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Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:35 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:30 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:14 am

You mean let's not mention the 1,350% increase in hate crimes against Jewish people because I don't have a problem with it

No, that's not what I meant, only an idiot would think that if I oppose crimes against one section of the world populace I support crimes against another - that should not be a difficult thing to understand.

I'm very open to reading about that very specific number, so please provide the source, I am not doubting it before reading it, I'm really not.


For the record, if there was one incident of hate crime on a march and at the next one there was 12, that would count as a 1100% increase

Oh FFS, it literally takes three seconds to do an internet search that comes up with hundreds of results. If you were interested in reading about the increase in antisemitism in your own country, you would have done so. The fact that you dismiss it as not a "real issue" says it all.

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with 533 hate incidents – including 19 physical assaults – recorded from 7 October to 20 October, in increase of 651% compared with the same period last year.

Of the incidents, 31 were attacks on Jewish property. Three-quarters were online, including threats; 35 were at schools and 45 at universities.

The Union of Jewish Students said some young people had stopped wearing items that may identify them as being Jewish, while others had received death threats and virulent antisemitic abuse

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This was in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas atrocities, even before the invasion of Gaza that is now used as an excuse.

The fact that 90% of Jews are too scared to go into London when these marches are taking place will also no doubt be dismissed as them being irrational. Instead, everyone has to support ceasefire to stop a fake genocide against a population of whom 70% support Hamas. Otherwise they are bad people.

Unfortunately for those posters who don't believe Israel has a right to exist, the rise in antisemitism in the West has brought home to many Jews the importance of having their own State, meaing more financial support and more people considering making aliyah

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:13 amPerhaps it's fear and ignorance, it usually is, yeah?

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:35 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:30 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:14 am

You mean let's not mention the 1,350% increase in hate crimes against Jewish people because I don't have a problem with it

No, that's not what I meant, only an idiot would think that if I oppose crimes against one section of the world populace I support crimes against another - that should not be a difficult thing to understand.

I'm very open to reading about that very specific number, so please provide the source, I am not doubting it before reading it, I'm really not.


For the record, if there was one incident of hate crime on a march and at the next one there was 12, that would count as a 1100% increase

Oh FFS, it literally takes three seconds to do an internet search that comes up with hundreds of results. If you were interested in reading about the increase in antisemitism in your own country, you would have done so. The fact that you dismiss it as not a "real issue" says it all.

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with 533 hate incidents – including 19 physical assaults – recorded from 7 October to 20 October, in increase of 651% compared with the same period last year.

Of the incidents, 31 were attacks on Jewish property. Three-quarters were online, including threats; 35 were at schools and 45 at universities.

The Union of Jewish Students said some young people had stopped wearing items that may identify them as being Jewish, while others had received death threats and virulent antisemitic abuse

.

This was in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas atrocities, even before the invasion of Gaza that is now used as an excuse.

The fact that 90% of Jews are too scared to go into London when these marches are taking place will also no doubt be dismissed as them being irrational. Instead, everyone has to support ceasefire to stop a fake genocide against a population of whom 70% support Hamas. Otherwise they are bad people.

Unfortunately for those posters who don't believe Israel has a right to exist, the rise in antisemitism in the West has brought home to many Jews the importance of having their own State, meaing more financial support and more people considering making aliyah

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:18 pm I am unashamedly working class or one of lower classes YMX hates and fears so much.
What a strange individual. Calling posters lower class as an insult is quite amazing.
Especially as it was a deflecting tactic.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:24 am

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:18 pm I am unashamedly working class or one of lower classes YMX hates and fears so much.
What a strange individual. Calling posters lower class as an insult is quite amazing.
Especially as it was a deflecting tactic.

I’m sorry for calling you a pikey. I won’t do it again.

You are a filthy bogan scrote.

SaintK wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:59 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:24 am

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:18 pm I am unashamedly working class or one of lower classes YMX hates and fears so much.
What a strange individual. Calling posters lower class as an insult is quite amazing.
Especially as it was a deflecting tactic.

I’m sorry for calling you a pikey. I won’t do it again.

You are a filthy bogan scrote.

You really are a massive cunt and no mistake

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:46 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:43 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:40 pm

Pikey is not a reference to a race, it’s an unsavoury lifestyle.

Still struggling with the language since you came to these shores, then?

