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I don't know.......but seeing Scott Kuggeleijn's name on the NZ team sheet still causes me no end of disappointment and shame.

Almost as disgraceful as when the English side got homesick halfway through last year's tour to SA and chartered a jet to take them home

Kiwias wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:48 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:42 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:49 pm

Good one!!

Quite remarkably dense whataboutery

What if they had waved their todgers at the crowd while urinating on the pitch?

Then that would've been remarkably shitty

but things the players did in an empty stadium is a mile away from "taunting the crowd", and you don't need to be woke (ffs) to point out that taunting the crowd is a shitty thing to do. Even if it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, it's worthy of some criticism, but I wasn't expecting Team Kiwi to leap to Kohli's defence as if he were Elon Musk

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:12 am Almost as disgraceful as when the English side got homesick halfway through last year's tour to SA and chartered a jet to take them home

At the height of the pandemic with no vaccines and with positive results from players in a biosecure bubble...

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:48 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:30 am The more you look at it the more disgraceful this gets.

Is the accusation that the Indian players don’t really want to play because they want a bit of rest before the IPL, or that they don’t want to risk getting COVID and being banned? Not being disingenuous, just not following

The former, and given the clout the BCCI have the match will end up being recorded as a no result and they'll take the series.

Tbf to the Indian team having your coaching and support staff in isolation would be detrimental to your preparation and playing of the match. England already got 4 matches out of the series which is more than any of the "minor" cricketing nations gets

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:13 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:48 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:42 am

Quite remarkably dense whataboutery

What if they had waved their todgers at the crowd while urinating on the pitch?

Then that would've been remarkably shitty

but things the players did in an empty stadium is a mile away from "taunting the crowd", and you don't need to be woke (ffs) to point out that taunting the crowd is a shitty thing to do. Even if it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, it's worthy of some criticism, but I wasn't expecting Team Kiwi to leap to Kohli's defence as if he were Elon Musk

You really need to be pretty pompous to think it is worthy of critisism

Calculon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:43 am Tbf to the Indian team having your coaching and support staff in isolation would be detrimental to your preparation and playing of the match. England already got 4 matches out of the series which is more than any of the "minor" cricketing nations gets

It was fine at the Oval when the same thing happened, mind.

Calculon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:50 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:13 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:48 am

What if they had waved their todgers at the crowd while urinating on the pitch?

Then that would've been remarkably shitty

but things the players did in an empty stadium is a mile away from "taunting the crowd", and you don't need to be woke (ffs) to point out that taunting the crowd is a shitty thing to do. Even if it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, it's worthy of some criticism, but I wasn't expecting Team Kiwi to leap to Kohli's defence as if he were Elon Musk

You really need to be pretty pompous to think it is worthy of critisism

"don't taunt the fans" is pompous now?!

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:50 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:50 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:13 am

Then that would've been remarkably shitty

but things the players did in an empty stadium is a mile away from "taunting the crowd", and you don't need to be woke (ffs) to point out that taunting the crowd is a shitty thing to do. Even if it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, it's worthy of some criticism, but I wasn't expecting Team Kiwi to leap to Kohli's defence as if he were Elon Musk

You really need to be pretty pompous to think it is worthy of critisism

"don't taunt the fans" is pompous now?!

Yes, some people think light heartedly mocking the barmy army is not worthy of critisism, others such as yourself and the daily mail journalist disagree. Not sure there's much else to be said.

So England does not lose 2 home test series in the same Summer after all?

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:50 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:43 am Tbf to the Indian team having your coaching and support staff in isolation would be detrimental to your preparation and playing of the match. England already got 4 matches out of the series which is more than any of the "minor" cricketing nations gets

It was fine at the Oval when the same thing happened, mind.

Possibly it wasn't fine, but india weren't ahead in the series at that time

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:12 am Almost as disgraceful as when the English side got homesick halfway through last year's tour to SA and chartered a jet to take them home

J2mk is right, that cancellation was justified. What the aussies did by refusing to tour SA was the actual shit thing to do

Calculon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:57 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:50 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:50 am

You really need to be pretty pompous to think it is worthy of critisism

"don't taunt the fans" is pompous now?!

Yes, some people think light heartedly mocking the barmy army is not worthy of critisism, others such as yourself and the daily mail journalist disagree. Not sure there's much else to be said.

A disagreement over whether something is worthy of criticism is one thing, calling people pompous and bleating about 'woke' over something that's always been viewed pretty dimly, particularly in cricket, is another. But heyho, on we go.

https://www.yorkshireccc.com/news/view/ ... mendations

Azeem Rafiq statement released. Poor show not publishing the full report but the grapevine suggests some of the people implicated have the ability to seriously lawyer up.

Regardless, Yorkshire come out very poorly and a number of the accusations made are things I very much recognise from cricket so would not be shocked in the slightest if they did go on, notwithstanding not being proven.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:18 pm https://www.yorkshireccc.com/news/view/ ... mendations

Azeem Rafiq statement released. Poor show not publishing the full report but the grapevine suggests some of the people implicated have the ability to seriously lawyer up.

