NPR

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:32 pm

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:31 pm Boks really losing the plot.

Too many penalties. Bad kicks not getting chased/contested.

Poor set piece execution.

Yup.

Shows the difference between training & a test; & lets not pretend this isn't the 1st full test.

Big no arms in midfield there

Scrum halves dummying at the base/maul annoys the hell out of me. The ref's nearly always give them a warning too, like they don't bloody remember from being told not to do it in the previous 20 weeks.

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:34 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:12 pm Elstadt is such a donkey

There are very few players I genuinely despise, but he is very high on the list.

Smashed into the same maul twice with his shoulder. Twat.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:34 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:32 pm

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:31 pm Boks really losing the plot.

Too many penalties. Bad kicks not getting chased/contested.

Poor set piece execution.

Yup.

Shows the difference between training & a test; & lets not pretend this isn't the 1st full test.

I mean we could pretend it is but both sides missing plenty players that will be starting in 10 days for the actual series that SA will win.

Both 9s are kicking like drunken mules.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:36 pm Scrum halves dummying at the base/maul annoys the hell out of me. The ref's nearly always give them a warning too, like they don't bloody remember from being told not to do it in the previous 20 weeks.

Used to be the signature move of Richard Hill the elder, followed by pointing at whichever donkey had fallen for it and stepped offside.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:36 pm Scrum halves dummying at the base/maul annoys the hell out of me. The ref's nearly always give them a warning too, like they don't bloody remember from being told not to do it in the previous 20 weeks.

There are a number of laws that I find puzzling and this is one of them. Why not allow a scrumhalf to dummy and mess with the defense?

Marx is a beast

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:36 pm Scrum halves dummying at the base/maul annoys the hell out of me. The ref's nearly always give them a warning too, like they don't bloody remember from being told not to do it in the previous 20 weeks.

For all the praise Nige got for addressing 'soccer' antics and the like, not even he (maybe once in all the matches I saw him blow) gives straight pens/fks for stuff like this, including cheeky comments/back chat, etc. It's a verbal warning(s), at best. These things have been in the laws forever.

I joke about it a lot, but it does seem like refs want to be the players' buddy giving the inches the players make miles out of... probably would ask the ref if he can do their homework as well!

Boks really need to ratchet things up now. Match is slipping away and momentum can shift quickly in the last quarter.

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:43 pm Boks really need to ratchet things up now. Match is slipping away and momentum can shift quickly in the last quarter.

Nah, Lions had their chances earlier. Once you stopped that it broke the momentum.

Very thick pen to give away.

Marx is class

ahem

Faf just kicking away possession and momentum. Like we did against Japan in Japan. Horrible to watch.

Happy with Van Staden’s outing. Solid replacement for Flouw on the Bomb Squad bench.

Don’t think Dweba cracked the starting 23 ahead of Bongi and Marx, but he is a solid backup hooker. Took his opportunity well.

Can we PLEASE kick Elstadt to the curb now. He can’t replace PSDT at blindside, and he isn’t a very good lock either. He just concedes penalties. NJvR has already shown more in 2 carries than Elstadt in his last 2 Bok outings.

Niegs wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:41 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:36 pm Scrum halves dummying at the base/maul annoys the hell out of me. The ref's nearly always give them a warning too, like they don't bloody remember from being told not to do it in the previous 20 weeks.

For all the praise Nige got for addressing 'soccer' antics and the like, not even he (maybe once in all the matches I saw him blow) gives straight pens/fks for stuff like this, including cheeky comments/back chat, etc. It's a verbal warning(s), at best. These things have been in the laws forever.

I joke about it a lot, but it does seem like refs want to be the players' buddy giving the inches the players make miles out of... probably would ask the ref if he can do their homework as well!

When I reffed kids games, I used to march them back ten, or reverse decisions if I got lip; & I'd like to see it used way more often when it's adults on the pitch

Watson still hobbling about. Not sure this is wise.

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:44 pm

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:43 pm Boks really need to ratchet things up now. Match is slipping away and momentum can shift quickly in the last quarter.

