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Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:41 pm
by petej
dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:30 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:55 am
dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:50 am
It won't happen ... systems and processes not in place nor will be and impact on prices and inflation will be enough to bring real concerns and a political own goal. I suspect this will be delayed yet again and the Gov will kick off another fight about NI as a distraction threatening to invoke article 16 yet again, the monthly threat. They are really in the shit in trying to implement Brexit, they know they are in the shit and will do anything, and I mean anything, to avoid Brexit shit hitting the public fan.
I'd agree it looks really unlikely, but, if that's the case why can't they confirm that? Just wtf is the thinking nobody will notice it it's delayed last minute, and what's the point in directing investment into trying to get ready for events that will no happen or be delayed? It'd help much more if investment was targeted at productivity, but instead we get lies, the denial of reality and the claim of victim status from the executive
Don't disagree with anything you say but you are looking at this logically and objectively. The problem is they are not and will do anything and sacrifice anything to avoid Brexit being seen to be a failure or the root cause of serious problems at the border. They see this as political suicide so will literally spend tons of our cash, sacrifice whole sectors of industry and lie through their back teeth to keep it out of the papers etc. It is collective organisational and political madness but that's the corner the Brexit Ultras have back themselves into and unfortunately there is no going back and out, we will be in this shitshow of a mess for years to come. The financial, social, cost of living, economic and political costs will be huge and unrecoverable.
What a legacy it will be for these politicians and voters.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:52 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
And they've still not sorted the services side of things, it's not just physical trade set to get a fair amount worse
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:57 am
by Insane_Homer
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:55 am
by dpedin
He has always been a shit when it comes to Brexit. However his CV fits the bill, to summarise - Winchester, Marlborough, Oxford Uni, ERG, Daily Telegraph, Spectator, Vote Leave, UKIP supporter, Life Peerage from Blonde Bumbelcunt, anti NHS, anti GFA, covid denier, supporter of the 'Sovereign Individual' ideology ... just a normal right wing, jingoistic, xenophobic, racist twat so endemic in the current Tory party. He is however one of the more extreme versions of this.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:13 am
by Tichtheid
dpedin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:55 am
He has always been a shit when it comes to Brexit. However his CV fits the bill, to summarise - Winchester, Marlborough, Oxford Uni, ERG, Daily Telegraph, Spectator, Vote Leave, UKIP supporter, Life Peerage from Blonde Bumbelcunt, anti NHS, anti GFA, covid denier,
supporter of the 'Sovereign Individual' ideology ... just a normal right wing, jingoistic, xenophobic, racist twat so endemic in the current Tory party. He is however one of the more extreme versions of this.
I saw this thing about cats the other day, cats are like libertarians, completely dependent of others whilst being fully convinced of their own independence.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:15 am
by JM2K6
dpedin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:55 am
He has always been a shit when it comes to Brexit. However his CV fits the bill, to summarise - Winchester, Marlborough, Oxford Uni, ERG, Daily Telegraph, Spectator, Vote Leave, UKIP supporter, Life Peerage from Blonde Bumbelcunt, anti NHS, anti GFA, covid denier, supporter of the 'Sovereign Individual' ideology ... just a normal right wing, jingoistic, xenophobic, racist twat so endemic in the current Tory party. He is however one of the more extreme versions of this.
You forgot the "global warming is a scam" stuff and IIRC he's also a hardline Christian
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:29 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
Hannan would be happy to talk to you about how atheism is a repressive as the Taliban to show he's actually a nice guy who understands others
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:40 pm
by dpedin
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:15 am
dpedin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:55 am
He has always been a shit when it comes to Brexit. However his CV fits the bill, to summarise - Winchester, Marlborough, Oxford Uni, ERG, Daily Telegraph, Spectator, Vote Leave, UKIP supporter, Life Peerage from Blonde Bumbelcunt, anti NHS, anti GFA, covid denier, supporter of the 'Sovereign Individual' ideology ... just a normal right wing, jingoistic, xenophobic, racist twat so endemic in the current Tory party. He is however one of the more extreme versions of this.
