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Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:26 am

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:34 pm There has to be some middle ground between the industrialised "asylums" of the 50s & 60s, & the, "Care in the Community" model of here & now !

There is no way that someone who can commit an atrocity such as today's is, sane, or at least not by any definition that will satisfy me or 99.999% of humanity, & so we are left with the question of how society deals with people like this ?

There are countless examples of people who have severe mental-health issues, & the system processes them & decides they can be, "controlled" thru the wonders of pharma, but the individual doesn't want to take the pills, because the pills make them feel awful, so they just prefer to listen to the voices in their head, & their case worker has a hundred other cases, so no-one notices they've stopped attending or whatever.

Add in SM & the bad actors on there that seem to view other troubled people as toys & will say anything to monetize hate, & you end up with people who make money off the most horrific acts.

There is exceptionally little mental health care out there. What there is, is massively overwhelmed and doesn't stand much of a chance. My wife works in care in the community, and has desperately asked repeatedly that they get at least the bare minimum of mental health training, but to no success. She's dealing with schizophrenic, bipolay, dementia etc etc with no training as to how they should be doing this (the conditions aren't necessarily the reason she's there, but these people often require more general care too).

Lets hope that labour do indeed overhaul mental health.

Uncle fester wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:46 am

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:26 am

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:34 pm There has to be some middle ground between the industrialised "asylums" of the 50s & 60s, & the, "Care in the Community" model of here & now !

There is no way that someone who can commit an atrocity such as today's is, sane, or at least not by any definition that will satisfy me or 99.999% of humanity, & so we are left with the question of how society deals with people like this ?

There are countless examples of people who have severe mental-health issues, & the system processes them & decides they can be, "controlled" thru the wonders of pharma, but the individual doesn't want to take the pills, because the pills make them feel awful, so they just prefer to listen to the voices in their head, & their case worker has a hundred other cases, so no-one notices they've stopped attending or whatever.

Add in SM & the bad actors on there that seem to view other troubled people as toys & will say anything to monetize hate, & you end up with people who make money off the most horrific acts.

There is exceptionally little mental health care out there. What there is, is massively overwhelmed and doesn't stand much of a chance. My wife works in care in the community, and has desperately asked repeatedly that they get at least the bare minimum of mental health training, but to no success. She's dealing with schizophrenic, bipolay, dementia etc etc with no training as to how they should be doing this (the conditions aren't necessarily the reason she's there, but these people often require more general care too).

Lets hope that labour do indeed overhaul mental health.

There was a documentary recently on Jake Davison and his background leading into the Plymouth shootings. If ever there was a lad who should have been kept away from guns, it was this guy but it also looked at his deterioration once he left school and the sudden removal of supports that had been with him through his time in school.

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:53 am

Uncle fester wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:46 am

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:26 am

There is exceptionally little mental health care out there. What there is, is massively overwhelmed and doesn't stand much of a chance. My wife works in care in the community, and has desperately asked repeatedly that they get at least the bare minimum of mental health training, but to no success. She's dealing with schizophrenic, bipolay, dementia etc etc with no training as to how they should be doing this (the conditions aren't necessarily the reason she's there, but these people often require more general care too).

Lets hope that labour do indeed overhaul mental health.

There was a documentary recently on Jake Davison and his background leading into the Plymouth shootings. If ever there was a lad who should have been kept away from guns, it was this guy but it also looked at his deterioration once he left school and the sudden removal of supports that had been with him through his time in school.

It was pretty painful as it just looked so avoidable with some sensible intervention.

I wasn't always quite convinced on the veracity of what his mum, dad and step-dad had to say, but that's probably just because they're not particularly articulate or media-savvy (i.e. they're just everyday) people. To be honest, in perfect world helping them to help him would have been a good step.

On the topic of mental health workers and social workers in the round, and without being glib, I hold them in huge regard as they're doing very challenging work with minimal resource.

Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:35 am A court orders the video not be played, so you come in here and play it.

A frenzied knife attack in Southport at a Taylor Swift themed dance class for kids resulting in death and injury and you wade into it with your usual nutbag conspiracy line... but wait

Kennedy said the 17-year-old suspect, who police said was born in Cardiff, will now be questioned by detectives

it's one of yours DAC. One of your own from your kitbag of conspiracy and terrorism. What now, raise the Spatula of Jihad and march on the streets of Wrexham?

