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_Os_ wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:17 pm
boere wors wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:09 pm Completely agree with 1. Backrow selections are totally off for years now and are a problem for us. Our coaches start Kwagga at 6, 7 or 8 ffs
It worked with Mostert, who definitely proved me wrong. If he plays at his best and tackles and runs all match at max speed, he adds a lot. If he's coming off the bench and covering lock, he's adding there too. It then got out of hand and they started selecting any average backrow to do the same thing, cover ground and tackle. Kwagga Smith I've never rated much, but there's no way he's a blindside or eightman doesn't have the size (especially for eightman, the player needs to be able to pick and go from the back of the scrum making ground through heavy defence!), but he's acceptable at openside given the players they've picked and who has the experience now ... but Marcell Coetzee would've been a better investment in my book. Elstadt was capped, somehow. Wiese probably going to the RWC, not that impressive really, unconvinced he would stand out in the URC.

This will sound like an extreme statement (it's not, it makes complete sense), for the Boks given the level of interest among South Africans and talent available, if a player gets to around 10 to 20 caps and it's clear they're not in the conversation for at least being the best Bok in their position of that decade, then they need to be dropped and another player brought in.
Mostert is class, probably off the pace from playing in Japan at the moment. Although, as an openside he has never been as effective as at lock with his workrate. I would have looked at other guys at openside given the talent available, elrigh louw, JLdP... Yet our coaches persist with him or have even started Kwagga at 7. Who is fine coming off the bench against tired oppositions with his speed and poaching, but openside only.
Marcell Coetzee is a bit of a strange case. He wasnt really rated in SA, went to Europe and after a couple of years somehow became our prodigal son, only to return and fail again to leave an impression for the boks.
Wiese has been so heavily invested in for two years now and still gets test starts, but is absent most of the games. I would like to see us move on from him and would prefer Roos or try JLdP there, with Duane clearly still our no 1 eightman.
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Marcel was always broken when selection time came round.

I don't get your guys hate for Wiese. When he was first picked for the Boks, I thought "here we go again, another brain-dead thug that'll just cost us cards" but he proved me wrong. He was very disciplined, and he brought so much controlled physicality that we lacked at the time. He might be a bit off lately, but the guy practically singlehandedly won Tigers the 2022 Premiership. He was voted players player of the year this year and had a very good season.

Personally, I would have preferred Kriel over Kwagga too but not as a utility replacement. You guys seem to forget that Kwagga is just filling in for Captain fantastic. When Kolisi is back Kwagga moves back to sitting on the bench.
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I dont hate any player. Wiese is a great player for Tigers, but somehow he doesnt perform for the boks. Maybe the springboks style of play need something different at 8 than what Wiese brings, so its not his fault that he doesnt have the same impact as in the premiership.
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He was one of the better forwards in the Lions series. We probably would have lost the series if it was not for him.
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The one thing about being a Sharks supporter.
You realize Big names don't equal success. The B team is usually better than the A team because those players are playing to make a name and a living for their family. And...they are still disillusioned and have pride in the jersey. The name players are set for life already.
Me. I would risk the B team for the RWC and have a few prima Donna's as backup. But I don't have 50 million people on my back
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Sards wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:45 am The one thing about being a Sharks supporter.
You realize Big names don't equal success. The B team is usually better than the A team because those players are playing to make a name and a living for their family. And...they are still disillusioned and have pride in the jersey. The name players are set for life already.
Me. I would risk the B team for the RWC and have a few prima Donna's as backup. But I don't have 50 million people on my back
How did the Sharks CC team do in the CC? And how would the Sharks CC team have done in the URC? And how would the Sharks CC team have done in the Euro Champions Cup?

Great teams don't get made from selecting journeymen.
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Sards wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:03 pm Can't unsee it
:lol:
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Today is the day.
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boere wors wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:58 am I dont hate any player. Wiese is a great player for Tigers, but somehow he doesnt perform for the boks. Maybe the springboks style of play need something different at 8 than what Wiese brings, so its not his fault that he doesnt have the same impact as in the premiership.
Agree 100%. He just seems so limited, not at all what you would expect from a Bok 8.
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Wiese was outstanding for the Boks last year.

He's also not the only incumbent who is taking a while to find his form from last year.

We're just lucky that Thor has awoken from his slumber and looks primed for the world cup.
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assfly wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:26 am Wiese was outstanding for the Boks last year.

He's also not the only incumbent who is taking a while to find his form from last year.

We're just lucky that Thor has awoken from his slumber and looks primed for the world cup.
That's the thing, a fit Vermeulen has a lot more arrows in the quiver.
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We're fucked boys. Rumour is Pollard's not going.

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Am
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average joe wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:42 am We're fucked boys. Rumour is Pollard's not going.
People need to chill-out and give the best URC flyhalf from the last 2 years a chance. He'll come good with the boot.
Everywhere else he's already klarse. :thumbup:
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average joe wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:42 am We're fucked boys. Rumour is Pollard's not going.

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Am
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We got Libbok, Jesse Kriel and Marvin Orrie to replace them. No worries Boet.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:56 am
average joe wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:42 am We're fucked boys. Rumour is Pollard's not going.

Also

Am
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We got Libbok, Jesse Kriel and Marvin Orrie to replace them. No worries Boet.
Stomps to save the day.
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We're not winning the world cup without Pollard and Am.

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assfly wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:08 am We're not winning the world cup without Pollard and Am.

:sad:
Quitter!
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:56 am
average joe wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:42 am We're fucked boys. Rumour is Pollard's not going.