I was invoking the second definition there in relation to C69

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:11 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:35 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:30 am


No, that's not what I meant, only an idiot would think that if I oppose crimes against one section of the world populace I support crimes against another - that should not be a difficult thing to understand.

I'm very open to reading about that very specific number, so please provide the source, I am not doubting it before reading it, I'm really not.


For the record, if there was one incident of hate crime on a march and at the next one there was 12, that would count as a 1100% increase

Oh FFS, it literally takes three seconds to do an internet search that comes up with hundreds of results. If you were interested in reading about the increase in antisemitism in your own country, you would have done so. The fact that you dismiss it as not a "real issue" says it all.

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with 533 hate incidents – including 19 physical assaults – recorded from 7 October to 20 October, in increase of 651% compared with the same period last year.

Of the incidents, 31 were attacks on Jewish property. Three-quarters were online, including threats; 35 were at schools and 45 at universities.

The Union of Jewish Students said some young people had stopped wearing items that may identify them as being Jewish, while others had received death threats and virulent antisemitic abuse

.



This was in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas atrocities, even before the invasion of Gaza that is now used as an excuse.

The fact that 90% of Jews are too scared to go into London when these marches are taking place will also no doubt be dismissed as them being irrational. Instead, everyone has to support ceasefire to stop a fake genocide against a population of whom 70% support Hamas. Otherwise they are bad people.

Unfortunately for those posters who don't believe Israel has a right to exist, the rise in antisemitism in the West has brought home to many Jews the importance of having their own State, meaing more financial support and more people considering making aliyah

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:29 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:20 am Good post Lemonhead

Agreed. The "they've been fighting for millennia" brigade ignore the fact that this isn't purely a religious conflict. It's also a Western style colonisation/land grab conflict.

I've come around to the view that the two state solution won't work because Israel will never let it work. That leaves a one state rainbow nation solution as the remaining option.

Sure that means no more "Jewish state for a Jewish people" but like the Protestants in NI, they had their chance and fücked it up

Hugo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:10 am

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:41 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:35 am

Unfortunately for those posters who don't believe Israel has a right to exist,

No-one has said that. No-one in here is anywhere near close to that view.


You.
Have.
No.
Credibility.

He doesn't act in good faith. Its all strawmen & gaslighting.

Nevermind the "fake genocide" in Gaza will none of the antisemites on the bored spare a thought for all the Jews in London?

I just can't take him seriously, like you said, 0 credibility.

Am I anti-Israel? 100%. I do not acknowledge the right for an illegal state to exist any more than I acknowledge Russia's ownership of the Crimea, Germany's ownership of the Sudentenland (or any other "Liebensraum").

They have shown us over the last ...fucking forever..they are a blood thirsty murderous people who can all just fuck off.

Palistinain people have every single right to attack, hate and fuck up as many israelies as possible.

White supremacist Zionist, aparthied loving pricks need to be removed from this earth, en mass..

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:20 pm Cherry picking lines and phrases with no context is stock in trade for you Calculon.

No credibility.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:24 am You’re making stuff up again. Not one person here has questioned Israel’s right to exist.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:49 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:10 am

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:41 am

No-one has said that. No-one in here is anywhere near close to that view.


You.
Have.
No.
Credibility.

He doesn't act in good faith. Its all strawmen & gaslighting.

Nevermind the "fake genocide" in Gaza will none of the antisemites on the bored spare a thought for all the Jews in London?

I just can't take him seriously, like you said, 0 credibility.

cant be arsed to spend time looking through this thread but as well as uncle festers "no more Jewish state, they had their chance and fücked it up" these came up with a quick search

Am I anti-Israel? 100%. I do not acknowledge the right for an illegal state to exist any more than I acknowledge Russia's ownership of the Crimea, Germany's ownership of the Sudentenland (or any other "Liebensraum").

and from another poster

They have shown us over the last ...fucking forever..they are a blood thirsty murderous people who can all just fuck off.

Palistinain people have every single right to attack, hate and fuck up as many israelies as possible.

White supremacist Zionist, aparthied loving pricks need to be removed from this earth, en mass..

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:53 pm
Let’s just put these together, as some are struggling to connect.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:27 pm Fair enough, calculon did unearth two posts, one from last October from Torque, who hasn't posted for months now. I can follow his reasoning but I don't agree with it. The full context of his post was that he was talking about setting up the Israeli state was bound to end up with what is happening now.