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:26 am

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:34 pm There has to be some middle ground between the industrialised "asylums" of the 50s & 60s, & the, "Care in the Community" model of here & now !

There is no way that someone who can commit an atrocity such as today's is, sane, or at least not by any definition that will satisfy me or 99.999% of humanity, & so we are left with the question of how society deals with people like this ?

There are countless examples of people who have severe mental-health issues, & the system processes them & decides they can be, "controlled" thru the wonders of pharma, but the individual doesn't want to take the pills, because the pills make them feel awful, so they just prefer to listen to the voices in their head, & their case worker has a hundred other cases, so no-one notices they've stopped attending or whatever.

Add in SM & the bad actors on there that seem to view other troubled people as toys & will say anything to monetize hate, & you end up with people who make money off the most horrific acts.

There is exceptionally little mental health care out there. What there is, is massively overwhelmed and doesn't stand much of a chance. My wife works in care in the community, and has desperately asked repeatedly that they get at least the bare minimum of mental health training, but to no success. She's dealing with schizophrenic, bipolay, dementia etc etc with no training as to how they should be doing this (the conditions aren't necessarily the reason she's there, but these people often require more general care too).

Lets hope that labour do indeed overhaul mental health.

David in Gwent wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:59 am

Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:35 am A court orders the video not be played, so you come in here and play it.

A frenzied knife attack in Southport at a Taylor Swift themed dance class for kids resulting in death and injury and you wade into it with your usual nutbag conspiracy line... but wait

Kennedy said the 17-year-old suspect, who police said was born in Cardiff, will now be questioned by detectives

it's one of yours DAC. One of your own from your kitbag of conspiracy and terrorism. What now, raise the Spatula of Jihad and march on the streets of Wrexham?

The fact that the child killer is not a new arrival, but a second-generation immigrant, is worse

It means assimilation efforts completely failed

Born in Cardiff, brought up in Merseyside, and still derranged enough to stab a nursery full of children on a whim.

sefton wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:39 pm

C69 wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:02 pm

SaintK wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:39 pm
17 year old boy arrested.
Police cinfirm that it is not terror related and nobody else involved.

Jesus, I walked down that street yesterday. My colleague in work has sent her children to the kids club where this happened.
Bit too fucking close to home.

Five minutes from my house. My girls had previously gone there. The wife has done exercise classes there. Just a really shit day.

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:14 pm

sefton wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:39 pm

C69 wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:02 pm

Jesus, I walked down that street yesterday. My colleague in work has sent her children to the kids club where this happened.
Bit too fucking close to home.

Five minutes from my house. My girls had previously gone there. The wife has done exercise classes there. Just a really shit day.

It's just dreadful stuff.

Not sure if mentioned here, but a third child has died. Girls of 6, 7 and 9.

Zapp Bannigan wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:26 pm DAC won't be posting again

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:13 pm I do like living in the Countryside !

I just wandered up to the back of my garden to get something from the shed, & as I was opening the door I noticed the young fox I've seen lately rooting around in my compost heap, only 3m meters away; he looked up, I said hello, & he re-commenced rooting for food

I christened him "Hollywood" when I first spotted him, as he has film star good looks, he's straight from central casting.

And last night I was looking thru the footage on my wildlife can, & among all the clips of Hollywood, I spotted a Pine Marten skipping thru the garden

I think this place saved my sanity during Covid

I'll pop up some photos up once I copy the files off the SD Card

Zapp Bannigan wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:26 pm DAC won't be posting again

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:27 pm [media][/media]

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:13 pm I do like living in the Countryside !

I just wandered up to the back of my garden to get something from the shed, & as I was opening the door I noticed the young fox I've seen lately rooting around in my compost heap, only 3m meters away; he looked up, I said hello, & he re-commenced rooting for food

I christened him "Hollywood" when I first spotted him, as he has film star good looks, he's straight from central casting.

And last night I was looking thru the footage on my wildlife can, & among all the clips of Hollywood, I spotted a Pine Marten skipping thru the garden

I think this place saved my sanity during Covid

I'll pop up some photos up once I copy the files off the SD Card

I love foxes - we get one in our garden who just lounges about.

I gather they're not so great when you get them breeding, but so far he's been on his own.



Image quality a bit crappy as shot through a window

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:05 am

Zapp Bannigan wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:26 pm DAC won't be posting again

Whilst the bloke is a total scumbag, I do find him quite fascinating.