You forgot the "global warming is a scam" stuff and IIRC he's also a hardline Christian
All he needs to add now is 'kiddie fiddler' and he would have the full bhuna!
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:52 am
by sturginho
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:05 am
by fishfoodie
But details of the Shared Prosperity Fund released today by levelling up secretary Michael Gove show that it will hand out £2.6bn over three years, but will not reach the £1.5bn annual total provided by Brussels until 2024-5.
Mr Gove said that the fund will start at £400m this year and only gradually rise to the previous EU level because needy regions will still be receiving funds from Brussels until the end of 2024.
Oh look; another promise of jam tomorrow, that conveniently doesn't happen until after the next election.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:30 pm
by Rinkals
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:40 am
by dpedin
Lack of French staff at French passport control is a new explanation for the queues! Nothing to do with Brexit apparently - do we need to have passports stamped now for entry into France? I presume new systems that do away with requirement for stamping passports are not yet in place?
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:38 am
by GogLais
dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:40 am
Lack of French staff at French passport control is a new explanation for the queues! Nothing to do with Brexit apparently - do we need to have passports stamped now for entry into France? I presume new systems that do away with requirement for stamping passports are not yet in place?
Had it stamped going in and out of Spain a couple of weeks ago but very swift and smooth process
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:14 pm
by Insane_Homer
https://www.cityam.com/110-jobs-lost-br ... nd-europe/
Local media and residents in the English town of Newark, as well as its local MP Robert Jenrick, are said to be shocked and disappointed by the decision of food producer Goodlife Foods to shut up shop annd move its entire production to mainland Europe.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:00 pm
by Hal Jordan
I'm sure Jenrick can find a friendly developer to chuck several hundred draughty shitboxes on the factory site.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:08 pm
by dpedin
Well they can't say they weren't warned!
I wonder if Brexiteers actually believed that we were just making up all these warnings about leaving the EU the way we have? They can't all be stupid bastards like Farage and the other xenophobic Brexit Ultras and must have seen the real consequences. Surely they all couldn't have believed all this sovereign individual and UK spouted by JRM, Raab, and the other Brexit Ultras. They must have realised that they were being led up the garden path by the venture capitalists and the like who were going to make a quick buck? Putting up trade barriers with our largest market that sits on our doorstep and has some of the strongest measures of protecting their own market couldn't have been a complete surprise, surely. They must have realised that businesses would realign to ensure they would have frictionless trade with their main markets? Did they really believe the fairy stories and make believe from the Blonde Bumblecunt? surely they realised that if Brexit was their ticket to power they would actually have ti implement it and manage the consequences or didnt they think they would happen?
Is this is all a complete surprise to them? Who the fuck have we got running the country? Are they all stupid bastards?
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:22 pm
by fishfoodie
dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:08 pm
Is this is all a complete surprise to them? Who the fuck have we got running the country?
Are they all stupid bastards?
On the available evidence ... YES !
Just like the RMT telling it's members to vote for Brexit, to protect them from cheaper foreign labour, & then trowing their toys out of the pram when P&O gave 800 of their members their cards, with zero notice; while all the EU staff remained employed.
Like the fishermen, & farmers that voted for it, despite being warned of the disastrous consequences.
Like the people of the likes of Cornwall, & Wales, that voted for it, despite being warned that the regional funding they got from the EU would disappear like a fart in a hurricane.
They're all fucking idiots, & I haven't an ounce of sympathy. To quote one of the Brexiteer stock quotes.
Everyone knew what they were voting for !
and if they didn't; then they're even bigger fucking idiots !
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:00 am
by Rinkals
I think Brexit was all things to different sections of the electorate.
On the left, I think Corbin saw a pathway to nationalisation without interference from the EU, and, on the right you had people who believed wholeheartedly that the superiority of all things British would ensure that the World would beat a path to their door.