Regardless, Yorkshire come out very poorly and a number of the accusations made are things I very much recognise from cricket so would not be shocked in the slightest if they did go on, notwithstanding not being proven.

Remarkable timing, eh?

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:22 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:18 pm https://www.yorkshireccc.com/news/view/ ... mendations

Azeem Rafiq statement released. Poor show not publishing the full report but the grapevine suggests some of the people implicated have the ability to seriously lawyer up.

Regardless, Yorkshire come out very poorly and a number of the accusations made are things I very much recognise from cricket so would not be shocked in the slightest if they did go on, notwithstanding not being proven.

Remarkable timing, eh?

Yeah they've been pretty shameless throughout this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/crick ... level.html

Don't agree with everything in this article but there are some very good points about the club game and segregation within it.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:18 pm https://www.yorkshireccc.com/news/view/ ... mendations

Azeem Rafiq statement released. Poor show not publishing the full report but the grapevine suggests some of the people implicated have the ability to seriously lawyer up.

Regardless, Yorkshire come out very poorly and a number of the accusations made are things I very much recognise from cricket so would not be shocked in the slightest if they did go on, notwithstanding not being proven.

Only released now after bowing to MP pressure.

In the early 90s at Headingley, England fans threw a pig's head into the Pak supporters and almost caused a riot.

I recall Yorkshire fans outside Taunton for a JPL game in the early 80s chanting "Yorkshire ain't got no n*ggers" in reference to Richards and Big Bird.

Leeds is probably the most racist supporter football club around. Even worse than Millwall. Had moments with Shef Wed scum too on more than one occasion.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:16 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:48 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:30 am The more you look at it the more disgraceful this gets.

Is the accusation that the Indian players don’t really want to play because they want a bit of rest before the IPL, or that they don’t want to risk getting COVID and being banned? Not being disingenuous, just not following

The former, and given the clout the BCCI have the match will end up being recorded as a no result and they'll take the series.

Does that mean much in practical terms? Is there significant prize money attached to winning the series?

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:22 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:18 pm https://www.yorkshireccc.com/news/view/ ... mendations

Azeem Rafiq statement released. Poor show not publishing the full report but the grapevine suggests some of the people implicated have the ability to seriously lawyer up.

Regardless, Yorkshire come out very poorly and a number of the accusations made are things I very much recognise from cricket so would not be shocked in the slightest if they did go on, notwithstanding not being proven.

Remarkable timing, eh?

This one

During his second spell at the Club, a former player made references to Azeem Rafiq’s
weight and fitness that amounted to bullying.

load of bollocks, he is a professional sportsman who has a duty to be fit enough to play the game, if he rocks up fat and unfit, how can that be seen as bullying if he is being pulled up on it? Jesus Christ, if thats the standard we are all being held to, Andy Goode should lawyer up, he will make millions.

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:01 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:16 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:48 am

Is the accusation that the Indian players don’t really want to play because they want a bit of rest before the IPL, or that they don’t want to risk getting COVID and being banned? Not being disingenuous, just not following

The former, and given the clout the BCCI have the match will end up being recorded as a no result and they'll take the series.

Does that mean much in practical terms? Is there significant prize money attached to winning the series?

Winning a five match series in England is one of the few things India have never achieved.

ASMO wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:11 pm
This one

During his second spell at the Club, a former player made references to Azeem Rafiq’s
weight and fitness that amounted to bullying.

load of bollocks, he is a professional sportsman who has a duty to be fit enough to play the game, if he rocks up fat and unfit, how can that be seen as bullying if he is being pulled up on it? Jesus Christ, if thats the standard we are all being held to, Andy Goode should lawyer up, he will make millions.

To be honest I'm not sure why it's within the remit of a report around racism.

Can see why it would be included if it's part of a broader pattern - a lot of discriminatory behaviour is death by a thousand cuts.

This would be even more so the case if no other fatties get the same treatment he did.

Thinking about it a little further - I know in the pro game and the pathway to it there was/is a stigma that British Pakistanis are lazy and won't put the effort in. May have been the weight comments had that slant to them.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:07 pm

A disagreement over whether something is worthy of criticism is one thing, calling people pompous and bleating about 'woke' over something that's always been viewed pretty dimly, particularly in cricket, is another. But heyho, on we go.

Oh come on!! Players have bantered and sledged with the crowds since the game begun. You and your journo are only moaning because you don't like the guy the that did it.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:25 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:07 pm

A disagreement over whether something is worthy of criticism is one thing, calling people pompous and bleating about 'woke' over something that's always been viewed pretty dimly, particularly in cricket, is another. But heyho, on we go.

Oh come on!! Players have bantered and sledged with the crowds since the game begun. You and your journo are only moaning because you don't like the guy the that did it.

Which of course is a good enough reason to

Well, that's the point. When the England player does it, it's fine, but not that Indian player.

It reminds me of the stuchie over Bumrah bouncing Anderson.

