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Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:14 pm**

La soule wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:15 am As you probably guess, I watched quite a few games of Toulouse and not only the last 2 games when the team has been under extreme pressure and played very little rugby due to Covid etc...

You are on the hyperbole again.

NTamack is more composed and his overall game management is better.

You like flash and that's fine too. They are both excellent players.

Wasps and Cardiff were not the last 2 games. Note that Toulouse now has the worst record in T14 for the last 5 games and (I think) are on a 6 game losing streak including the Wasps game? I suspect this is some kind of record in the modern era for them?

I don't know why you type the bit in red because that's absolutely not what I've ever liked at FH (especially) and that goes all the way back to Deylaud.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:34 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:11 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:08 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 6:54 pm It’s tough to be a French fan even with a wining team.

Oh and Gardner still is a shit ref.
Hand 14 points to the opposition. Yes, that takes the gloss off severely.
Yip thats why I think you should have won easily.

You gifted Ireland 14 points

You were far far superior.
The score flatters Ireland

I agree. France as usual getting in their own way but by golly they have got their money’s worth form Shaun Edwards.

Great game to watch.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:58 pm**

Interesting because many pundits expressed their admiration for Ntamack's management of the game again after the Irish match.

As far as I am concerned however, the current weak link is Jalibert. Thankfully, his kicking off the tee is world class, but so far, I am still not convinced he is at the right level for an international fullback. We were lucky that the ref decided to wrap him in wool and penalised an Irish player for something that wasn't really a fault in my view. It made life easier under the high ball for Jalibert who had been wobbly.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:03 pm**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:58 pm Interesting because many pundits expressed their admiration for Ntamack's management of the game again after the Irish match.

As far as I am concerned however, the current weak link is Jalibert. Thankfully, his kicking off the tee is world class, but so far, I am still not convinced he is at the right level for an international fullback. We were lucky that the ref decided to wrap him in wool and penalised an Irish player for something that wasn't really a fault in my view. It made life easier under the high ball for Jalibert who had been wobbly.

You mean Melvyn ?
It looked to me like the Irish were collision happy on the kick landing area. (got away with it once or twice then got the ref a bit irate)

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:06 pm**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:58 pm Interesting because many pundits expressed their admiration for Ntamack's management of the game again after the Irish match.

As far as I am concerned however, the current weak link is Jalibert. Thankfully, his kicking off the tee is world class, but so far, I am still not convinced he is at the right level for an international fullback. We were lucky that the ref decided to wrap him in wool and penalised an Irish player for something that wasn't really a fault in my view. It made life easier under the high ball for Jalibert who had been wobbly.

I assume you mean Jaminet and not Jalibert? In which case, yes, he does look vulnerable under a high ball. However, name me one French FB since Sadourny who did not? Only Dulin for a short period a year plus back suddenly looked like he could catch a ball.......... before reverting to type this season. The irony here is that if Jaminet was not in the side, there is NO way Ntamack could be selected because his dead ball kicking simply isn't good enough (France would have lost on Saturday if Ntamack was the kicker). Which is why Ramos does it for Toulouse. And that's another irony, with Jaminet going to ST, Ramos looks like he will be spending much time riding the pine.

FWIW, Jaminet is only 22/23, was playing Pro2 until last season and is in one of the weakest sides in T14. To have got to where he is is miraculous**. He has time to improve. Lots. And anyway, there is no better option.

** I have to concede kudos to the coaching staff for having the nous/guts to select him at all. I certainly did not see that coming even after his stellar performances in Pro2.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:24 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:14 pm
La soule wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:15 am As you probably guess, I watched quite a few games of Toulouse and not only the last 2 games when the team has been under extreme pressure and played very little rugby due to Covid etc...

You are on the hyperbole again.

NTamack is more composed and his overall game management is better.

You like flash and that's fine too. They are both excellent players.
Wasps and Cardiff were not the last 2 games. Note that Toulouse now has the worst record in T14 for the last 5 games and (I think) are on a 6 game losing streak including the Wasps game? I suspect this is some kind of record in the modern era for them?

I don't know why you type the bit in red because that's absolutely not what I've ever liked at FH (especially) and that goes all the way back to Deylaud.

Worst run since 2014 I believe.

Jalibert is more individualistic than Ntamack in my opinion. Again, both are good players and as Laurent pointed out, I know you are not FF.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:58 pm**

La soule wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:24 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:14 pm
La soule wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:15 am As you probably guess, I watched quite a few games of Toulouse and not only the last 2 games when the team has been under extreme pressure and played very little rugby due to Covid etc...