Nah, Lions had their chances earlier. Once you stopped that it broke the momentum.

Boks have not scored in the second half.

Our backline is disjointed and all out workhorse forwards have been subbed

Daly has played his best game at fullback for years.

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:51 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:44 pm

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:43 pm Boks really need to ratchet things up now. Match is slipping away and momentum can shift quickly in the last quarter.

Nah, Lions had their chances earlier. Once you stopped that it broke the momentum.

Boks have not scored in the second half.

Our backline is disjointed and all out workhorse forwards have been subbed

Kick kick kick. Rassie’s tactics are eye-bleedingly ugly.

Stop kicking away possession you clowns

Coaching video tackle that !

Lessons learned on both sides.

Nice wee insight for both who will be much better a week on Saturday.

Very disappointed in Morne Steyn today.
Shows some evolution in his game on his rerun to the Bulls, but none of that on display today.

Yes, service was slow and linespeed was good, but still. Disappointing.

Faf too. Failed to regulate tempo, poor execution on kicks…and a yellow card to boot.

Peyper determined not to give a penalty here.

Can always rely on a sweaty.

Second half a bit disappointing after the first tbh. Was a bit of a shit show for a lot of that.

Damian Willemse to the rescue

I can't believe we've reached the point where Ali Price is the beat Lions 9 on tour.

Really good game. Plenty of mistakes, and I'm sure a lot of tactics held back on both sides.

Top Tier Performers

Itoje
Curry
Watson

Mid Tier (did ok)
Front 5
LRZ
Navidi
Daley

Poor

Falatau
Aki
Harris

Ben Youngs level

Farrell
Murray

both should not be anywhere near the test team

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:02 pm I can't believe we've reached the point where Ali Price is the beat Lions 9 on tour.

In fairness he's been great considering I'd have had him as 3rd choice at Glasgow

Rassie was fiddling around here...trying different pressure situations.

Mostert, Marx, Am and Kolbe excellent. The majority of the rest looked very rusty.
Elstadt is an embarrassment.
Faf’s best 10 minutes were in the bin.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:05 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:02 pm I can't believe we've reached the point where Ali Price is the beat Lions 9 on tour.

In fairness he's been great considering I'd have had him as 3rd choice at Glasgow

He has been good.

Hmm, well, great to have a decent game, really enjoyed it.

What do we take from it?

Front 5 seems, surprisingly, pretty even. Wyn Jones had a good game. The front rows that didn’t play for the Lions probably still the starters despite some good displays. Looks like the test 2nd row.

Back row. Navidi really good, Curry fine. Did we have an 8? I’d have Watson and 2 others

At least we know who our half backs shouldn’t be.

Harris starts.

No idea about the rest. If Hogg is fit he plays. LRZ was better than expected but still wouldn’t have him starting

Not a good game, but I’m sure both coaches learned more from this match than any of the other warmups.
Exposed a lot of weaknesses.

Boks will need to up the aggression and physicality. Lions won’t be able to handle it, but need to seriously cut down the penalties. Can’t let all that work go to waste and lose all that momentum.

Scrums are a worry. We need Frans Malherbe back stat.

Morne might not be a good backup for Pollard after all. Big worry at 10.

Missing Duane Vermeulen a lot. Wiese has been so-so. I’d actually not mind starting a MvS, PSDT, Kolisi trio in the test.

Van Staden, Janse van Rensburg and Dweba all took their opportunities well. Made a good impression.

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:03 pm Top Tier Performers

Itoje
Curry
Watson

Mid Tier (did ok)
Front 5
LRZ
Navidi

Poor

Falatau
Aki
Harris

Ben Youngs level

Farrell
Murray

both should not be anywhere near the test team

I'd have slight variation

LRZ at good
Harris mid tier+
Currie at Poor/meathead

Single out Farrell as 'shout at screen' poor.

Other than that I'd agree

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:07 pm
Front 5 seems, surprisingly, pretty even.

Word. Scrums were basically a non-event.