The second was from Refry from early last December, and, well, Refry. He hasn't posted for months now either.

I'll leave it for Fester to respond himself.


As for this

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:53 pm
Let’s just put these together, as some are struggling to connect.

Get tae fuck ya prick.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:27 pm Fair enough, calculon did unearth two posts, one from last October from Torque, who hasn't posted for months now. I can follow his reasoning but I don't agree with it. The full context of his post was that he was talking about setting up the Israeli state was bound to end up with what is happening now.

The second was from Refry from early last December, and, well, Refry. He hasn't posted for months now either.

I'll leave it for Fester to respond himself.


As for this

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:53 pm
Let’s just put these together, as some are struggling to connect.

Get tae fuck ya prick.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:19 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:27 pm Fair enough, calculon did unearth two posts, one from last October from Torque, who hasn't posted for months now. I can follow his reasoning but I don't agree with it. The full context of his post was that he was talking about setting up the Israeli state was bound to end up with what is happening now.

The second was from Refry from early last December, and, well, Refry. He hasn't posted for months now either.

I'll leave it for Fester to respond himself.


As for this

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:53 pm
Let’s just put these together, as some are struggling to connect.

Get tae fuck ya prick.

Your angry posting is fricken hilarious

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:13 pm Fucking stupid ringpiece, really, how many fucking times do I have to explain this?

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:25 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:13 pm Fucking stupid ringpiece, really, how many fucking times do I have to explain this?

This one is my favourite outburst so far. (When you were defending Hamas numbers).

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:29 pm What do you expect? He's a moron who makes race based jokes. He'll eventually go full MAGA, that's how the process goes with these clowns.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:13 pm I don't think the Hamas numbers will prove to be correct at the end of all this and I don't believe the numbers or explanations you seem to put great stock in which come from the Israeli government.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:52 pm However, before I do, I checked to see if I was "defending Hamas' numbers" in that post, this is what I actually wrote in there - the link to it is there via the arrow if it needs checking

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:13 pm I don't think the Hamas numbers will prove to be correct at the end of all this and I don't believe the numbers or explanations you seem to put great stock in which come from the Israeli government.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:52 pm However, before I do, I checked to see if I was "defending Hamas' numbers" in that post, this is what I actually wrote in there - the link to it is there via the arrow if it needs checking

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:13 pm I don't think the Hamas numbers will prove to be correct at the end of all this and I don't believe the numbers or explanations you seem to put great stock in which come from the Israeli government.

After your desperation to lie about the data scientist report and say it hinged on a single factor of linearity.

We got you there in the end, indeed.

Britain’s statistics watchdog to examine Hamas’s Gaza death toll figures

MP says more care should have been taken in accepting reports as terrorist group admits it has ‘incomplete data’ on a third of deaths
Camilla Turner,
SUNDAY POLITICAL EDITOR
20 April 2024 • 5:10pm

110
Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis, Gaza
The British statistics watchdog is examining fresh claims that death toll figures from Hamas cannot be trusted.

The UK Statistics Authority is assessing whether casualty data provided by the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza should be relied on.

Now Sir Michael Ellis KC, the former attorney general, has written to the UK Statistics Authority to alert it to an admission by Hamas that it has “incomplete data” on a third of Gazan deaths.

He cautioned that these figures could not be trusted – particularly given the recent acknowledgement by Hamas that 11,371 of the fatalities it has claimed to date have only partial records.

This makes up roughly a third of the deaths it has recorded since the start of the Israel-Gaza war.

In a statistical report published on April 6, the Hamas-run health ministry said it considered an individual record to be incomplete if it was missing any one of these key data points: identity number, full name, date of birth or date of death.

‘Reports should not be automatically accepted’
Sir Michael told The Sunday Telegraph: “Any casualty of war is a tragedy. But it is important to recognise that Hamas is a vicious terrorist organisation and their reports should not be automatically accepted and repeated as the unquestioned truth.

“Several academics have already pointed out that the statistics are unreliable. Now Hamas itself has questioned the accuracy of their own casualty figures meaning they may have been overestimated by more than a third. I look forward to hearing from the UK stats authority with its professional assessment of this matter.”

According to the Hamas-run health ministry, more than 33,000 Palestinians have been killed and 76,000 have been wounded in Gaza during the current conflict. The terrorist group’s figures do not differentiate between civilians and combatants.


