NPR

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:33 pm**

Good win by the Boks.

Hard luck New Zealand.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:34 pm**

I know it is ultimately a meaningless warm-up but what a shitshow from the All Blacks. Can't see how that isn't a hugely damaging performance. SA weren't even at their best.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:34 pm**

Telea is the only AB player to come out of that match with any credit.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:36 pm**

Are New Zealand England in disguise?

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:36 pm**

ASMO wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:36 pm Are New Zealand England in disguise?

No
England would have shipped 60

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:37 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:34 pm Telea is the only AB player to come out of that match with any credit.

Sub scrummie scored a good individual try and had another nice break. It's tough for these Tier 2 Pacific island teams against the very best - take the small wins and build on them.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:37 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:34 pm I know it is ultimately a meaningless warm-up but what a shitshow from the All Blacks. Can't see how that isn't a hugely damaging performance. SA weren't even at their best.

That’s as bad as I’ve seen NZ for a long time. Couldn’t execute even the basics. Shit handling. Shit set pieces. No penetration on attack. Christ almighty. They were awful. The boks didn’t even have to play that well and they thoroughly deserved it.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:38 pm**

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:28 pm
Chilli wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:22 pm
Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:20 pm Vermulen's card should be appealed by the ABs.
Vermeulen was carded tonight?
Whoever went straight to the head of Cane. Which thug was it?

Probably one of his team mates
Twat

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:40 pm**

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:38 pm
Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:28 pm
Chilli wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:22 pm

Vermeulen was carded tonight?
Whoever went straight to the head of Cane. Which thug was it?
Probably one of his team mates
Twat

You don't know either?

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:42 pm**

Well played, Boks. By far the better team on the day and thoroughly deserved your record winning margin.

As for the shambolic ABs - that was quite the reality check. Early 2022 levels of ineptitude, tbh.

The one bright spot was Roigard. Could he be our starting halfback by the knock-out stages, if we make it that far?

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:43 pm**

Muttonbird’s cry wanking is the cherry on the evening.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:43 pm**

Probably a good time for WR to have a look at what they are doing here. This game will be a watershed, and how not to do refereeing protocol. It's basically a disaster for the game.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:43 pm**

That was a drubbing.

The physicality of the SAFA is something else.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:45 pm**

I stand by NZ out in the quarters. We’re second tier in terms of favourites. France, Sefrica, Ireland all ahead of us.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:46 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:34 pm Telea is the only AB player to come out of that match with any credit.

And our try scorer.

But …
Tight five failed.
Loosies invisible.

It was just bad!

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:47 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:45 pm I stand by NZ out in the quarters. We’re second tier in terms of favourites. France, Sefrica, Ireland all ahead of us.

Yep, it's sure looking that way.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:48 pm**

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:46 pm
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:34 pm Telea is the only AB player to come out of that match with any credit.
And our try scorer.

But …
Tight five failed.
Loosies invisible.

It was just bad!

I thought Mo'unga was very good, given the circumstances.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:48 pm**

I’d finally mustered some hope, which has no vanished.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:53 pm**

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:48 pm I’d finally mustered some hope, which has no vanished.

I was still hopeful after we'd absorbed the first 15 minutes of try-line pressure, but man did that all change in a hurry.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:58 pm**

I meant hope for our team in the World Cup.

Foster is amazing at what he can do. I’m pleased my late dad didn’t have to watch this.

Not to take away from the Springboks. They were unbeatable. Powerful, disruptive, and inevitable

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:04 pm**

_Os_ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:35 pm Oxbot reminder: the All Blacks biggest ever defeat is 21 points.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this record stands for decades. The All Blacks just never lose like other teams do.

This Bok side is unusual, it's the only time in my life we don't have an 85%+ first choice kicker, and one or two back ups shooting at 75%+, with one kicker capable of landing kicks from 60 metres out. We're playing more SA sides do below Bok level, it's reminding me of the Sharks which makes me nervous, from feast to famine and not winning many trophies.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:13 pm**

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:58 pm I meant hope for our team in the World Cup.

Foster is amazing at what he can do. I’m pleased my late dad didn’t have to watch this.

Not to take away from the Springboks. They were unbeatable. Powerful, disruptive, and inevitable

He certainly has a talent for flattering to deceive.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:32 pm**

£110.00? Worth every penny.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:34 pm**

Did Barrett’s 2nd yellow get upgraded to straight red?