It’s difficult to imagine a more perfect example of someone being radicalised online. He always had a hint of cunt even back in the day, but to watch his progression from that to full racist conspiracy theory nut job over the course of the last few years has been fairly incredible. You hear about it happening but to watch it unfold is actually a little scary.

dpedin wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:06 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:27 pm [media][/media]

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:13 pm I do like living in the Countryside !

I just wandered up to the back of my garden to get something from the shed, & as I was opening the door I noticed the young fox I've seen lately rooting around in my compost heap, only 3m meters away; he looked up, I said hello, & he re-commenced rooting for food

I christened him "Hollywood" when I first spotted him, as he has film star good looks, he's straight from central casting.

And last night I was looking thru the footage on my wildlife can, & among all the clips of Hollywood, I spotted a Pine Marten skipping thru the garden

I think this place saved my sanity during Covid

I'll pop up some photos up once I copy the files off the SD Card

I love foxes - we get one in our garden who just lounges about.

I gather they're not so great when you get them breeding, but so far he's been on his own.



Image quality a bit crappy as shot through a window

I live on the outskirts of Edinburgh and lucky enough to live right next to Water of Leith river. Lots of wild life including foxes but love catching glimpses of the kingfishers on the water and the otters further downstream from me. Not to keen on the water rats mind you! Playing golf this afternoon and will no doubt catch a sight of the red deer who live on course and the family of buzzards that nest in trees next to 6th tee and 12th fairway.

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:25 am

dpedin wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:06 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:27 pm [media][/media]

I love foxes - we get one in our garden who just lounges about.

I gather they're not so great when you get them breeding, but so far he's been on his own.



Image quality a bit crappy as shot through a window

I live on the outskirts of Edinburgh and lucky enough to live right next to Water of Leith river. Lots of wild life including foxes but love catching glimpses of the kingfishers on the water and the otters further downstream from me. Not to keen on the water rats mind you! Playing golf this afternoon and will no doubt catch a sight of the red deer who live on course and the family of buzzards that nest in trees next to 6th tee and 12th fairway.

We had dolphins and seals at Porty the last couple of days with rumours of a Humpback making its way down from North Berwick today

inactionman wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:26 am

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:25 am

dpedin wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:06 am

I live on the outskirts of Edinburgh and lucky enough to live right next to Water of Leith river. Lots of wild life including foxes but love catching glimpses of the kingfishers on the water and the otters further downstream from me. Not to keen on the water rats mind you! Playing golf this afternoon and will no doubt catch a sight of the red deer who live on course and the family of buzzards that nest in trees next to 6th tee and 12th fairway.

We had dolphins and seals at Porty the last couple of days with rumours of a Humpback making its way down from North Berwick today

Did you race them?

I'll see about bringing kids over, we took them to Farne Isles and they loved the seals.

Archaeologists find stone tool marks on 21,000-year-old Glyptodont bones in Argentina, challenging traditional dates for human settlement in South America

Abstract: The initial peopling of South America is a topic of intense archaeological debate. Among the most contentious issues remain the nature of the human-megafauna interaction and the possible role of humans, along with climatic change, in the extinction of several megamammal genera at the end of the Pleistocene. In this study, we present the analysis of fossil remains with cutmarks belonging to a specimen of Neosclerocalyptus (Xenarthra, Glyptodontidae), found on the banks of the Reconquista River, northeast of the Pampean region (Argentina), whose AMS 14C dating corresponds to the Last Glacial Maximum (21,090–20,811 cal YBP). Paleoenvironmental reconstructions, stratigraphic descriptions, absolute chronological dating of bone materials, and deposits suggest a relatively rapid burial event of the bone assemblage in a semi-dry climate during a wet season. Quantitative and qualitative analyses of the cut marks, reconstruction of butchering sequences, and assessments of the possible agents involved in the observed bone surface modifications indicate anthropic activities. Our results provide new elements for discussing the earliest peopling of southern South America and specifically for the interaction between humans and local megafauna in the Pampean region during the Last Glacial Maximum.

