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Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:10 pm
by Sandstorm
C69 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:06 pm
Government policy clearly isn't working.
It's a shambles, locally the hospitals are full and capacity has been overwhelmed by demand.
New policy: close the hospitals, send everyone home. Hospitals empty again.
Hospitals are there to treat sick people. Full or not, just get on with it.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:11 pm
by Sandstorm
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Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:15 pm
by Bimbowomxn
C69 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:06 pm
Government policy clearly isn't working.
It's a shambles, locally the hospitals are full and capacity has been overwhelmed by demand.
It’s working where I live.
The NW has been the tightest locked down.
What are the medical professionals suggesting ?
Nope you’ve posted this to add to panic.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:19 pm
by Sandstorm
Woman in Cumbria tests positive, then immediately jumps in a cab to the nearest pub. Tracing app busts her and she gets a £1000 fine.
Sadly they haven’t named & shamed the stupid bint.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:17 pm
by Ted.
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:15 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:06 pm
Government policy clearly isn't working.
It's a shambles, locally the hospitals are full and capacity has been overwhelmed by demand.
I
t’s working where I live.
The NW has been the tightest locked down.
What are the medical professionals suggesting ?
Nope you’ve posted this to add to panic.
Provide a link to the per reviewed study, thanks.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm
by Jb1981
My wife’s cousin posted a photo on Facebook today titled “catching up” of her and a friend sharing a wine. She’s in an area with local restrictions (i.e. no meeting indoors with people outside your household) and works in accounts in a hospital.
If that is reflective of the attitudes of many across the North West, it is no wonder numbers are increasing.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm
by Slick
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:55 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:47 pm
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:23 pm
This morning I reached a point where to my thinking, at the current rate infection is spreading in the UK we'll reach herd immunity before a vaccine is developed. It's now about keeping things to a level the NHS can cope with.
Even if there's 50,000 infections a day, that would take over two years. And if immunity doesn't last that long, we just start again.
I’m fairly certain there’s not a human alive who knows what happens to immunity in TWO years.
Except Biffer here.
Did you miss the “if”?
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:51 pm
by Saint
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:19 pm
Woman in Cumbria tests positive, then immediately jumps in a cab to the nearest pub. Tracing app busts her and she gets a £1000 fine.
Sadly they haven’t named & shamed the stupid bint.
Christ alive. I'm just back from a trip to Venice- the complete difference in public attitude to basic safety measures is off the charts.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:56 pm
by Sandstorm
Saint wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:51 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:19 pm
Woman in Cumbria tests positive, then immediately jumps in a cab to the nearest pub. Tracing app busts her and she gets a £1000 fine.
Sadly they haven’t named & shamed the stupid bint.
Christ alive. I'm just back from a trip to Venice- the complete difference in public attitude to basic safety measures is off the charts.
Countries with high numbers are clearly populated by dickheads.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:00 pm
by Saint
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:56 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:51 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:19 pm
Woman in Cumbria tests positive, then immediately jumps in a cab to the nearest pub. Tracing app busts her and she gets a £1000 fine.
Sadly they haven’t named & shamed the stupid bint.
Christ alive. I'm just back from a trip to Venice- the complete difference in public attitude to basic safety measures is off the charts.
Countries with high numbers are clearly populated by dickheads.
So it would seem.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:12 pm
by salanya
Over 15.000 new cases, 80 deaths, and it's not even on the BBC website.
Really inconsistent coverage.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:20 pm
by Biffer
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:55 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:47 pm
Even if there's 50,000 infections a day, that would take over two years. And if immunity doesn't last that long, we just start again.
I’m fairly certain there’s not a human alive who knows what happens to immunity in TWO years.
Except Biffer here.
Did you miss the “if”?
He thinks he's being smart because I don't see his answers.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:56 pm
by Un Pilier
Jb1981 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm
My wife’s cousin posted a photo on Facebook today titled “catching up” of her and a friend sharing a wine. She’s in an area with local restrictions (i.e. no meeting indoors with people outside your household) and works in accounts in a hospital.
If that is reflective of the attitudes of many across the North West, it is no wonder numbers are increasing.
Yes but it’s somebody else’s fault. People like you are expecting other people to show a modicum of personal responsibility. That’s outrageous!
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:29 pm
by fishfoodie
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:56 pm
Jb1981 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm
My wife’s cousin posted a photo on Facebook today titled “catching up” of her and a friend sharing a wine. She’s in an area with local restrictions (i.e. no meeting indoors with people outside your household) and works in accounts in a hospital.