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:35 pm**

Deveron Boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:34 pm Did Barrett’s 2nd yellow get upgraded to straight red?

No

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:39 pm**

Cartman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:35 pm
Deveron Boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:34 pm Did Barrett’s 2nd yellow get upgraded to straight red?
No

Yes it did.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:51 pm**

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:39 pm
Cartman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:35 pm
Deveron Boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:34 pm Did Barrett’s 2nd yellow get upgraded to straight red?
No
Yes it did.

Shit, sorry thought it wasnt

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:52 pm**

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:39 pm
Cartman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:35 pm
Deveron Boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:34 pm Did Barrett’s 2nd yellow get upgraded to straight red?
No
Yes it did.

No it didn't. He'll be free to play next match unless a citing. Was just a two yellows red. Not a red red. No ban.

Foster looked almost overjoyed afterwards... is he on drugs or a chess grandmaster?

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:59 pm**

Cartman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:51 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:39 pm
Cartman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:35 pm

No
Yes it did.
Shit, sorry thought it wasnt

It wasn’t, it was 2 yellows

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:34 pm**

Biggest worry is the officiating protocol.

Seems like they are making it up as they go along. No hierarchy. No structure. Basically 2 refs now, one on the field, one off, undermining each other. Players now encouraged to argue with and manipulate both refs. They’ll be in the on-field refs face, football style soon. Quick games now no longer possible. That game took over two hours.

Anyone count how many times the TMO interfered?

ABs will never be able to use their competitive advantage - high tempo game - with this type of disruptive officiating protocol and other teams will milk it, questioning the ref when they need a break. WR is forcing the ABs to play the boring, forward dominated game like the home countries and SA.

Also, the 'team yellow concept' needs to be reviewed. Barrett first yellow was not a yellow card offence as I know (didn't see it), but takes a yellow for the team. This yellow should not then be tied to the player, but to the team.

Shit game. Not because of the result but because of the massive issues WR has right now. And they seem impotent in being able to sort it out.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:41 pm**

Team yellow.. but Scott still committed the offence that broke the camel's back...

Rather than obsessing with the officiating, I'd be learning what they do and don't allow... and adapting. SA were flooding the rucks... NZ should have been doing the same... and hold onto the ball and create pressure...

What cost us was panicking when we didn't need to. eg. Jordie's pass on his own 22... NZ had weathered the storm early on and could have turned things around if they stayed patient and held onto the ball longer, as the ref was favouring the side with the ball...

I hope this serves as wake up call rather than a sign of things to come...

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:09 pm**

Thank fuck I did not wake up at 3:30AM for that total shitshower. Too many basic errors, not adapting to the referee who had a trigger-happy TMO in his ear the whole game, Mo'unga being squeezed out by two Barretts. Ioane invisible, tight five did not perform to their standard, backrow a fucking joke.

I was arguing with a mate in HK yesterday and he reckoned the ABs are a decent chance for WC but I stand by my "lucky to make the semis" stance.

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:11 pm**

Kiwias wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:09 pm Thank fuck I did not wake up at 3:30AM for that total shitshower. Too many basic errors, not adapting to the referee who had a trigger-happy TMO in his ear the whole game, Mo'unga being squeezed out by two Barretts. Ioane invisible, tight five did not perform to their standard, backrow a fucking joke.

I was arguing with a mate in HK yesterday and he reckoned the ABs are a decent chance for WC but I stand by my "lucky to make the semis" stance.

Look and smile...

https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union ... cup/winner

Posted: **Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:57 pm**

Just in relation to the Scott Barrett red card:

In the last 4 years, World Rugby Judicial Committees have heard 6 cases where a player was red carded after collecting 2 yellow cards in a match.

In each case the red card was considered sufficient and no suspension was imposed.

Relevant guidance for sending off in these circumstances is included in WR Regulation 17, Appendix 4.

A sanction, ordinarily of 1 to 2 weeks, is to be applied for persistent offending, not the yellow card offences themselves.

Sending off may be considered sufficient if:

- either card was the result of mistaken identity; or

- exceptional circumstances exist eg yellow card issued in error - the offence did not meet the YC threshold; or

- either card was awarded for so-called technical offences (including following a team warning) not involving a breach of Laws 9.11 to 9.28 inclusive.

Posted: **Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:02 am**

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:40 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:38 pm
Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:28 pm Whoever went straight to the head of Cane. Which thug was it?
Probably one of his team mates
Twat
You don't know either?