Add to the mix an element of xenophobia and you can easily see a 52% majority voting for Brexit.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:44 am
by dpedin
I see it is now likely that the UK will postpone, for the 4th time, and probably for at least a year, putting checks and tariffs on goods coming across the channel into UK. This obviously leads to all sorts of dangers but most importantly means UK businesses and agriculture are at a real competitive disadvantage as we don't have cheap and frictionless trade for exports to EU but EU has frictionless trade into UK and no tariffs! This is due to the incompetence and lack of planning on behalf of UK Gov who are now fearful that the impact on prices of imported food would be political suicide given cost of living crisis. This is going to destroy many UK businesses and farmers/fishermen. You honestly couldn't make this shitshow up if you tried.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:51 am
by Slick
dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:44 am
I see it is now likely that the UK will postpone, for the 4th time, and probably for at least a year, putting checks and tariffs on goods coming across the channel into UK. This obviously leads to all sorts of dangers but most importantly means UK businesses and agriculture are at a real competitive disadvantage as we don't have cheap and frictionless trade for exports to EU but EU has frictionless trade into UK and no tariffs! This is due to the incompetence and lack of planning on behalf of UK Gov who are now fearful that the impact on prices of imported food would be political suicide given cost of living crisis. This is going to destroy many UK businesses and farmers/fishermen. You honestly couldn't make this shitshow up if you tried.
Well Boris did ask to be left alone to get on with the important stuff like sorting out the cost of living crisis. Presumably hoping that no one would notice that he and his party have been in charge for the entire time leading up to it.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:06 am
by Mahoney
There are a significant number of people who voted to leave because of their dislike of the specific way the EU operates as an institution. And quite a lot of their criticisms are pretty valid & I share them.
Where I part company from them though is that I do not think it follows that we should therefore leave. An institution can be severely flawed and membership can still be better than non-membership. "This is bad, therefore we should leave" only follows if you are going somewhere better. It's pretty obvious to me that Britain hasn't gone somewhere better.
Moreover, membership at least allows a seat at the table in attempts to reform the institution - and if the institution a) isn't going anywhere (and pace leave fantasies, it isn't) and b) is enormously influential on your future, it's obviously foolish to deny yourself that influence. One of the more irritating leave arguments was that getting any change through was painful and slow and frequently impossible against the vested interests of Germany and France, and at the same time we were frequently fighting fairly lonely battles to prevent the EU developing in ways we did not want - but, to state the obvious, not being a member can only possibly reduce our influence over these outcomes.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:28 am
by dpedin
Mahoney wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:06 am
There are a significant number of people who voted to leave because of their dislike of the specific way the EU operates as an institution. And quite a lot of their criticisms are pretty valid & I share them.
Where I part company from them though is that I do not think it follows that we should therefore leave. An institution can be severely flawed and membership can
still be better than non-membership. "This is bad, therefore we should leave" only follows if you are going somewhere better. It's pretty obvious to me that Britain hasn't gone somewhere better.
Moreover, membership at least allows a seat at the table in attempts to reform the institution - and if the institution a) isn't going anywhere (and
pace leave fantasies, it isn't) and b) is enormously influential on your future, it's obviously foolish to deny yourself that influence. One of the more irritating leave arguments was that getting any change through was painful and slow and frequently impossible against the vested interests of Germany and France, and at the same time we were frequently fighting fairly lonely battles to
prevent the EU developing in ways we did not want - but, to state the obvious, not being a member can only possibly reduce our influence over these outcomes.
Sensible response. I agree the EU, like the UK Gov, has a number of flaws in its institutions which require changes and we needed to be inside it to make the changes. As we sit outside the EU we are now seeing the cost of being a 3rd country trying to influence one of the biggest and most protective markets in the world. We are, and will continue to be, whether it is from EU or US or other trading blocs, a rule taker not a rule maker.