The initial peopling of South America is a topic of intense archaeological debate. Among the most contentious issues remain the nature of the human-megafauna interaction and the possible role of humans, along with climatic change, in the extinction of several megamammal genera at the end of the Pleistocene..... Our results provide new elements for discussing the earliest peopling of southern South America and specifically for the interaction between humans and local megafauna in the Pampean region during the Last Glacial Maximum.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... ne.0304956

tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:58 pm Call me a nerd but I love these kinds of discoveries:

Archaeologists find stone tool marks on 21,000-year-old Glyptodont bones in Argentina, challenging traditional dates for human settlement in South America

Abstract: The initial peopling of South America is a topic of intense archaeological debate. Among the most contentious issues remain the nature of the human-megafauna interaction and the possible role of humans, along with climatic change, in the extinction of several megamammal genera at the end of the Pleistocene. In this study, we present the analysis of fossil remains with cutmarks belonging to a specimen of Neosclerocalyptus (Xenarthra, Glyptodontidae), found on the banks of the Reconquista River, northeast of the Pampean region (Argentina), whose AMS 14C dating corresponds to the Last Glacial Maximum (21,090–20,811 cal YBP). Paleoenvironmental reconstructions, stratigraphic descriptions, absolute chronological dating of bone materials, and deposits suggest a relatively rapid burial event of the bone assemblage in a semi-dry climate during a wet season. Quantitative and qualitative analyses of the cut marks, reconstruction of butchering sequences, and assessments of the possible agents involved in the observed bone surface modifications indicate anthropic activities. Our results provide new elements for discussing the earliest peopling of southern South America and specifically for the interaction between humans and local megafauna in the Pampean region during the Last Glacial Maximum.

The initial peopling of South America is a topic of intense archaeological debate. Among the most contentious issues remain the nature of the human-megafauna interaction and the possible role of humans, along with climatic change, in the extinction of several megamammal genera at the end of the Pleistocene..... Our results provide new elements for discussing the earliest peopling of southern South America and specifically for the interaction between humans and local megafauna in the Pampean region during the Last Glacial Maximum.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... ne.0304956

A shoplifter who stole 798 Cadbury's Creme Eggs has been jailed for eight months.
Portsmouth Magistrates' Court heard on Friday that Layton Richards, 29, from Brownlow Close in Portsmouth, had been charged with 24 shoplifting offences.
Hampshire and Isle of Wight Constabulary said he had stolen the chocolate between 6 January and 18 April.
Richards targeted 19 shops across Hampshire, Dorset and West Sussex, and took £3,463.96 worth of produce and products.

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:27 pm [media][/media]

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:13 pm I do like living in the Countryside !

I just wandered up to the back of my garden to get something from the shed, & as I was opening the door I noticed the young fox I've seen lately rooting around in my compost heap, only 3m meters away; he looked up, I said hello, & he re-commenced rooting for food

I christened him "Hollywood" when I first spotted him, as he has film star good looks, he's straight from central casting.

And last night I was looking thru the footage on my wildlife can, & among all the clips of Hollywood, I spotted a Pine Marten skipping thru the garden

I think this place saved my sanity during Covid

I'll pop up some photos up once I copy the files off the SD Card

I love foxes - we get one in our garden who just lounges about.

I gather they're not so great when you get them breeding, but so far he's been on his own.



Image quality a bit crappy as shot through a window

Niegs wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 1:26 am

Sinkers wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:29 am

Niegs wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 1:26 am

Golden Oldies having their big global festival shindig here in SG next year. Expecting that to be a lot of fun!!

Lee Carsley is expected to be the interim manager of the England men's senior team when they play their Nations League games against the Republic of Ireland and Finland next month.

Carsley led England Under-21s as they won the European Championship in 2023 for the first time in 39 years.

Gareth Southgate resigned as England manager two days after defeat by Spain in the 2024 Euros final last month.

The path from under-21s manager to caretaker boss of the senior team is well trodden, with Howard Wilkinson, Stuart Pearce and Southgate all stepping up after taking charge of the Young Lions.

Southgate went on to secure the job permanently and led the side for eight years, reaching a World Cup semi-final in 2018, a World Cup quarter-final in 2022 and Euros finals in 2021 and 2024.

The Football Association have been conducting a search for a replacement and a job advert was published on their website.

The FA has not commented on the search for Southgate's replacement but have always made clear they have had an "interim solution in place".

Carsley, 50, is a former Premier League midfielder who played for clubs including Derby and Everton in a 17-year career.

He moved into management and took charge of Coventry, Brentford and Birmingham on a caretaker basis before joining the England set-up in 2020.

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:23 pm See this is what pisses off the Irish !

Lee Carsley is expected to be the interim manager of the England men's senior team when they play their Nations League games against the Republic of Ireland and Finland next month.

