
Twickenham Stadium, London
Kick-off: 3:15pm

WalesSouth Africa
Wales v South Africa
Principality Stadium, Cardiff
Kick-off: 5:30pm

FranceArgentina
France v Argentina
Stade de France, Paris
Kick-off: 8:00pm (9:00pm local)
Sunday 7th November 2021

ScotlandAustralia
Scotland v Australia
BT Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
Kick-off: 2:15pm

WEEK 3
Saturday 13th November 2021
ItalyArgentina
Italy v Argentina
Venue TBC
Kick-off: 1:00pm (2:00pm local)

ScotlandSouth Africa
Scotland v South Africa
BT Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
Kick-off: 1:00pm

IrelandNew Zealand
Ireland v New Zealand
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Kick-off: 3:15pm

EnglandAustralia
England v Australia
Twickenham Stadium, London
Kick-off: 5:30pm
Sunday 14th November 2021

FranceGeorgia
France v Georgia
Matmut Atlantique, Bordeaux
Kick-off: 1:00pm (2:00pm local)

WalesFiji
Wales v Fiji
Principality Stadium, Cardiff
Kick-off: 3:15pm



WEEK 4
Saturday 20th November 2021
ItalyUruguay
Italy v Uruguay
Venue TBC
Kick-off: 1:00pm (2:00pm local)

ScotlandJapan
Scotland v Japan
BT Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
Kick-off: 1:00pm

EnglandSouth Africa
England v South Africa
Twickenham Stadium, London
Kick-off: 3:15pm

WalesAustralia
Wales v Australia
Principality Stadium, Cardiff
Kick-off: 5:30pm

FranceNew Zealand
France v New Zealand
Stade de France, Paris
Kick-off: 8:00pm (9:00pm local)

Sunday 21st November 2021
IrelandArgentina
Ireland v Argentina
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Kick-off: 2:15pm

Week 4 looks like a cracker

1pm kick offs

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:11 pm 1pm kick offs

Minnows

All blacks just about got out of jail but we're absolutely beaten up in that second 40.

Scott Barrett again dumb penalties, but looking at the score now and realizing how many point pollard missed, boks could have bee out of sight.

Our tight forwards need a revamp, but the props are the best we have, and apart from. Whitelock would like to see Parkinson at lock.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:36 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:08 pm Our forwards lost that match. Pitiful display

From mid-2H, the ABs just basically stopped competing at the ruck. Fucking disgraceful shower of shit.

But why did they? Were they exhausted? Even the subs that came on? Surely a coaching issue... they didn't learn from last week.. still went wide before establishing any sort of platform up front. And then got destroyed at the breakdown... I hope Foster is spitting tacks... if not, we're in trouble for the long haul...

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:30 pm

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:36 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:08 pm Our forwards lost that match. Pitiful display

From mid-2H, the ABs just basically stopped competing at the ruck. Fucking disgraceful shower of shit.

But why did they? Were they exhausted? Even the subs that came on? Surely a coaching issue... they didn't learn from last week.. still went wide before establishing any sort of platform up front. And then got destroyed at the breakdown... I hope Foster is spitting tacks... if not, we're in trouble for the long haul...

Think I posted this in the other forum, but that is the 5th test where our second halves have been terrible. Most of those we got away with because we were so far ahead already.
2nd Fiji test
1st bled
2nd Argentina
Both boks games

Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:10 pmThink I posted this in the other forum, but that is the 5th test where our second halves have been terrible. Most of those we got away with because we were so far ahead already.
2nd Fiji test
1st bled
2nd Argentina
Both boks games

And it seems like only 5 minutes ago we were lamenting our poor starts.

Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:10 pm

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:30 pm

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:36 pm

From mid-2H, the ABs just basically stopped competing at the ruck. Fucking disgraceful shower of shit.

But why did they? Were they exhausted? Even the subs that came on? Surely a coaching issue... they didn't learn from last week.. still went wide before establishing any sort of platform up front. And then got destroyed at the breakdown... I hope Foster is spitting tacks... if not, we're in trouble for the long haul...

Think I posted this in the other forum, but that is the 5th test where our second halves have been terrible. Most of those we got away with because we were so far ahead already.
2nd Fiji test
1st bled
2nd Argentina
Both boks games

I can't believe it's a fitness issue.. so it must be a "staying focussed" issue...

When did the All Blacks last lose a test when being ahead at half time?

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:30 pm

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:36 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:08 pm Our forwards lost that match. Pitiful display

From mid-2H, the ABs just basically stopped competing at the ruck. Fucking disgraceful shower of shit.

But why did they? Were they exhausted? Even the subs that came on? Surely a coaching issue... they didn't learn from last week.. still went wide before establishing any sort of platform up front. And then got destroyed at the breakdown... I hope Foster is spitting tacks... if not, we're in trouble for the long haul...

It has to be coaching, in which case Foster is the biggest and most useless piece of crap ever to coach the ABs (after Vodanovich in 1970)

The consensus is our issues are up front, so I think forwards coach Plumtree and set piece coach Moar also need to shoulder a lot of the blame. Plumtree talks about the need for physicality and is fond of saying, "we know what to expect" before every test, but I'm starting to think he's just talking out his arse.