Interestingly, in terms of influencing from the inside, to put it simply of the UK votes in the EU 95% of our votes were on the 'winning side' ie we voted yes and the legislative proposals were passed. We abstained in 3% and in only 2% of UK no votes were we on the 'losing side' ie legislative proposal was passed that we voted against. I am not into rehashing all the old debates, that time has passed, but it would seem that the UK got its desired outcome in the vast majority of EU votes for legislative changes. It doesn't seem that the UK were fighting a lonely battle at all, despite the myths at the time?
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:19 am
by Rinkals
Mahoney wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:06 am
There are a significant number of people who voted to leave because of their dislike of the specific way the EU operates as an institution. And quite a lot of their criticisms are pretty valid & I share them.
Where I part company from them though is that I do not think it follows that we should therefore leave. An institution can be severely flawed and membership can
still be better than non-membership. "This is bad, therefore we should leave" only follows if you are going somewhere better. It's pretty obvious to me that Britain hasn't gone somewhere better.
Moreover, membership at least allows a seat at the table in attempts to reform the institution - and if the institution a) isn't going anywhere (and
pace leave fantasies, it isn't) and b) is enormously influential on your future, it's obviously foolish to deny yourself that influence. One of the more irritating leave arguments was that getting any change through was painful and slow and frequently impossible against the vested interests of Germany and France, and at the same time we were frequently fighting fairly lonely battles to
prevent the EU developing in ways we did not want - but, to state the obvious, not being a member can only possibly reduce our influence over these outcomes.
Fair point.
The EU wasn't entirely flawless, but I'm not sure Boris' little clown car is much of an improvement, though.
Mind you, it's easy to say that in retrospect
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:35 am
by Paddington Bear
Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:19 am
Mahoney wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:06 am
There are a significant number of people who voted to leave because of their dislike of the specific way the EU operates as an institution. And quite a lot of their criticisms are pretty valid & I share them.
Where I part company from them though is that I do not think it follows that we should therefore leave. An institution can be severely flawed and membership can
still be better than non-membership. "This is bad, therefore we should leave" only follows if you are going somewhere better. It's pretty obvious to me that Britain hasn't gone somewhere better.
Moreover, membership at least allows a seat at the table in attempts to reform the institution - and if the institution a) isn't going anywhere (and
pace leave fantasies, it isn't) and b) is enormously influential on your future, it's obviously foolish to deny yourself that influence. One of the more irritating leave arguments was that getting any change through was painful and slow and frequently impossible against the vested interests of Germany and France, and at the same time we were frequently fighting fairly lonely battles to
prevent the EU developing in ways we did not want - but, to state the obvious, not being a member can only possibly reduce our influence over these outcomes.
Fair point.
The EU wasn't entirely flawless, but I'm not sure Boris' little clown car is much of an improvement, though.
Mind you, it's easy to say that in retrospect
The retrospective I think is that there is a middle ground between the 'sunlit uplands/ easiest deal in history' rhetoric and what has actually happened in said clown car. A government with a clear direction as to what it was trying to get out of negotiations (accounting for trade offs) and ministers on top of their briefs would have avoided chaos. We'd likely have be talking about difficulties and how boring technical talks are etc instead.
Put it in a rugby context - France were probably always going to lose at Twickenham in 2019 but they didn't have to concede a first half hattrick to Jonny May because they hadn't bothered to have a full back.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:09 pm
by fishfoodie
Being dickheads has consequences #2365
Brexit row threatens £250m in UK research funding from EU
Dispute over Northern Ireland protocol puts associate membership of Horizon Europe scheme in doubt
British universities are facing a brain drain as the row over Brexit in Northern Ireland threatens £250m in research funding from the EU, it has emerged.
The European Research Council (ERC) has written to 98 scientists and academics who were recently approved for €172m (£145m) in grants telling them that if the UK’s associate membership of the €80bn Horizon Europe programme is not ratified they will not be eligible to draw down the money.
Scientists have said they are now scrambling to find alternative EU institutions to host the funding, with some already turning down the ERC money and hoping the UK government’s promise of replacement cash will be delivered.
