NPR

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:37 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:22 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:12 pm Struggling to think of any examples of a long ban affecting a career in that way. Lavanini is probably the most banned player I can think of, and he's picked up 75 international caps and two lucrative stints with Tigers and Clermont after making a name for himself as one of the dirtiest players in pro rugby.

21 cards (4 red and 17 yellows) so far is pretty much unbeatable, and yet he’s still employed and still picking up caps.

Dylan Hartley only actually got four red cards, but was cited a further four times with total bans of 60 weeks. Cost him a World Cup appearance but not much else. Might even have extended his career through regular rest periods.

He also seems to have the full suite of offences: an eye gouge, a punch, an elbow, a bite, a head butt and abusing a match official.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:58 am Here he is doing the course

Owen Farrell, we all thought, had learned. Clearly not though, but in the wake of Joe Marler’s peculiarly-arranged suspension last week (which Loose Pass looked at) all eyes will now be on the ban that surely is coming from the beaks.

Farrell is likely to be looking at least six weeks, considering his previous (his last ban was in September 2020 for the same offence and was five weeks). There is the likelihood he can go to the World Rugby intervention program known as ‘tackle school’ to shave a week off (although how many times can you go to tackle school and still get it so wrong). There is also a possibility of mitigation for something reducing the ban by two weeks, although again, how many times can you be banned for the same thing before bans are simply unable to be mitigated?

All of which could reduce the ban to three weeks, leaving Farrell conveniently available for the Scotland Six Nations opener.

But. Those three game weeks include a Premiership week in which Farrell would normally not be available as a part of the England squad, which is yet to be named, so it would be chicanery of the highest order were that week to count, or were Farrell not to be picked for England and then added the day after Saracens play Bristol, never mind the aforementioned ‘rules’ on how bans can be reduced or mitigated. Loose Pass awaits the outcome with interest.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:33 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:12 pm Struggling to think of any examples of a long ban affecting a career in that way. Lavanini is probably the most banned player I can think of, and he's picked up 75 international caps and two lucrative stints with Tigers and Clermont after making a name for himself as one of the dirtiest players in pro rugby.

Jamie Cudmore.
Dylan Hartley
Chris Ashton

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:18 pm You could add Dean Greyling to that list, after he targeted McCaw.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:46 pm McRae claims ROG threw elbows at him twice in the lead up, which is why he lost his shit. Not sure if I believe it, but he seems to.

The examples were of people whose career went downhill after such an attack, as I think your mate JM had said he couldn’t think of one.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:13 pm You seem to be struggling with the difference of “any” v “every”.

Plus Saint Kev wasn’t carded.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:37 am

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:58 am Here he is doing the course

Right arm is still tucked!!! Fail.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:37 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:13 pm You seem to be struggling with the difference of “any” v “every”.

Plus Saint Kev wasn’t carded.

Eh? Who used either qualifier?

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:37 pm Nearly missed this (in the video)



From our neighbour.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:15 am His mathsing skilz need some work too

For a start 1 in 5000. Is 0.02% not what he wrote.

Plus it’s not just 1, ffs. 2 red cards. Plus a plethora of missed red cards.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:53 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:46 pm McRae claims ROG threw elbows at him twice in the lead up, which is why he lost his shit. Not sure if I believe it, but he seems to.

The examples were of people whose career went downhill after such an attack, as I think your mate JM had said he couldn’t think of one.

Nah. Pretty sure Saint Kev and Umaga had long careers after and the Leicester duo certainly did.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:15 am His mathsing skilz need some work too

For a start 1 in 5000. Is 0.02% not what he wrote.

Plus it’s not just 1, ffs. 2 red cards. Plus a plethora of missed red cards.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:20 am Lavanini and Aki are the only other seasoned internationals currently playing who I can think of with a comparable number of bans.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:14 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:37 pm Nearly missed this (in the video)



From our neighbour.

Statistics, eh.

Do you reckon Jake actually believes this hokum, or is just taking the piss?

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:16 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:20 am Lavanini and Aki are the only other seasoned internationals currently playing who I can think of with a comparable number of bans.

Justice4Joe

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:34 pm FFS

RFU intervenes to let Borthwick pick Farrell in England Six Nations squad

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... d-scotland

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:39 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:34 pm FFS

RFU intervenes to let Borthwick pick Farrell in England Six Nations squad

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... d-scotland

Bit tabloid by the Guardian. He's allowed to join the England training squad. In normal circumstances a player in the squad can be released to play a club match, so technically he's missing the weekend's match. Yes, we all know he wouldn't have been, but that's not the point.

It's exactly how every other nation has worked this loophole tbh. It needs clearing up, but this is somewhat confected outrage being stoked by the papers here.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:42 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:39 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:34 pm FFS

RFU intervenes to let Borthwick pick Farrell in England Six Nations squad

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... d-scotland

Bit tabloid by the Guardian. He's allowed to join the England training squad. In normal circumstances a player in the squad can be released to play a club match, so technically he's missing the weekend's match. Yes, we all know he wouldn't have been, but that's not the point.

It's exactly how every other nation has worked this loophole tbh. It needs clearing up, but this is somewhat confected outrage being stoked by the papers here.

Aye whatever

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:46 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:42 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:39 pm

Bit tabloid by the Guardian. He's allowed to join the England training squad. In normal circumstances a player in the squad can be released to play a club match, so technically he's missing the weekend's match. Yes, we all know he wouldn't have been, but that's not the point.

It's exactly how every other nation has worked this loophole tbh. It needs clearing up, but this is somewhat confected outrage being stoked by the papers here.

Aye whatever

Odd response! What exactly do you see is the problem here? Any potential fixture is counted as part of the ban - that's the downside of doing it per match instead of per wee k (which has its own problems)

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:17 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:46 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:42 pm


Aye whatever

Odd response! What exactly do you see is the problem here? Any potential fixture is counted as part of the ban - that's the downside of doing it per match instead of per wee k (which has its own problems)

Since you don't seem to care about the spirit or the letter of the law here I don't intend getting into a long to and fro over it.

However, this is a big "Fuck You" to Steve Thompson and any other ex-player suffering from the known consequences of head collisions.

I'd have some respect for a reply that said, yes the ban was too short in the first place and the RFU should be taking a lead in eradicating shoulder shots to the head, not finding loopholes to get their guy on the park asap.

This is probably the single most important issue facing rugby at the moment, hiding behind convention and what other unions have done is a cowardly move which won't pave the way for any change.

No one really gives a fuck.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:11 pm Very confused by the list of people with bad disciplinary records who had huge careers being held up as people who suffered career wise because of bans

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:39 pm It's exactly how every other nation has worked this loophole tbh. It needs clearing up, but this is somewhat confected outrage being stoked by the papers here.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:14 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:11 pm Very confused by the list of people with bad disciplinary records who had huge careers being held up as people who suffered career wise because of bans

I was waiting for YMX to explain it to me.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:58 pm But... they evidently weren't badly affected. They had superb careers after long bans. I genuinely struggle to think of a single example where contracts were at risk as a result, too (I'm sure there must be one?).

This is a sport where long absences for injury are expected, where disciplinary procedures are considered part and parcel of the sport, and where "talent" trumps everything else.