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Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:35 pm
by petej
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:35 pm
I fucking sat on the remote as that pass came out and didn't see the DG
Thank fuck I didn't have to sit through a very difficult penalty kick!!!! Well done Marcus, and well done England, a fabulous win
Smith to start next week.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:35 pm
by ASMO
Great win but if anything that game proves why Ford,
Care, Slade and Daly should never see and England shirt again.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:36 pm
by petej
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:35 pm
Great win but if anything that game proves why Ford,
Care, Slade and Daly should never see and England shirt again.
100%
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:36 pm
by salanya
Fucking drop goal
Fair dues England, played their best match in a long while.
Faz needs to take some flack here: the team is regressing in this competition. And Connor Murray was on the pitch because of him.
Disappointing performance for Ireland.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:37 pm
by tc27
Earl masterclass today.
The old Itoje was back too
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:37 pm
by Ymx
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:34 pmYeeeeeehaaaaaa!!
First time England supporter ?
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:37 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Marcus Smith brilliant
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
by Begbie
Wow. What a game. Congratulations England.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
by petej
tc27 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:37 pm
Earl masterclass today.
The old Itoje was back too
Loads of good performances in the pack.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
by Slick
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:37 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:34 pmYeeeeeehaaaaaa!!
First time England supporter ?
2nd (WC 2003). This is what Ireland have done to me
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
by Uncle fester
Amazing game. Fair Fuchs England. Well deserved win.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
by JM2K6
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:36 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:35 pm
Great win but if anything that game proves why Ford,
Care, Slade and Daly should never see and England shirt again.
100%
Are we pretending Ford didn't have a big hand in how well our attacking game went?
Agree on the others, even though Slade also had his best attacking game in ages
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
by S/Lt_Phillips
Another fantastic finish!
Expected Ireland's usual professionalism to see them through, but not today - fair play England.
No GS but Ireland will wrap up the title easily next week.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:39 pm
by OomStruisbaai
England rush defense looking better each game
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:39 pm
by Hugo
He really was.
Thank god that performance did not end up as a moral victory.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:39 pm
by salanya
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:37 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:34 pmYeeeeeehaaaaaa!!
First time England supporter ?
2nd (WC 2003). This is what Ireland have done to me
No, that's what your lack of principles have done ....
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:39 pm
by Ymx
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:37 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:34 pmYeeeeeehaaaaaa!!
First time England supporter ?
2nd (WC 2003). This is what Ireland have done to me
me too !
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:39 pm
by Lady P
Wales to do France tomorrow. It’s upset weekend.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:40 pm
by Paddington Bear
Loved everything about that, superb game and a great win. Maybe some humble pie from some of Borthwick’s critics?
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:41 pm
by Tichtheid
England have to go all in with Marcus Smith, build a team around players like him, van Poortvliet and Chessum
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
by ASMO
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:36 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:35 pm
Great win but if anything that game proves why Ford,
Care, Slade and Daly should never see and England shirt again.
100%
Are we pretending Ford didn't have a big hand in how well our attacking game went?
Agree on the others, even though Slade also had his best attacking game in ages
I think it was despite, not because of Ford, he just booted the ball after the first 15 mins, reverted to type
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
by Tichtheid
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:36 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:35 pm
Great win but if anything that game proves why Ford,
Care, Slade and Daly should never see and England shirt again.
100%
Are we pretending Ford didn't have a big hand in how well our attacking game went?
Agree on the others, even though Slade also had his best attacking game in ages
He seemed to go into his shell though and that coincided with Ireland really coming back into the game
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
by petej
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:36 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:35 pm
Great win but if anything that game proves why Ford,
Care, Slade and Daly should never see and England shirt again.
100%
Are we pretending Ford didn't have a big hand in how well our attacking game went?
Agree on the others, even though Slade also had his best attacking game in ages
We need to be ruthless and move on. If Marcus Smith is available he should be starting. MSmith is 25 so will be in his prime over the next 3 years.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
by Uncle fester
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:40 pm
Loved everything about that, superb game and a great win. Maybe some humble pie from some of Borthwick’s critics?
Been thinking this all along. After the Eddie shitshow, he's restored respectability.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:43 pm
by JM2K6
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:40 pm
Loved everything about that, superb game and a great win. Maybe some humble pie from some of Borthwick’s critics?
Nah, England did exactly what everyone had been begging for and threw the game plan England have used for 18 matches under Borthwick away. Full credit to him for coaching them to play like this, but it doesn't change what's come before.
Fingers crossed the result persuades them this is the way to go at home and away, too. Loads to love about it.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:43 pm
by sockwithaticket
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:40 pm
Loved everything about that, superb game and a great win.
Maybe some humble pie from some of Borthwick’s critics?
One swallow.
That's the first game that actually felt like progress. It would have been even without the result.