...
The then Brexit secretary David Frost fought hard to get associate membership of Horizon Europe as part of the trade deal negotiations in 2020 but ratification has been delayed while the UK fails to implement the Northern Ireland protocol.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ng-from-eu
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:22 pm
by petej
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:09 pm
Being dickheads has consequences #2365
Brexit row threatens £250m in UK research funding from EU
Dispute over Northern Ireland protocol puts associate membership of Horizon Europe scheme in doubt
British universities are facing a brain drain as the row over Brexit in Northern Ireland threatens £250m in research funding from the EU, it has emerged.
The European Research Council (ERC) has written to 98 scientists and academics who were recently approved for €172m (£145m) in grants telling them that if the UK’s associate membership of the €80bn Horizon Europe programme is not ratified they will not be eligible to draw down the money.
Scientists have said they are now scrambling to find alternative EU institutions to host the funding, with some already turning down the ERC money and hoping the UK government’s promise of replacement cash will be delivered.
...
The then Brexit secretary David Frost fought hard to get associate membership of Horizon Europe as part of the trade deal negotiations in 2020 but ratification has been delayed while the UK fails to implement the Northern Ireland protocol.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ng-from-eu
The complete idiocy of Brexit is that it continually threatens and damages things the UK is actually good at. I stated on pr that there is destructive nihilist aspect in Brexit and a revenge of the thick kids and old on the younger and cleverer. I think this is part of the reason there isn't real effort going into making Brexit properly work and resolving issues that Brexit has created.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:44 pm
by fishfoodie
petej wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:22 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:09 pm
Being dickheads has consequences #2365
Brexit row threatens £250m in UK research funding from EU
Dispute over Northern Ireland protocol puts associate membership of Horizon Europe scheme in doubt
British universities are facing a brain drain as the row over Brexit in Northern Ireland threatens £250m in research funding from the EU, it has emerged.
The European Research Council (ERC) has written to 98 scientists and academics who were recently approved for €172m (£145m) in grants telling them that if the UK’s associate membership of the €80bn Horizon Europe programme is not ratified they will not be eligible to draw down the money.
Scientists have said they are now scrambling to find alternative EU institutions to host the funding, with some already turning down the ERC money and hoping the UK government’s promise of replacement cash will be delivered.
...
The then Brexit secretary David Frost fought hard to get associate membership of Horizon Europe as part of the trade deal negotiations in 2020 but ratification has been delayed while the UK fails to implement the Northern Ireland protocol.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ng-from-eu
The complete idiocy of Brexit is that it continually threatens and damages things the UK is actually good at. I stated on pr that there is destructive nihilist aspect in Brexit and a revenge of the thick kids and old on the younger and cleverer. I think this is part of the reason there isn't real effort going into making Brexit properly work and resolving issues that Brexit has created.
But in this case, the thick shits actually negotiated a decent position, to maintain funding; but because of the internal politics in the Tory Party, & their continual threats to Peace in NI, they are prepared to piss away £250m, rather than abide by the two Treaties they've signed.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:51 pm
by tabascoboy
But house prices continue to rise, so don't worry, fellow plebs...
Brexit Explains 80% of U.K. Inflation, Former BOE Official Says
Adam Posen says he’d back a half-point rate hike in May
Economist says there’s no chance of a U.S.-U.K. trade deal
Adam Posen, a former Bank of England policy maker, said most of Britain’s inflation problem stems from Brexit and that he’d vote for a half-point interest rate increase to curb an upward surge in prices.
The economist who heads the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, a prominent research group, said that 80% of the reason why the International Monetary Fund expects Britain’s inflation to remain elevated for longer than its Group of Seven peers is the impact of its departure from the European Union on immigration.
“We see a very large gap between the inflation rate in the U.S. and the inflation rate in Europe -- the U.K. ends up in between,” Posen said at a conference hosted by the Changing Europe research group. “You’ve seen a huge drop in migrant labor. When you look at the macro factors, it’s very difficult to see anything other than the labor market issues. It really seems like Brexit has to bear a disproportionate role in explaining the inflation.”