You are on the hyperbole again.

NTamack is more composed and his overall game management is better.

You like flash and that's fine too. They are both excellent players.
Wasps and Cardiff were not the last 2 games. Note that Toulouse now has the worst record in T14 for the last 5 games and (I think) are on a 6 game losing streak including the Wasps game? I suspect this is some kind of record in the modern era for them?

I don't know why you type the bit in red because that's absolutely not what I've ever liked at FH (especially) and that goes all the way back to Deylaud.
Worst run since 2014 I believe.

Jalibert is more individualistic than Ntamack in my opinion. Again, both are good players and as Laurent pointed out, I know you are not FF.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:40 pm**

Why am I not surprised.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:46 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:40 pm Why am I not surprised.

Torque would tell you Ntamack had no idea what he was doing. It was lucky Dupont was inside.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:49 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:06 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:58 pm Interesting because many pundits expressed their admiration for Ntamack's management of the game again after the Irish match.

As far as I am concerned however, the current weak link is Jalibert. Thankfully, his kicking off the tee is world class, but so far, I am still not convinced he is at the right level for an international fullback. We were lucky that the ref decided to wrap him in wool and penalised an Irish player for something that wasn't really a fault in my view. It made life easier under the high ball for Jalibert who had been wobbly.
I assume you mean Jaminet and not Jalibert? In which case, yes, he does look vulnerable under a high ball. However, name me one French FB since Sadourny who did not? Only Dulin for a short period a year plus back suddenly looked like he could catch a ball.......... before reverting to type this season. The irony here is that if Jaminet was not in the side, there is NO way Ntamack could be selected because his dead ball kicking simply isn't good enough (France would have lost on Saturday if Ntamack was the kicker). Which is why Ramos does it for Toulouse. And that's another irony, with Jaminet going to ST, Ramos looks like he will be spending much time riding the pine.

FWIW, Jaminet is only 22/23, was playing Pro2 until last season and is in one of the weakest sides in T14. To have got to where he is is miraculous**. He has time to improve. Lots. And anyway, there is no better option.

** I have to concede kudos to the coaching staff for having the nous/guts to select him at all. I certainly did not see that coming even after his stellar performances in Pro2.

Yes I meant Jaminet sorry.

1 try against Italy, 1 try against Ireland
4 high kicks not fielded safely
2/3 players on his outside forgotten when he tried to score his try in the dying minutes of his game.
Running ahead of Dupont against New Zealand, after the Ntamack counter-attack from our own in-goal when he should have been in support to help finish the move...

I think he still needs to progress a lot. Happy that we stick with him but he is the weak link in the team today.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:59 pm**

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:06 pm**

About a metre forward as we suspected at the time.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:10 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:06 pm About a metre forward as we suspected at the time.

Looks flat to me, and he's clearly trying to pass backwards. "A metre forward" doesn't make any sense with the forward pass law anyway.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:14 pm**

Nah it's forward leaving his hands.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:19 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:14 pm Nah it's forward leaving his hands.

So you think Guiness Six Nations posted this with the cynical purpose of undermining the French win, while pretending to be in awe at the move?

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:19 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:06 pm About a metre forward as we suspected at the time.

First it is not an official camera, 2nd from a different angle the green touched the ball , 3rd the ref was Gardner, 4thJaminet did score a try

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:27 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:14 pm Nah it's forward leaving his hands.

Even with momentum it barely travels forward across the pitch. Really nothing wrong with it.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:39 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:27 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:14 pm Nah it's forward leaving his hands.
Even with momentum it barely travels forward across the pitch. Really nothing wrong with it.

Quoted, for later re-use

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:45 pm**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:19 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:14 pm Nah it's forward leaving his hands.
So you think Guiness Six Nations posted this with the cynical purpose of undermining the French win, while pretending to be in awe at the move?

Not sure you fully understand “Irish”

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:57 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:45 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:19 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:14 pm Nah it's forward leaving his hands.
So you think Guiness Six Nations posted this with the cynical purpose of undermining the French win, while pretending to be in awe at the move?
Not sure you fully understand “Irish”

One thing the Scots & Irish share, is the ability to nurse a grievance; real or imagined !

If we meet the French again in the RWC, I'd expect this one to make a re-appearance then.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:59 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:57 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:45 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:19 pm

So you think Guiness Six Nations posted this with the cynical purpose of undermining the French win, while pretending to be in awe at the move?
Not sure you fully understand “Irish”
One thing the Scots & Irish share, is the ability to nurse a grievance; real or imagined !