It's fine if Archer bowls consecutive beamers (the second of which wasn't called) at Nortje, our number eleven, but Heaven help anyone who tries to intimidate an English tail ender with short pitched bowling.

Steve Harmison acknowledging that India's cancellation of the Test in favour of the IPL didn't set the precedent.

https://talksport.com/sport/cricket/940 ... 1631268338

“When you’re choosing to go down this road, that’s it done.

“Let’s be fair before we start throwing stones, England did it to South Africa. Let’s get that straight from the very start. We’re not the totally innocent party in this because we came home when we didn’t know what was going on.

“But this is all about the IPL. End of.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:59 pm Steve Harmison acknowledging that India's cancellation of the Test in favour of the IPL didn't set the precedent.

https://talksport.com/sport/cricket/940 ... 1631268338

“When you’re choosing to go down this road, that’s it done.

“Let’s be fair before we start throwing stones, England did it to South Africa. Let’s get that straight from the very start. We’re not the totally innocent party in this because we came home when we didn’t know what was going on.

“But this is all about the IPL. End of.

South Africa flying nicely under the radar a bit for the upcoming T20 tournament.

Tabraiz Shamsi: South Africa 'not as bad' as people think

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:29 am South Africa flying nicely under the radar a bit for the upcoming T20 tournament.

Tabraiz Shamsi: South Africa 'not as bad' as people think

Been watching it. Our spinners did well.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:25 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:07 pm

A disagreement over whether something is worthy of criticism is one thing, calling people pompous and bleating about 'woke' over something that's always been viewed pretty dimly, particularly in cricket, is another. But heyho, on we go.

Oh come on!! Players have bantered and sledged with the crowds since the game begun. You and your journo are only moaning because you don't like the guy the that did it.

I like the guy that did it, so that's your genius idea out the window already

ASMO wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:11 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:22 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:18 pm https://www.yorkshireccc.com/news/view/ ... mendations

Azeem Rafiq statement released. Poor show not publishing the full report but the grapevine suggests some of the people implicated have the ability to seriously lawyer up.

Regardless, Yorkshire come out very poorly and a number of the accusations made are things I very much recognise from cricket so would not be shocked in the slightest if they did go on, notwithstanding not being proven.

Remarkable timing, eh?

This one

During his second spell at the Club, a former player made references to Azeem Rafiq’s
weight and fitness that amounted to bullying.

load of bollocks, he is a professional sportsman who has a duty to be fit enough to play the game, if he rocks up fat and unfit, how can that be seen as bullying if he is being pulled up on it? Jesus Christ, if thats the standard we are all being held to, Andy Goode should lawyer up, he will make millions.

Weird how you assumed the remarks were deserved and went from there

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:30 am

ASMO wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:11 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:22 pm

Remarkable timing, eh?

This one

During his second spell at the Club, a former player made references to Azeem Rafiq’s
weight and fitness that amounted to bullying.

load of bollocks, he is a professional sportsman who has a duty to be fit enough to play the game, if he rocks up fat and unfit, how can that be seen as bullying if he is being pulled up on it? Jesus Christ, if thats the standard we are all being held to, Andy Goode should lawyer up, he will make millions.

Weird how you assumed the remarks were deserved and went from there

Depends on how it was done but it the 2nd version, then I agree with you.

It's one thing to properly bring an employee to account over a failure to perform in his role: in this case "We are concerned about your fitness".
And another to simply bully him: "Stop eating all the samosas you fat f**ker".

We have a painful and awkward episode going on in South African Cricket. A series of hearings on transformation issues have exposed a fair bit of racism and backward attitudes amongst the Graeme Smith and earlier era white cricketers. A lot of it seems to be reactionary bs from not good enough cricketers like Paul Adams and a few others. But it has come out that there was a fair bit of substance behind some of the charges.

This English dude seems, on the surface to be a bit of sensitive bloke but having empathy for a brown guy coming into a predominantly white environment takes a fair bit of EQ which most twenty something sportsmen won't have. These guys would have grown learning history about their ancestors being invaded by white men in redcoats. Paul Adams ancestors were enslaved by Dutchmen in Asia. I'm not a big snowflake type but I have some kind of understanding of how POC think.

SL 86/7 after 14.5 overs.

South Africa actually on a pretty good run of T20's. Obviously just for me to get my hopes up before the T20 World Cup.

The big 20/20 series starts tomorrow with Scotland v Zim in Edinburgh.

Going on Friday for the 2nd one.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:08 pm The big 20/20 series starts tomorrow with Scotland v Zim in Edinburgh.

Going on Friday for the 2nd one.

Got a group of us going on Friday as well.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:57 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:08 pm The big 20/20 series starts tomorrow with Scotland v Zim in Edinburgh.

Going on Friday for the 2nd one.

Got a group of us going on Friday as well.

Hope the weather holds up, looks a bit touch and go.

Good win for Scotland, beat Zimbabwe by 7 runs.

Scotland 141/6 Berrington 82 n.o.
Zimbabwe 134/9