Full article:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... icial-says
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:09 pm
by fishfoodie
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:51 pm
But house prices continue to rise, so don't worry, fellow plebs...
Brexit Explains 80% of U.K. Inflation, Former BOE Official Says
Adam Posen says he’d back a half-point rate hike in May
Economist says there’s no chance of a U.S.-U.K. trade deal
Adam Posen, a former Bank of England policy maker, said most of Britain’s inflation problem stems from Brexit and that he’d vote for a half-point interest rate increase to curb an upward surge in prices.
The economist who heads the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, a prominent research group, said that 80% of the reason why the International Monetary Fund expects Britain’s inflation to remain elevated for longer than its Group of Seven peers is the impact of its departure from the European Union on immigration.
“We see a very large gap between the inflation rate in the U.S. and the inflation rate in Europe -- the U.K. ends up in between,” Posen said at a conference hosted by the Changing Europe research group. “You’ve seen a huge drop in migrant labor. When you look at the macro factors, it’s very difficult to see anything other than the labor market issues. It really seems like Brexit has to bear a disproportionate role in explaining the inflation.”
Full article:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... icial-says
Might I suggest the same cognitive tests, the the Shitgibbon was so proud of having passed; as well as regular drug testing for members of the Cabinet ?
It might improve the quality a tad*
David Frost claims Brexit has gone ‘remarkably smoothly’ amid rising food costs and falling trade
David Frost has claimed that Brexit has gone
“remarkably smoothly”, one day after fresh evidence of rising food costs and firms abandoning trade with the EU.
The negotiator of Boris Johnson’s trade deal – who quit the government last year – claimed there are
“lack of things to talk about”, other than the controversy over the Irish Sea trade border it created.
“Occasionally, another issue like fishing or touring performers gets a look in,” he told an event about the future of the Northern Ireland protocol.
“But, generally, it’s actually quite remarkable how smoothly the total reordering of this country’s relations has gone.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 66600.html
* a tad in this case being one Astronomical unit
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:20 pm
by tabascoboy
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:09 pm
David Frost claims Brexit has gone ‘remarkably smoothly’ amid rising food costs and falling trade
David Frost has claimed that Brexit has gone
“remarkably smoothly”, one day after fresh evidence of rising food costs and firms abandoning trade with the EU.
The negotiator of Boris Johnson’s trade deal – who quit the government last year – claimed there are
“lack of things to talk about”, other than the controversy over the Irish Sea trade border it created.
“Occasionally, another issue like fishing or touring performers gets a look in,” he told an event about the future of the Northern Ireland protocol.
“But, generally, it’s actually quite remarkable how smoothly the total reordering of this country’s relations has gone.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 66600.html
* a tad in this case being one Astronomical unit
It's actually getting towards Kremlin levels of imaginary wall-to-wall blue sky
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:01 pm
by dpedin
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:20 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:09 pm
David Frost claims Brexit has gone ‘remarkably smoothly’ amid rising food costs and falling trade
David Frost has claimed that Brexit has gone
“remarkably smoothly”, one day after fresh evidence of rising food costs and firms abandoning trade with the EU.
The negotiator of Boris Johnson’s trade deal – who quit the government last year – claimed there are
“lack of things to talk about”, other than the controversy over the Irish Sea trade border it created.
“Occasionally, another issue like fishing or touring performers gets a look in,” he told an event about the future of the Northern Ireland protocol.