Israel has said it killed some 13,000 Hamas members in Gaza fighting, in addition to 1,000 killed inside Israel in the aftermath of the terror group’s Oct 7 invasion and massacre.

Israel insists it is only bombing military targets in Gaza and says it goes to great lengths to minimise civilian casualties. It has defended its air campaign as a legitimate response to Hamas’s attack on its civilians.

‘More care should have been taken’
Andrew Percy, a Conservative MP, said: “For months now, civil society, the BBC and politicians on all sides have parroted the figures from Hamas as if they are fact.

“Despite many of us warning that these figures are highly questionable and pointing to Hamas’s previous misuse and lies and casualty figures in the conflict.

“The fact that even Hamas are now accepting that their figures are inflated shows why more care should have been taken by politicians, the media and others.”

Hamas’s admission on the inaccuracy of its casualty data was highlighted by Foundation for Defence of Democracies (FDD), a Washington think-tank.

David Adesnik, director of research at FDD, said: “It is important to recognise that Hamas is deeply invested in shaping the narrative that emerges from Gaza, particularly regarding the number of casualties in the war.”

Prior to its admissions of incomplete data, the health ministry asserted that the information in more than 15,000 fatality records had stemmed from “reliable media sources.” However, the ministry never identified the sources in question and Gaza has no independent media.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:22 am So what's that, 10 to 15k of civilian casualties after more than 6 moths of fighting in one of the most densely populated areas of the world and with an enemy that uses it's own people as human shields, in fact they actively encourage their "martyrdom"

The yanks killed more than 100 000 Japanese in one night of bombing but I don't remember anyone accusing them of a genocide

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:31 am Hypothetically, should that bring the death tally to 21k or as low as 17k, with 13k Hamas killed, that would make it the lowest civilian casualty ratio ever. < 8k civilians.

Even at (32k) 13k and 19k, it was low.

Let’s see what the UKSA find. On top of the previous data scientist who discredited the numbers.

Mark Dubowitz (born 11 September 1968) is a South African-born Canadian-American attorney and former venture capitalist, currently serving as CEO of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a non-profit think-tank and lobbying institute part of the Israel lobby in the United States, that advocates for hawkish foreign policy.[1][2][3][4] He is a proponent of sanctions against Iran[5] and was a leading critic of the Iran nuclear agreement, officially called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

Tilly Orifice wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:54 am

if you accept that Israeli strikes are causing thousands of civilian casualties, then it's in the interests of Hamas to be seen to be reporting what's happening reliably.
And it's in Israel's interest to lie.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:45 am good point, the figures from Hamas are the reliable ones

Tilly Orifice wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:54 am

if you accept that Israeli strikes are causing thousands of civilian casualties, then it's in the interests of Hamas to be seen to be reporting what's happening reliably.
And it's in Israel's interest to lie.

great logic here

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:45 am good point, the figures from Hamas are the reliable ones

Tilly Orifice wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:54 am

if you accept that Israeli strikes are causing thousands of civilian casualties, then it's in the interests of Hamas to be seen to be reporting what's happening reliably.
And it's in Israel's interest to lie.

great logic here

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:29 am Nothing really. Well, except the reports of the numbers being inaccurate. Deaths = hospital records + “reliable media sources”.

And it even being said by Hamas, the data is inaccurate.

So not much.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:34 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:29 am Nothing really. Well, except the reports of the numbers being inaccurate. Deaths = hospital records + “reliable media sources”.

And it even being said by Hamas, the data is inaccurate.

So not much.

I was under he impression that historically the data was considered accurate even by the Israelis.
Can you post why exactly you feel the data is incorrect .
Other than ...but Hamas

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:37 am

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:34 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:29 am Nothing really. Well, except the reports of the numbers being inaccurate. Deaths = hospital records + “reliable media sources”.

And it even being said by Hamas, the data is inaccurate.

So not much.

I was under he impression that historically the data was considered accurate even by the Israelis.
Can you post why exactly you feel the data is incorrect .
Other than ...but Hamas

It’s been quite covered.

Are you ok?

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:29 am Nothing really. Well, except the reports of the numbers being inaccurate. Deaths = hospital records + “reliable media sources”.

And it even being said by Hamas, the data is inaccurate.

So not much.