We are slowly but surely stumbling towards the most optimal backline. Furbank - Feyi-Waboso - Freeman is a much, much better back three than the configuration we started the tournament with.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:43 pm
by ASMO
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:40 pm
Loved everything about that, superb game and a great win. Maybe some humble pie from some of Borthwick’s critics?
1 ray of sunshine does not a summer make.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:44 pm
by JM2K6
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:36 pm
100%
Are we pretending Ford didn't have a big hand in how well our attacking game went?
Agree on the others, even though Slade also had his best attacking game in ages
I think it was despite, not because of Ford, he just booted the ball after the first 15 mins, reverted to type
The first time England started going a little more defensive was on 35 minutes. Don't be stupid.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:45 pm
by JM2K6
BOD with the classic "this was good for the competition" coping strategy. We've all been there.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:47 pm
by Oxbow
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:41 pm
England have to go all in with Marcus Smith, build a team around players like him,
van Poortvliet and Chessum
No.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:47 pm
by ASMO
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:44 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Are we pretending Ford didn't have a big hand in how well our attacking game went?
Agree on the others, even though Slade also had his best attacking game in ages
I think it was despite, not because of Ford, he just booted the ball after the first 15 mins, reverted to type
The first time England started going a little more defensive was on 35 minutes. Don't be stupid.
Disagree, it was 20 mins tops
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:48 pm
by Slick
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:36 pm
100%
Are we pretending Ford didn't have a big hand in how well our attacking game went?
Agree on the others, even though Slade also had his best attacking game in ages
We need to be ruthless and move on. If Marcus Smith is available he should be starting. MSmith is 25 so will be in his prime over the next 3 years.
Think this is a bit mad to be honest. England were a much better team when Ford was on. Really all Smith did was drop a goal that anyone would have done, under little pressure as he had the penalty. All seems a bit emotional which is fair enough
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:49 pm
by sockwithaticket
I will admit that with the number of times a Celtic team has burst England's championship bubble over the years, it's nice to get one back. Albeit we've only delayed the crowning by a week, I back Ireland to get the job done against Scotland next week and claim the title
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:50 pm
by sockwithaticket
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:47 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:44 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
I think it was despite, not because of Ford, he just booted the ball after the first 15 mins, reverted to type
The first time England started going a little more defensive was on 35 minutes. Don't be stupid.
Disagree, it was 20 mins tops
Nah it was about half an hour before we started to regress.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:50 pm
by JM2K6
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:47 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:44 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
I think it was despite, not because of Ford, he just booted the ball after the first 15 mins, reverted to type
The first time England started going a little more defensive was on 35 minutes. Don't be stupid.
Disagree, it was 20 mins tops
Yeah well you're wrong, sorry. And it's not like he wasn't prepared to attack in the second half either. No need to go overboard about the guy who played a pivotal role in our attacking game. No question his kicking off the tee was bad and some of his kicks from hand weren't good, but we didn't spend the second half kicking it away.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:50 pm
by petej
Oxbow wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:47 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:41 pm
England have to go all in with Marcus Smith, build a team around players like him,
van Poortvliet and Chessum
No.
Give him a chance under a different club coach at Tigers. He needs to play well for his tigers 1st.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:51 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Hugo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:39 pm
He really was.
Thank god that performance did not end up as a moral victory.
He did everything with speed since he came on. The England rush defense had the Irish on the backfoot. Making mistakes.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:51 pm
by Tichtheid
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:48 pm
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Are we pretending Ford didn't have a big hand in how well our attacking game went?
Agree on the others, even though Slade also had his best attacking game in ages
We need to be ruthless and move on. If Marcus Smith is available he should be starting. MSmith is 25 so will be in his prime over the next 3 years.
Think this is a bit mad to be honest. England were a much better team when Ford was on. Really all Smith did was drop a goal that anyone would have done, under little pressure as he had the penalty. All seems a bit emotional which is fair enough
You just don't like his hair
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:54 pm
by sockwithaticket
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:50 pm
Oxbow wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:47 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:41 pm
England have to go all in with Marcus Smith, build a team around players like him,
van Poortvliet and Chessum
No.
Give him a chance under a different club coach at Tigers. He needs to play well for his tigers 1st.
And we need to see how he comes back from this long term injury. Maybe he's fine, but maybe he's a lesser player. Either way it's premature to be talking about him in the international conversation.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:54 pm
by ASMO
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:48 pm
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Are we pretending Ford didn't have a big hand in how well our attacking game went?
Agree on the others, even though Slade also had his best attacking game in ages
We need to be ruthless and move on. If Marcus Smith is available he should be starting. MSmith is 25 so will be in his prime over the next 3 years.
Think this is a bit mad to be honest. England were a much better team when Ford was on. Really all Smith did was drop a goal that anyone would have done, under little pressure as he had the penalty. All seems a bit emotional which is fair enough
Smith completely changed the dynamic of the England attack...offered a lot of threat ball in hand which Ford never does...he is very predictable and much easier to defend against.