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Am
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We got Libbok, Jesse Kriel and Marvin Orrie to replace them. No worries Boet.
When you lot were arguing over loose forwards, I told you that we had enough talent there but if Pollard breaks, I'll start stressing. I'm stressing, we're in serous shit if he does not go.

Esterhuizen over Kriel
Marvellous Marvin. We have no other operator. Etzebeth, Snyman and Kleyn, too much same same.

I've said it before I'll say it again. Libbok will disappoint you.
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Sandstorm wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:03 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:56 am
average joe wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:42 am We're fucked boys. Rumour is Pollard's not going.

Also

Am
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We got Libbok, Jesse Kriel and Marvin Orrie to replace them. No worries Boet.
Stomps to save the day.
Dobson to tag along as advisor...
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average joe wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:19 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:56 am
average joe wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:42 am We're fucked boys. Rumour is Pollard's not going.

Also

Am
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We got Libbok, Jesse Kriel and Marvin Orrie to replace them. No worries Boet.
When you lot were arguing over loose forwards, I told you that we had enough talent there but if Pollard breaks, I'll start stressing. I'm stressing, we're in serous shit if he does not go.

Esterhuizen over Kriel
Marvellous Marvin. We have no other operator. Etzebeth, Snyman and Kleyn, too much same same.

I've said it before I'll say it again. Libbok will disappoint you.
Where is Sards when you need him.
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handyman wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:36 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:03 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:56 am
We got Libbok, Jesse Kriel and Marvin Orrie to replace them. No worries Boet.
Stomps to save the day.
Dobson to tag along as advisor...
If Rasnaber copy Dobson's running style, we may surprise. If they play high kick en charge kak, then they wont make the quarter finals
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When is the team announced? I'm finding nothing on any Bok and rugby social media.

Terrible if Pollard hasn't made it, could be us sunk. Libbok cannot carry us to a RWC win, anyone thinking that is out to lunch. Oom you're a madman. Out of those likely to be picked Willemse is a better bet, but he's still less than half a Pollard.

Am did go off injured against the Pumas, can only think that injury would prevent his selection. He was starting to get back to where we need him. Kriel is about half as good as him, and on defence/organising far less than half as good. Another huge loss.
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Pollard and Am out would really be bad. DDA and Kriel in the midfield would be a black hole. Wouldnt matter who plays 10 then.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:41 am If Rasnaber copy Dobson's running style, we may surprise.
In other words change the whole game plan two matches out from a RWC, take the squad we have, and take a mad gamble with it. One of the favourites going in, best to rip that all up and start playing sevens. People will be fucking surprised, they'll be surprised a favourite is falling apart.
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:41 am If they play high kick en charge kak, then they wont make the quarter finals
That's what wins test series and wins knockout comps. The "running rugby with no place kickers and scoring heaps of tries against massively strong defences, method of winning a RWC" doesn't exist.
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_Os_ wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:45 am When is the team announced? I'm finding nothing on any Bok and rugby social media.
14h30 on 211
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_Os_ wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:50 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:41 am If Rasnaber copy Dobson's running style, we may surprise.
In other words change the whole game plan two matches out from a RWC, take the squad we have, and take a mad gamble with it. One of the favourites going in, best to rip that all up and start playing sevens. People will be fucking surprised, they'll be surprised a favourite is falling apart.
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:41 am If they play high kick en charge kak, then they wont make the quarter finals
That's what wins test series and wins knockout comps. The "running rugby with no place kickers and scoring heaps of tries against massively strong defences, method of winning a RWC" doesn't exist.
They can mixitbut kicking in the opponents half is a vokop. Should be banned from rugby.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:53 am
_Os_ wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:45 am When is the team announced? I'm finding nothing on any Bok and rugby social media.
14h30 on 211
Baie dankie oom.

I am now ready for Ruan Pienaar being selected.
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_Os_ wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:58 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:53 am
_Os_ wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:45 am When is the team announced? I'm finding nothing on any Bok and rugby social media.
14h30 on 211
Baie dankie oom.

I am now ready for Ruan Pienaar being selected.
Can we bring Morne Steyn out of retirement?!
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Am we can do without if they go with Esterhuizen but if they go Donkey and Alphaville, not so much.
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average joe wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:32 pm Am we can do without if they go with Esterhuizen but if they go Donkey and Alphaville, not so much.
12 Esterhuizen 13 DDA could work
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We can replace Lood, but we don't have the quality yet to replace Pollard and Am.

Rassie and Nienaber will have to work some unexpected magic.
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boere wors wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:54 pm
average joe wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:32 pm Am we can do without if they go with Esterhuizen but if they go Donkey and Alphaville, not so much.
12 Esterhuizen 13 DDA could work
DDA at 13? No boet.
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handyman wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:55 pm
boere wors wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:54 pm
average joe wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:32 pm Am we can do without if they go with Esterhuizen but if they go Donkey and Alphaville, not so much.
12 Esterhuizen 13 DDA could work
DDA at 13? No boet.
DDA & kriel, Esterhuizen & Kriel? What makes you happy, boet?!
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Longest build up ever. We're getting on for and hour in and there's no names announced. :lol:
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1. Van Staden
2. Wiese
3. Esterhuizen
4. Orie
5. Snyman
6. Kleyn
7. Moodie

... I have no idea what order they're using here. Looks like Lood isn't going with those locks announced so far.
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Am, Pollard and du Toit out of the RWC?
Ouch if correct
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