If that is reflective of the attitudes of many across the North West, it is no wonder numbers are increasing.
Yes but it’s somebody else’s fault. People like you are expecting other people to show a modicum of personal responsibility. That’s outrageous!
Like they say; the fish rots from the head.
There are different reasons why countries have had different results, but the leadership, both intellectual; & by example is a definately a significant factor in some of the worst outcome countries.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:01 am
by Bimbowomxn
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:56 pm
Jb1981 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm
My wife’s cousin posted a photo on Facebook today titled “catching up” of her and a friend sharing a wine. She’s in an area with local restrictions (i.e. no meeting indoors with people outside your household) and works in accounts in a hospital.
If that is reflective of the attitudes of many across the North West, it is no wonder numbers are increasing.
Yes but it’s somebody else’s fault. People like you are expecting other people to show a modicum of personal responsibility. That’s outrageous!
24% catching it after arrival in hospitals in some areas of the NW.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:07 am
by Jb1981
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:01 am
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:56 pm
Jb1981 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm
My wife’s cousin posted a photo on Facebook today titled “catching up” of her and a friend sharing a wine. She’s in an area with local restrictions (i.e. no meeting indoors with people outside your household) and works in accounts in a hospital.
If that is reflective of the attitudes of many across the North West, it is no wonder numbers are increasing.
Yes but it’s somebody else’s fault. People like you are expecting other people to show a modicum of personal responsibility. That’s outrageous!
24% catching it after arrival in hospitals in some areas of the NW.
Surely 24% of those in hospital with it believed to have caught it after admission rather than 24% of all patients in some hospitals getting it? Either way, it won’t be helped by people like my wife’s cousin not sticking to the rules and then going to work - at a hospital.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:20 am
by Sandstorm
No, people are popping into hospitals on their days out. Just to prove they won’t let this Govt tell them what to do.
When a quarter of them catch Covid, that’s because policy.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:09 am
by Bimbowomxn
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:40 am
by dkm57
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:55 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:47 pm
Even if there's 50,000 infections a day, that would take over two years. And if immunity doesn't last that long, we just start again.
I’m fairly certain there’s not a human alive who knows what happens to immunity in TWO years.
Except Biffer here.
Did you miss the “if”?
Points taken BUT given the
Limited testing, the stated infection rate is understated by a fair margin.
The actual reinfection rate seems to be very low.
The virus has been circulating in the general population from before November 2019 so there is a huge, unidentified, reservoir of the population who have already had covid.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:07 pm
by Sandstorm
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:40 am
The actual reinfection rate seems to be very low.
The virus has been circulating in the general population from before November 2019 so there is a huge, unidentified, reservoir of the population who have already had covid.
If you personally had Covid in Feb, are you happy to get medically re-infected today to prove immunity? Jump in son....
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:20 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:40 pm
by Biffer
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:40 am
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:55 pm
I’m fairly certain there’s not a human alive who knows what happens to immunity in TWO years.
Except Biffer here.
Did you miss the “if”?
Points taken BUT given the
Limited testing, the stated infection rate is understated by a fair margin.
The actual reinfection rate seems to be very low.
The virus has been circulating in the general population from before November 2019 so there is a huge, unidentified, reservoir of the population who have already had covid.
Not according to the community testing studies.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:44 pm
by dkm57
Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:40 pm
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:40 am
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm
Did you miss the “if”?
Points taken BUT given the
Limited testing, the stated infection rate is understated by a fair margin.
The actual reinfection rate seems to be very low.
The virus has been circulating in the general population from before November 2019 so there is a huge, unidentified, reservoir of the population who have already had covid.
Not according to the community testing studies.
and the communities being tested?
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:49 pm
by Biffer
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:44 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:40 pm
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:40 am
Points taken BUT given the
Limited testing, the stated infection rate is understated by a fair margin.
The actual reinfection rate seems to be very low.
The virus has been circulating in the general population from before November 2019 so there is a huge, unidentified, reservoir of the population who have already had covid.
Not according to the community testing studies.
and the communities being tested?
Knock yourself out
https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/news/newins ... statistics
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... usReleases
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:17 pm
by dkm57
All very interesting but the tests only indicate those currently infected, not those recovered and presumably with at least some level immunity. As I understand.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:25 pm
by Bimbowomxn
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:17 pm
All very interesting but the tests only indicate those currently infected, not those recovered and presumably with at least some level immunity. As I understand.
You’re correct.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:46 pm
by Zig
There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.
Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:11 pm
by dkm57
Zig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:46 pm
There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.
Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.
Yes, but at what kind of rates? as I understand it these cases are notable for their rarity which in itself implies some kind of resistance. Is it more severe or milder? Is it a new infection or a relapse?
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:12 pm
by Saint
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:17 pm
All very interesting but the tests only indicate those currently infected, not those recovered and presumably with at least some level immunity. As I understand.
The Imperial College study from August reckoned that perhaps 6% of the UK population had had COVID19
It's now October, so maybe 7% now, and at current infection rates maybe 10% by Christmas
Assuming even short term immunity, that would start to dent r at somewhere around 30%, with the best guess being that 60% is needed for herd immunity (whether through vaccine or infection)
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:23 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Well a couple of million of students will help us get there.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:25 pm
by Ovals
Zig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:46 pm
There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.
Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.
There's reasons to believe it - just no conclusive evidence yet. Otherwise they wouldn't be bothering with developing vaccines.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:41 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Zig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:46 pm
There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.
Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.
Let’s be clear it’s been recorded in a handful of people across 100’s of millions of infections.....
There’s every reason to believe it’s very very unlikely.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pm
by Biffer
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:17 pm
All very interesting but the tests only indicate those currently infected, not those recovered and presumably with at least some level immunity. As I understand.
Did you just skim that first link?
20% of participants aged 16 years and over also provide a blood sample taken by a trained nurse, phlebotomist or healthcare assistant. These tests help determine what proportion of the population has developed antibodies to COVID-19. Participants will be asked to give further samples monthly for the next 12 months.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:54 pm
by Zig
Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:25 pm
Zig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:46 pm
There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.
Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.
There's reasons to believe it - just no conclusive evidence yet. Otherwise they wouldn't be bothering with developing vaccines.
The flu is a similar virus we've lived with for much longer and yet we've no immunity to it.
It's a whack-a-mole response where each mutation requires a new vaccine.
We don't know enough about this new Coronavirus to predict anything about it really.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:12 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pm
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:17 pm
All very interesting but the tests only indicate those currently infected, not those recovered and presumably with at least some level immunity. As I understand.
Did you just skim that first link?
20% of participants aged 16 years and over also provide a blood sample taken by a trained nurse, phlebotomist or healthcare assistant. These tests help determine what proportion of the population has developed antibodies to COVID-19. Participants will be asked to give further samples monthly for the next 12 months.
Or when we actually might get a vaccine.
If not it’s down to T cell immunity like other corona virus’s
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:14 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Zig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:54 pm
Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:25 pm
Zig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:46 pm
There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.
Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.
There's reasons to believe it - just no conclusive evidence yet. Otherwise they wouldn't be bothering with developing vaccines.
The flu is a similar virus we've lived with for much longer and yet we've no immunity to it.
It's a whack-a-mole response where each mutation requires a new vaccine.
We don't know enough about this new Coronavirus to predict anything about it really.
Of course we have immunity to various flu virus’s .....
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:15 pm
by Sandstorm
Djokovic getting pumped by Nadal in French Open Final. Maybe Covid has affected his fitness.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:15 pm
by JM2K6
Zig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:54 pm
Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:25 pm
Zig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:46 pm
There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.
Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.
There's reasons to believe it - just no conclusive evidence yet. Otherwise they wouldn't be bothering with developing vaccines.
The flu is a similar virus we've lived with for much longer and yet we've no immunity to it.
It's a whack-a-mole response where each mutation requires a new vaccine.
We don't know enough about this new Coronavirus to predict anything about it really.
Where are you getting your info from? "There's no reason to believe immunity exists" "the flu is a similar virus"?
Coronavirus doesn't mutate anywhere near as fast as flu does, and the mutation is of the sort that would require a different vaccine each time. And yes, you are immune to COVID for a while after catching it. It just doesn't last a particularly long time.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:18 pm
by Bimbowomxn
It might not last....
We have absolutely no idea how long it lasts ffs.
Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:25 pm
by eldanielfire
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:44 am
1. There's no proof herd immunity is achievable,as immune repo se seems to decrease quickly. So you're experimenting on the general population at the expense of thousands of deaths and many more long covid cases
Well that’s the idea of vaccination out the window.
WOW?
No Vaccination will actually protect everyone who ahs the vaccine. The Herd immunity is due to the transismission not being able to transfer person to person if enough immune people are in the population to block the spread. The vaccination priority will be vaccine all vulnerable and elderly people and that will stop the more negative outcomes of COVID-19 occurring like higher death rates.