Carsley led England Under-21s as they won the European Championship in 2023 for the first time in 39 years.

Gareth Southgate resigned as England manager two days after defeat by Spain in the 2024 Euros final last month.

The path from under-21s manager to caretaker boss of the senior team is well trodden, with Howard Wilkinson, Stuart Pearce and Southgate all stepping up after taking charge of the Young Lions.

Southgate went on to secure the job permanently and led the side for eight years, reaching a World Cup semi-final in 2018, a World Cup quarter-final in 2022 and Euros finals in 2021 and 2024.

The Football Association have been conducting a search for a replacement and a job advert was published on their website.

The FA has not commented on the search for Southgate's replacement but have always made clear they have had an "interim solution in place".

Carsley, 50, is a former Premier League midfielder who played for clubs including Derby and Everton in a 17-year career.

He moved into management and took charge of Coventry, Brentford and Birmingham on a caretaker basis before joining the England set-up in 2020.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/arti ... gj2rlpjwyo

Not a single mention of Lee being a former Irish International, & being offered the Irish job, & understandably turning it down.

If it was a former English International player, they'd have mentioned how many Caps, etc etc, but not this time.

inactionman wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:34 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:23 pm See this is what pisses off the Irish !

Lee Carsley is expected to be the interim manager of the England men's senior team when they play their Nations League games against the Republic of Ireland and Finland next month.

Carsley led England Under-21s as they won the European Championship in 2023 for the first time in 39 years.

Gareth Southgate resigned as England manager two days after defeat by Spain in the 2024 Euros final last month.

The path from under-21s manager to caretaker boss of the senior team is well trodden, with Howard Wilkinson, Stuart Pearce and Southgate all stepping up after taking charge of the Young Lions.

Southgate went on to secure the job permanently and led the side for eight years, reaching a World Cup semi-final in 2018, a World Cup quarter-final in 2022 and Euros finals in 2021 and 2024.

The Football Association have been conducting a search for a replacement and a job advert was published on their website.

The FA has not commented on the search for Southgate's replacement but have always made clear they have had an "interim solution in place".

Carsley, 50, is a former Premier League midfielder who played for clubs including Derby and Everton in a 17-year career.

He moved into management and took charge of Coventry, Brentford and Birmingham on a caretaker basis before joining the England set-up in 2020.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/arti ... gj2rlpjwyo

Not a single mention of Lee being a former Irish International, & being offered the Irish job, & understandably turning it down.

If it was a former English International player, they'd have mentioned how many Caps, etc etc, but not this time.

I appreciate some press can be a bit parochial, but it feels a little like you're trawling for offence here.

I'm not sure he'll hold onto the role permanently, although he's got a shot. I'm just glad the FA are appreciating a development pipeline (of sorts) for managers. Just being an ex-footballer who is good with the media isn't good enough. There was an unhappy time when the likes of Redknapp would have been serious contenders.

Lee Kevin Carsley (born 28 February 1974) is a former professional footballer who is head coach of England U21.

In a playing career lasting 17 years, he is best remembered for his spells as a midfielder in the Premier League and Football League with Everton and Derby County. Born in Birmingham, England, Carsley represented the Republic of Ireland at international level. After retiring from playing in 2011, Carsley entered coaching with Coventry City. He held youth roles with Coventry, Brentford, Manchester City and Birmingham City, serving each club (bar Manchester City) as interim first team manager. Carsley joined the England youth setup as a specialist coach in 2015, before being appointed head coach of England U20 in 2020 and then being promoted to England U21 in 2021 and leading them to victory in the European Championship in 2023.[3]

Tichtheid wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 2:13 pm

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:27 pm [media][/media]

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:13 pm I do like living in the Countryside !

I just wandered up to the back of my garden to get something from the shed, & as I was opening the door I noticed the young fox I've seen lately rooting around in my compost heap, only 3m meters away; he looked up, I said hello, & he re-commenced rooting for food

I christened him "Hollywood" when I first spotted him, as he has film star good looks, he's straight from central casting.

And last night I was looking thru the footage on my wildlife can, & among all the clips of Hollywood, I spotted a Pine Marten skipping thru the garden

I think this place saved my sanity during Covid

I'll pop up some photos up once I copy the files off the SD Card

I love foxes - we get one in our garden who just lounges about.

I gather they're not so great when you get them breeding, but so far he's been on his own.



Image quality a bit crappy as shot through a window