“But, generally, it’s actually quite remarkable how smoothly the total reordering of this country’s relations has gone.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 66600.html
* a tad in this case being one Astronomical unit
It's actually getting towards Kremlin levels of imaginary wall-to-wall blue sky
Why the feck this unelected bureaucrat gets any airtime is beyond me. He is irrelevant now. His arguments get eviscerated on Twitter by trade experts who know what they are talking about and really only gets a smooth ride from the usual tory press but even they are getting a bit pissed off with what Brexit is turning out to be. He is a failed whisky salesman.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:04 pm
by Biffer
Nightmare queues at Malaga Airport reported yesterday - passport control being the issue. The automatic gates for the EU were empty and there were English tourists getting huffy about the Irish getting preferential treatment
Yeah, that's what happens when you leave the club you fucking clowns.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:13 pm
by fishfoodie
dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:01 pm
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:20 pm
It's actually getting towards Kremlin levels of imaginary wall-to-wall blue sky
Why the feck this unelected bureaucrat gets any airtime is beyond me. He is irrelevant now. His arguments get eviscerated on Twitter by trade experts who know what they are talking about and really only gets a smooth ride from the usual tory press but even they are getting a bit pissed off with what Brexit is turning out to be. He is a failed whisky salesman.
Well, to be fair, he was at a meeting for Unionists ahead of the Assembly elections, so (a) he wasn't talking to the sharpest knives in the drawer; & (b) he was in the one part of the UK, where things are going smoothly ..... because of the Protocol he, & they want to tear up !
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:46 pm
by GogLais
Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:04 pm
Nightmare queues at Malaga Airport reported yesterday - passport control being the issue. The automatic gates for the EU were empty and there were English tourists getting huffy about the Irish getting preferential treatment
Yeah, that's what happens when you leave the club you fucking clowns.
Given the number of British tourists that go through Malaga I’d expect that Spain has put in measures to deal with them, we had no trouble at all a couple of weeks ago. I’m guessing it’s a temporary cock-up with the system or lack of staff rather than an inherent Brexit thing. There were huge delays at Manchester before Easter, nothing to do with Brexit,
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:11 am
by dpedin
GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:46 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:04 pm
Nightmare queues at Malaga Airport reported yesterday - passport control being the issue. The automatic gates for the EU were empty and there were English tourists getting huffy about the Irish getting preferential treatment
Yeah, that's what happens when you leave the club you fucking clowns.
Given the number of British tourists that go through Malaga I’d expect that Spain has put in measures to deal with them, we had no trouble at all a couple of weeks ago. I’m guessing it’s a temporary cock-up with the system or lack of staff rather than an inherent Brexit thing. There were huge delays at Manchester before Easter, nothing to do with Brexit,
Given UK citizens are now 3rd country we need to have our passports stamped in and out of EU. Even if this only takes an extra 30 secs per person this will lead to queues at busy times. There will continue to be delays and queueing at many airports and ports when they are busy. Some EU entry points will have put in extra staff but many won't and some will also be suffering the same issues as the likes of Manchester airport with staffing. There will continue to be queues for non EU entry for some time to come at busy times. The interesting bit of the article was the reaction of Brits having to queue whilst EU citizens just walked through their gates with no waiting time, to see this as 'preferential treatment' is in a way correct, its one of the (many) benefits of being a member of the club that the UK decided it would leave in return for 'sovrenty, init'. We just need to move on and accept the queues, one thing that we are good at as Brits!
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:34 am
by Paddington Bear
I've never been convinced that queuing at an airport will be a great source of Brexit regret. Airports are a shambles a significant amount of the time anyway, and if you don't have to wait forever at passport control you usually wait forever for your bags anyway. I also think that Brits are generally pretty accepting of border regulations - by far the most popular destination for longer travel/emigration is Australia which is very restrictive, and people generally seem to take it as an inconvenience but fair enough.
Plus as Gog says, places reliant on British tourists will adjust accordingly.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:16 pm
by GogLais
dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:11 am
GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:46 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:04 pm
Nightmare queues at Malaga Airport reported yesterday - passport control being the issue. The automatic gates for the EU were empty and there were English tourists getting huffy about the Irish getting preferential treatment
Yeah, that's what happens when you leave the club you fucking clowns.
