Official Wales v Scotland thread

[Blackmac]

If you want an example of differential refereeing, compare the offside called against Scott Cummings to multiple phases of Welsh defense in the last series of plays inside the Welsh five. Not even handed, not equivalent. Wales we’re standing offside repeatedly all through the game, but not called. Scotland were.

There were at least three consecutive phases in the final attack where the Welsh were blatantly offside and interfering and he didn't even look at them.

[Tichtheid]

Having watched it through again, and stating the bleeding obvious, we really need to sort out our discipline or the rest of the tournament is going to be carnage for us.

Ok some of the penalties were dodgy but that happens in every game, we compounded the errors time and again with another penalty. When we had 15 players on the park our defence looked strong, even later when we were standing off a little for fear of conceding another card.

On the wider game itself I thought Wainwright was very good for Wales, he’s never really stood out to me before. I hope Reffell bought O’Keefe a pint.

It looks like we’ll be without Crosbie, who I thought was good, and Gray, Gilchrist is the obvious choice for second row, back row will see Darge fit, him Dempsey plus one. Jamie Ritchie had a decent game, I haven’t seen stats but I thought he was more productive than Fagerson

The maul defence has to improve or we might as well go home.

[Yr Alban]

Having watched it through again, and stating the bleeding obvious, we really need to sort out our discipline or the rest of the tournament is going to be carnage for us.

Ok some of the penalties were dodgy but that happens in every game, we compounded the errors time and again with another penalty. When we had 15 players on the park our defence looked strong, even later when we were standing off a little for fear of conceding another card.

On the wider game itself I thought Wainwright was very good for Wales, he’s never really stood out to me before. I hope Reffell bought O’Keefe a pint.

It looks like we’ll be without Crosbie, who I thought was good, and Gray, Gilchrist is the obvious choice for second row, back row will see Darge fit, him Dempsey plus one. Jamie Ritchie had a decent game, I haven’t seen stats but I thought he was more productive than Fagerson

The maul defence has to improve or we might as well go home.

Seems like we have been moaning about our discipline for years. The sheer number of consecutive penalties for Wales does beggar belief somewhat - it did look as if Scotland were being held to an entirely different standard at times - but that and mental toughness are our greatest weaknesses. The penalty count will certainly focus everyone’s attention on improving discipline, and that can’t be a bad thing. One positive - although we should, and do, moan about our soft underbelly, a degree of mental toughness was required yesterday to take back control of the game and stop Wales romping to a comeback win - which would 100% have happened a few years ago. We tightened things up as soon as we had 15 on the park again.

Regarding maul defence - I believe that is one of Gilchrist’s strengths. Certainly it has been very good for the last couple of years, when he has been consistently in the team.

Back row: Dempsey has to start. I would put Christie in at 7 as he is pulling up trees at club level, but Toony will pick Darge, or Ritchie if Darge not fit. In Crosbie’s absence I expect Fagerson moves to 6, though personally I would rather stick Bradbury in there to mix it with the big French BR.

[charltom]

Having watched it through again, and stating the bleeding obvious, we really need to sort out our discipline or the rest of the tournament is going to be carnage for us.

Ok some of the penalties were dodgy but that happens in every game, we compounded the errors time and again with another penalty. When we had 15 players on the park our defence looked strong, even later when we were standing off a little for fear of conceding another card.

On the wider game itself I thought Wainwright was very good for Wales, he’s never really stood out to me before. I hope Reffell bought O’Keefe a pint.

It looks like we’ll be without Crosbie, who I thought was good, and Gray, Gilchrist is the obvious choice for second row, back row will see Darge fit, him Dempsey plus one. Jamie Ritchie had a decent game, I haven’t seen stats but I thought he was more productive than Fagerson

The maul defence has to improve or we might as well go home.

Seems like we have been moaning about our discipline for years. The sheer number of consecutive penalties for Wales does beggar belief somewhat - it did look as if Scotland were being held to an entirely different standard at times - but that and mental toughness are our greatest weaknesses. The penalty count will certainly focus everyone’s attention on improving discipline, and that can’t be a bad thing.

I don't know what conversations the other nations have with the refs that Scotland don't, but we need to start having them. This sort of double standards thing seems to happen too often.

And Finn needs to make sure the rest of the team speak only through him.

[Yr Alban]

Having watched it through again, and stating the bleeding obvious, we really need to sort out our discipline or the rest of the tournament is going to be carnage for us.

Ok some of the penalties were dodgy but that happens in every game, we compounded the errors time and again with another penalty. When we had 15 players on the park our defence looked strong, even later when we were standing off a little for fear of conceding another card.

On the wider game itself I thought Wainwright was very good for Wales, he’s never really stood out to me before. I hope Reffell bought O’Keefe a pint.

