NPR

handyman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:00 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:59 pm

handyman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:45 pm Going to be interesting to see how England manufacture a loss from this position.

Don't think it will happen this time.

Are you 100% sure about that?

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:15 am Calm down England, I've got a ticket for Saturday.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:32 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:15 am Calm down England, I've got a ticket for Saturday.

You lucky bugger. I was just saying to the wife that one of the main things I miss about London is going to Tests regularly

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:51 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:32 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:15 am Calm down England, I've got a ticket for Saturday.

You lucky bugger. I was just saying to the wife that one of the main things I miss about London is going to Tests regularly

I go most years with a couple of mates to Trent Bridge. This is just fortunate - another friend had a spare for Saturday, so a day trip to Leeds

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:05 am Highly recommend Trent Bridge as a venue for test watching, excellent set up.
With the redevelopments even Headingley is looking a pretty pleasant place to watch cricket.

Forget the wickets, if an evenly matched opposition is drawing one more mistake per over than you, you have got the wrong end of the conditions. In this case, you chose it.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:12 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:05 am Highly recommend Trent Bridge as a venue for test watching, excellent set up.
With the redevelopments even Headingley is looking a pretty pleasant place to watch cricket.

TB was always my favourite for viewing.

Cricinfo has this right on yesterday:

Forget the wickets, if an evenly matched opposition is drawing one more mistake per over than you, you have got the wrong end of the conditions. In this case, you chose it.

I has assumed Eng won the toss until I found out otherwise in the evening. Up there with Wasim's Einstein moment to bat first against Aus in the WC final 1999.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:12 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:05 am Highly recommend Trent Bridge as a venue for test watching, excellent set up.
With the redevelopments even Headingley is looking a pretty pleasant place to watch cricket.

TB was always my favourite for viewing.

Cricinfo has this right on yesterday:

Forget the wickets, if an evenly matched opposition is drawing one more mistake per over than you, you have got the wrong end of the conditions. In this case, you chose it.

I has assumed Eng won the toss until I found out otherwise in the evening. Up there with Wasim's Einstein moment to bat first against Aus in the WC final 1999.

Of the 78 test matches held here, 29 teams won first batting and 31 won second batting, and 18 matches were drawn.

In the last 5 Test matches held here, the team batting first has won 2 matches and 3 matches was won by the team batting second.

duke wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:21 am It was a good toss to lose and Joe Root will be thanking his lucky stars he didn't have to choose

Stats are reasonably even, surprisingly, on the advantage/disadvantage of batting first at Headingley. Narrowly in favour of bowling first and not a gimme although more pronounced in the recent past.

Per Cricket Connected:

Of the 78 test matches held here, 29 teams won first batting and 31 won second batting, and 18 matches were drawn.

In the last 5 Test matches held here, the team batting first has won 2 matches and 3 matches was won by the team batting second.

Former England and Sussex captain Ted Dexter has died aged 86.

Nicknamed 'Lord Ted', Dexter was an aggressive batsman and useful seam bowler who played 62 Tests for England and was captain between 1961-1964. He led Sussex to victory in the first two editions of the limited-overs Gillette Cup and went on to make a surprise two-Test comeback in 1968.

In a statement, the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) described Dexter as "one of England's greatest ever cricketers".

"He was captain in 30 of his 62 Test matches and played the game with the same sense of adventure and fun that captures much of the story of his remarkable life."

The statement added that Dexter passed away peacefully in the Compton Hospice in Wolverhampton at midday on Wednesday, 25 August, surrounded by his family.

An attacking middle-order batsman, Dexter scored 4,502 runs at an average of 47.89 for England and took 66 wickets at 34.9.

He was renowned for the power with which he hit the ball and arguably his most famous innings was against the West Indies at Lord's in 1963 when he came in at 0-1 and smashed 70 off 73 deliveries. And six of his nine Test centuries were bigger than 140.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:50 am Solid stuff so far. Have to get a 200+ run lead

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:20 pm England should look to bat into tomorrow afternoon. Stick 500 on the board and then go hard at India. Aggressive field placements and constant pressure.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:30 pm

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:20 pm England should look to bat into tomorrow afternoon. Stick 500 on the board and then go hard at India. Aggressive field placements and constant pressure.

What I don’t understand, and this is a question not making a point, is why when England are 350 up with the bowlers coming in to bat they don’t just declare?

Why not give the bowlers a break from going in to bat and have a go at India for a few overs at the end?

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:25 am

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:30 pm

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:20 pm England should look to bat into tomorrow afternoon. Stick 500 on the board and then go hard at India. Aggressive field placements and constant pressure.

What I don’t understand, and this is a question not making a point, is why when England are 350 up with the bowlers coming in to bat they don’t just declare?

Why not give the bowlers a break from going in to bat and have a go at India for a few overs at the end?

I think they're right to be cautious - this Indian batting lineup could very feasibly leave us chasing a nervy 120ish and we've seen how we've batted most of this series.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:25 am

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:30 pm

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:20 pm England should look to bat into tomorrow afternoon. Stick 500 on the board and then go hard at India. Aggressive field placements and constant pressure.