Given the number of British tourists that go through Malaga I’d expect that Spain has put in measures to deal with them, we had no trouble at all a couple of weeks ago. I’m guessing it’s a temporary cock-up with the system or lack of staff rather than an inherent Brexit thing. There were huge delays at Manchester before Easter, nothing to do with Brexit,
Given UK citizens are now 3rd country we need to have our passports stamped in and out of EU. Even if this only takes an extra 30 secs per person this will lead to queues at busy times. There will continue to be delays and queueing at many airports and ports when they are busy. Some EU entry points will have put in extra staff but many won't and some will also be suffering the same issues as the likes of Manchester airport with staffing. There will continue to be queues for non EU entry for some time to come at busy times. The interesting bit of the article was the reaction of Brits having to queue whilst EU citizens just walked through their gates with no waiting time, to see this as 'preferential treatment' is in a way correct, its one of the (many) benefits of being a member of the club that the UK decided it would leave in return for 'sovrenty, init'. We just need to move on and accept the queues, one thing that we are good at as Brits!
I take the point re being miffed about having to wait but I’m sure the ones mostly put out would have been Remainers anyway. I think the critical factor in all this is what resources airports put into dealing with arrivals, not what system they use.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 8:56 am
by fishfoodie
The Govester finally identified a Brexit
benefit !
The Tories can now quite openly funnel tax payers money to their mates, & donors.
Levelling up secretary Michael Gove has said the Queen’s speech will allow the government to “take advantage” of Brexit opportunities.
“There are more than 20 Bills which we hope will become law,” Mr Gove said, adding: “There are also measures in there which ensure that in the long-term we can take advantage of some of the freedoms and flexibilities that being outside of the EU give us.
“In order for example to use some of the money the government spends on industry to support some of the small and medium sized businesses which are the engine room of the economy.”
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 9:41 am
by dpedin
GogLais wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:16 pm
dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:11 am
GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:46 pm
Given the number of British tourists that go through Malaga I’d expect that Spain has put in measures to deal with them, we had no trouble at all a couple of weeks ago. I’m guessing it’s a temporary cock-up with the system or lack of staff rather than an inherent Brexit thing. There were huge delays at Manchester before Easter, nothing to do with Brexit,
Given UK citizens are now 3rd country we need to have our passports stamped in and out of EU. Even if this only takes an extra 30 secs per person this will lead to queues at busy times. There will continue to be delays and queueing at many airports and ports when they are busy. Some EU entry points will have put in extra staff but many won't and some will also be suffering the same issues as the likes of Manchester airport with staffing. There will continue to be queues for non EU entry for some time to come at busy times. The interesting bit of the article was the reaction of Brits having to queue whilst EU citizens just walked through their gates with no waiting time, to see this as 'preferential treatment' is in a way correct, its one of the (many) benefits of being a member of the club that the UK decided it would leave in return for 'sovrenty, init'. We just need to move on and accept the queues, one thing that we are good at as Brits!
I take the point re being miffed about having to wait but
I’m sure the ones mostly put out would have been Remainers anyway. I think the critical factor in all this is what resources airports put into dealing with arrivals, not what system they use.
That's a pile of pish for a start! I am confident that whether they voted remain or leave all the Brits will be pissed off about having to queue and both will be equally vocal about their disappointment. I am sure all these rabid Farage supporting Leave UK/UKIP voters will be delighted to queue quietly whilst waiting to get into Malaga airport for their 2 weeks of getting blootered in the sun whilst those with Irish passport stroll through without a wait!
In any country I have visited which required a passport check the queue for '3rd country' visitors has always been much much longer than for nationals and associated countries. Getting into the US can be difficult at times and I have often had to wait some time to get through passport control. It is just a fact of life that as a 3rd country we will probably have to queue at busy times to get through EU passport controls and that the country we visit will make sure their deploy staff to avoid their own citizens having to queue first.
Also in most countries it is not the airports that decide on resources for Passport Control but their Governments' equivalent of our very own 'Border Agency/Home Office' who do this.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 9:46 am
by SaintK