It looks like we’ll be without Crosbie, who I thought was good, and Gray, Gilchrist is the obvious choice for second row, back row will see Darge fit, him Dempsey plus one. Jamie Ritchie had a decent game, I haven’t seen stats but I thought he was more productive than Fagerson

The maul defence has to improve or we might as well go home.

Seems like we have been moaning about our discipline for years. The sheer number of consecutive penalties for Wales does beggar belief somewhat - it did look as if Scotland were being held to an entirely different standard at times - but that and mental toughness are our greatest weaknesses. The penalty count will certainly focus everyone’s attention on improving discipline, and that can’t be a bad thing.

I don't know what conversations the other nations have with the refs that Scotland don't, but we need to start having them. This sort of double standards thing seems to happen too often.

And Finn needs to make sure the rest of the team speak only through him.

It was my hope that Finn would sort this out, but here we are. Thing is, though, the players from other nations who are in the ref’s ear constantly are amongst some of the most irritating in the game (Sexton, anyone?) and yet seem to escape any punishment. Whereas Jamie Ritchie moaned at the ref and ‘got on his bad side’ and things got even worse.

[Blackmac]

Having watched it through again, and stating the bleeding obvious, we really need to sort out our discipline or the rest of the tournament is going to be carnage for us.

Ok some of the penalties were dodgy but that happens in every game, we compounded the errors time and again with another penalty. When we had 15 players on the park our defence looked strong, even later when we were standing off a little for fear of conceding another card.

On the wider game itself I thought Wainwright was very good for Wales, he’s never really stood out to me before. I hope Reffell bought O’Keefe a pint.

It looks like we’ll be without Crosbie, who I thought was good, and Gray, Gilchrist is the obvious choice for second row, back row will see Darge fit, him Dempsey plus one. Jamie Ritchie had a decent game, I haven’t seen stats but I thought he was more productive than Fagerson

The maul defence has to improve or we might as well go home.

There was one turnover penalty awarded to Reffell where he didn't even get his hands anywhere near the ball before being cleared out but he was madly screaming at the ref appealing for the penalty.

[assfly]

Between the 21st and 79th minutes, the infringement count was:

Wales 0 - 17 Scotland

That is crazy, especially considering that half of that Wales were the ones leaking tries.

[robmatic]

Between the 21st and 79th minutes, the infringement count was:

Wales 0 - 17 Scotland

That is crazy, especially considering that half of that Wales were the ones leaking tries.

Well, the top refs are meant to ensure that there is a good spectacle. It ended up being a very dramatic game.

[Tichtheid]

Having watched it through again, and stating the bleeding obvious, we really need to sort out our discipline or the rest of the tournament is going to be carnage for us.

Ok some of the penalties were dodgy but that happens in every game, we compounded the errors time and again with another penalty. When we had 15 players on the park our defence looked strong, even later when we were standing off a little for fear of conceding another card.

On the wider game itself I thought Wainwright was very good for Wales, he’s never really stood out to me before. I hope Reffell bought O’Keefe a pint.

It looks like we’ll be without Crosbie, who I thought was good, and Gray, Gilchrist is the obvious choice for second row, back row will see Darge fit, him Dempsey plus one. Jamie Ritchie had a decent game, I haven’t seen stats but I thought he was more productive than Fagerson

The maul defence has to improve or we might as well go home.

There was one turnover penalty awarded to Reffell where he didn't even get his hands anywhere near the ball before being cleared out but he was madly screaming at the ref appealing for the penalty.

There was another one where he clearly had hands on the deck first, the ball ricocheted off his arm and then he had a second go at it, penalty Wales. About a minute later Jamie Ritchie had both hands on the ball and lifted it, the Welsh hooker was presenting it back and their scrum half came in, so now their were three pairs of hands on the ball. “Good contest, play on” so the 9 got the ball away.
Cummings conceded a penalty for having his toes over the line of the back of a ruck, it didn’t affect the box kick. A little bit later you can clearly hear BO’K shout, “take a step red”, telling Wales to get back from that same offside line.

This is all from a second watch of the game, there was one that didn’t get given against Scotland, but several that didn’t got given for us, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where one team didn’t get one jackal penalty, not a sausage. Ritchie again had two other occasions where he had contact with the ball at least, as opposed to the penalty given to Reffell that you described.

I haven’t described the half of it because I don’t have the time right now, but I hope there is a frank assessment goes in from Townsend.

Having said all that, we really need to work on our maul defence.


edit, I think we may have actually got one jackal penalty, now that I think of it, but I’m not going to watch the whole match again to find out

[C69]

Pmsl

[Begbie]

We won, that's all that matters. Had a great weekend down here, seemed like there was a lot more Scots than usual.

[Biffer]

Pmsl

We'd believe you more if you took the l off and admitted your problems.

[Sandstorm]

Between the 21st and 79th minutes, the infringement count was:

Wales 0 - 17 Scotland

That is crazy, especially considering that half of that Wales were the ones leaking tries.

You actually have to make some tackles, then you can be penalised for going offside or infringe at a ruck.