What I don’t understand, and this is a question not making a point, is why when England are 350 up with the bowlers coming in to bat they don’t just declare?

Why not give the bowlers a break from going in to bat and have a go at India for a few overs at the end?

I think they're right to be cautious - this Indian batting lineup could very feasibly leave us chasing a nervy 120ish and we've seen how we've batted most of this series.

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:01 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:25 am

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:30 pm

What I don’t understand, and this is a question not making a point, is why when England are 350 up with the bowlers coming in to bat they don’t just declare?

Why not give the bowlers a break from going in to bat and have a go at India for a few overs at the end?

I think they're right to be cautious - this Indian batting lineup could very feasibly leave us chasing a nervy 120ish and we've seen how we've batted most of this series.

This Indian batting line up is not in the form - or conditions to allow it to get to a score of around 450-500 in their second innings. England could have declared last night and the match would be essentially over by Tea time today.

Yes England is prone to a collapse or 2 - but this match result isn't going to turn on the collapse of the English side this time. They have done the hard work by winning the first 2 days comfortably. Even taking into account England's ability to be a bit shite sometimes - it is very much a case of 'job done lads'.

If....IF....England find a way of losing this match - then they should be expelled from test cricket for a decade and every single person involved in the set up should be investigated for match fixing.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:03 am

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:01 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:25 am

I think they're right to be cautious - this Indian batting lineup could very feasibly leave us chasing a nervy 120ish and we've seen how we've batted most of this series.

This Indian batting line up is not in the form - or conditions to allow it to get to a score of around 450-500 in their second innings. England could have declared last night and the match would be essentially over by Tea time today.

Yes England is prone to a collapse or 2 - but this match result isn't going to turn on the collapse of the English side this time. They have done the hard work by winning the first 2 days comfortably. Even taking into account England's ability to be a bit shite sometimes - it is very much a case of 'job done lads'.

If....IF....England find a way of losing this match - then they should be expelled from test cricket for a decade and every single person involved in the set up should be investigated for match fixing.

England won three of the five days at Lords. India are very capable of a big score. They're also capable of an innings loss. Isn't test cricket great?

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:10 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:03 am

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:01 am

This Indian batting line up is not in the form - or conditions to allow it to get to a score of around 450-500 in their second innings. England could have declared last night and the match would be essentially over by Tea time today.

Yes England is prone to a collapse or 2 - but this match result isn't going to turn on the collapse of the English side this time. They have done the hard work by winning the first 2 days comfortably. Even taking into account England's ability to be a bit shite sometimes - it is very much a case of 'job done lads'.

If....IF....England find a way of losing this match - then they should be expelled from test cricket for a decade and every single person involved in the set up should be investigated for match fixing.

England won three of the five days at Lords. India are very capable of a big score. They're also capable of an innings loss. Isn't test cricket great?

Exactly this. When you've got a team by the balls you don't let go. Overton and Robinson can both bat, we could easily pile on another 50 or so here. Leave nothing to chance.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:10 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:03 am

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:01 am

This Indian batting line up is not in the form - or conditions to allow it to get to a score of around 450-500 in their second innings. England could have declared last night and the match would be essentially over by Tea time today.

Yes England is prone to a collapse or 2 - but this match result isn't going to turn on the collapse of the English side this time. They have done the hard work by winning the first 2 days comfortably. Even taking into account England's ability to be a bit shite sometimes - it is very much a case of 'job done lads'.

If....IF....England find a way of losing this match - then they should be expelled from test cricket for a decade and every single person involved in the set up should be investigated for match fixing.

England won three of the five days at Lords. India are very capable of a big score. They're also capable of an innings loss. Isn't test cricket great?

Exactly this. When you've got a team by the balls you don't let go. Overton and Robinson can both bat, we could easily pile on another 50 or so here. Leave nothing to chance.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:01 am
Exactly. This India side could easily score 550-600, leaving England to chase 150 on a fifth day Headingley pitch. If they'd been in that position at the end of day three, maybe. But leaving India two days to bat and a day to get you out? No.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:15 am Fwiw I think there is a strong argument for declaring rather than have Jimmy face.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:27 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:01 am
Exactly. This India side could easily score 550-600, leaving England to chase 150 on a fifth day Headingley pitch. If they'd been in that position at the end of day three, maybe. But leaving India two days to bat and a day to get you out? No.

Doubt it. How often has a side batting 2nd scored more than 400 at Headingley? Not saying it can't be done but "could easily score" is just silly.

Just checked and average 3rd innings score is ............. 240.

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:31 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:27 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:01 am
Exactly. This India side could easily score 550-600, leaving England to chase 150 on a fifth day Headingley pitch. If they'd been in that position at the end of day three, maybe. But leaving India two days to bat and a day to get you out? No.

Doubt it. How often has a side batting 2nd scored more than 400 at Headingley? Not saying it can't be done but "could easily score" is just silly.

Just checked and average 3rd innings score is ............. 240.

Anyone with tickets tomorrow will see England wrapping this match up comfortably.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:03 am
England won three of the five days at Lords. India are very capable of a big score. They're also capable of an innings loss. Isn't test cricket great?