If we meet the French again in the RWC, I'd expect this one to make a re-appearance then.

Now that's forward looking

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:59 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:57 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:45 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:19 pm

So you think Guiness Six Nations posted this with the cynical purpose of undermining the French win, while pretending to be in awe at the move?
Not sure you fully understand “Irish”
One thing the Scots & Irish share, is the ability to nurse a grievance; real or imagined !

If we meet the French again in the RWC, I'd expect this one to make a re-appearance then.

not sure we come close to you on that one really.

Although sadly not at rugby either at the moment

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:05 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:59 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:57 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:45 pm

Not sure you fully understand “Irish”
One thing the Scots & Irish share, is the ability to nurse a grievance; real or imagined !

If we meet the French again in the RWC, I'd expect this one to make a re-appearance then.
not sure we come close to you on that one really.

Although sadly not at rugby either at the moment

Years ago I heard a colleague say; "Never Trust a Campbell !". I hadn't heard it before, so did some research, & it rang a lot of familiar bells.

Scotland has structural issues that aren't easy to solve; but at least you're heading on the right trajectory; unlike the Welsh, who are on the opposite track.

Posted: **Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:12 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:39 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:27 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:14 pm Nah it's forward leaving his hands.
Even with momentum it barely travels forward across the pitch. Really nothing wrong with it.
Quoted, for later re-use

Good idea. If I ever change my mind and say that pass was forward, you can quote that comment back to me.

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:24 am**

Or if England happen to lose a key match with a "barely forward" pass being the difference between the teams.

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:46 am**

Oh - so you'd use my opinion on this pass to argue against my opinion on a totally different one?

That's a little weird. Take each event on its own merits. No such thing as two identical events on a rugby field.

Also I'm not saying it's barely forward. I'm saying it's not obviously a forward pass under the laws of the game. The fact that it drifts forward with momentum is irrelevant - a huge percentage of passes do that in every game.

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:56 am**

Was a totally flat pass, nothing to see here, move on

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:01 am**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:46 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:40 pm Why am I not surprised.

Torque would tell you Ntamack had no idea what he was doing. It was lucky Dupont was inside.

You are hopeless. I had already covered this.... and the AB try. One swallow does not a Summer make. These are pro rugby players so you should expect them to get most things right most of the time. Plus this was clearly a rehearsed move. The issue I have with Ntamack is his decision making when stuff is not clearly pre-ordained.

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:02 am**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:49 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:06 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:58 pm Interesting because many pundits expressed their admiration for Ntamack's management of the game again after the Irish match.

As far as I am concerned however, the current weak link is Jalibert. Thankfully, his kicking off the tee is world class, but so far, I am still not convinced he is at the right level for an international fullback. We were lucky that the ref decided to wrap him in wool and penalised an Irish player for something that wasn't really a fault in my view. It made life easier under the high ball for Jalibert who had been wobbly.
I assume you mean Jaminet and not Jalibert? In which case, yes, he does look vulnerable under a high ball. However, name me one French FB since Sadourny who did not? Only Dulin for a short period a year plus back suddenly looked like he could catch a ball.......... before reverting to type this season. The irony here is that if Jaminet was not in the side, there is NO way Ntamack could be selected because his dead ball kicking simply isn't good enough (France would have lost on Saturday if Ntamack was the kicker). Which is why Ramos does it for Toulouse. And that's another irony, with Jaminet going to ST, Ramos looks like he will be spending much time riding the pine.

FWIW, Jaminet is only 22/23, was playing Pro2 until last season and is in one of the weakest sides in T14. To have got to where he is is miraculous**. He has time to improve. Lots. And anyway, there is no better option.

** I have to concede kudos to the coaching staff for having the nous/guts to select him at all. I certainly did not see that coming even after his stellar performances in Pro2.
Yes I meant Jaminet sorry.

1 try against Italy, 1 try against Ireland
4 high kicks not fielded safely
2/3 players on his outside forgotten when he tried to score his try in the dying minutes of his game.
Running ahead of Dupont against New Zealand, after the Ntamack counter-attack from our own in-goal when he should have been in support to help finish the move...

I think he still needs to progress a lot. Happy that we stick with him but he is the weak link in the team today.

You haven't stated what you think the alternative is. And if you dare to say Ramos......

Posted: **Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:29 am**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:02 am
You haven't stated what you think the alternative is. And if you dare to say Ramos......

I wrote that I am happy to stick with him for now, to give him time to learn.

But I start to doubt his rugby IQ.

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