I'm sure that IF it happened, there will be a citing.

Posted: **Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:05 am**

_Os_ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:04 pm
_Os_ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:35 pm Oxbot reminder: the All Blacks biggest ever defeat is 21 points.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this record stands for decades. The All Blacks just never lose like other teams do.

This Bok side is unusual, it's the only time in my life we don't have an 85%+ first choice kicker, and one or two back ups shooting at 75%+, with one kicker capable of landing kicks from 60 metres out. We're playing more SA sides do below Bok level, it's reminding me of the Sharks which makes me nervous, from feast to famine and not winning many trophies.

Fuck right off Ox.

No $harks team could play like this.

Especially with Curwin at 10.

Posted: **Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:11 am**

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:34 pm Biggest worry is the officiating protocol.

Seems like they are making it up as they go along. No hierarchy. No structure. Basically 2 refs now, one on the field, one off, undermining each other. Players now encouraged to argue with and manipulate both refs. They’ll be in the on-field refs face, football style soon. Quick games now no longer possible. That game took over two hours.

Anyone count how many times the TMO interfered?

ABs will never be able to use their competitive advantage - high tempo game - with this type of disruptive officiating protocol and other teams will milk it, questioning the ref when they need a break. WR is forcing the ABs to play the boring, forward dominated game like the home countries and SA.

Also, the 'team yellow concept' needs to be reviewed. Barrett first yellow was not a yellow card offence as I know (didn't see it), but takes a yellow for the team. This yellow should not then be tied to the player, but to the team.

Shit game. Not because of the result but because of the massive issues WR has right now. And they seem impotent in being able to sort it out.

Hang about.
You say that it wasn't a cardable offense.
Then you say that you never saw it.

That is so bad that I can't even accuse you of being a Sards multi.

Posted: **Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:26 am**

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:34 pm Biggest worry is the officiating protocol.

Seems like they are making it up as they go along. No hierarchy. No structure. Basically 2 refs now, one on the field, one off, undermining each other. Players now encouraged to argue with and manipulate both refs. They’ll be in the on-field refs face, football style soon. Quick games now no longer possible. That game took over two hours.

Anyone count how many times the TMO interfered?

ABs will never be able to use their competitive advantage - high tempo game - with this type of disruptive officiating protocol and other teams will milk it, questioning the ref when they need a break. WR is forcing the ABs to play the boring, forward dominated game like the home countries and SA.

Also, the 'team yellow concept' needs to be reviewed. Barrett first yellow was not a yellow card offence as I know (didn't see it), but takes a yellow for the team. This yellow should not then be tied to the player, but to the team.

Shit game. Not because of the result but because of the massive issues WR has right now. And they seem impotent in being able to sort it out.

So you are suggesting the officials should just ignore penalising offences? Or just ones committed by the AB's. Didnt see a single bad decision in that game, i dont like Carley much as a ref but he did fine last night. Maybe you should direct your ire at the players who just kept infringing and were too stupid to adapt instead of the ref?

Posted: **Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:34 am**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:45 pm I stand by NZ out in the quarters. We’re second tier in terms of favourites. France, Sefrica, Ireland all ahead of us.

Would agree, roll on next season where we can rebuild

Posted: **Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:39 am**

Chilli wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:11 am
Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:34 pm Biggest worry is the officiating protocol.

Seems like they are making it up as they go along. No hierarchy. No structure. Basically 2 refs now, one on the field, one off, undermining each other. Players now encouraged to argue with and manipulate both refs. They’ll be in the on-field refs face, football style soon. Quick games now no longer possible. That game took over two hours.

Anyone count how many times the TMO interfered?

ABs will never be able to use their competitive advantage - high tempo game - with this type of disruptive officiating protocol and other teams will milk it, questioning the ref when they need a break. WR is forcing the ABs to play the boring, forward dominated game like the home countries and SA.

Also, the 'team yellow concept' needs to be reviewed. Barrett first yellow was not a yellow card offence as I know (didn't see it), but takes a yellow for the team. This yellow should not then be tied to the player, but to the team.

Shit game. Not because of the result but because of the massive issues WR has right now. And they seem impotent in being able to sort it out.
Hang about.
You say that it wasn't a cardable offense.
Then you say that you never saw it.

That is so bad that I can't even accuse you of being a Sards multi.

I'm going off the agreement that it was a team yellow therefore, by definition, not a yellow card offence offence on its own.

It is accepted it was a team yellow, correct?

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