Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Hal Jordan]

I see mince for brains Patel got a proper kicking from Yvette Cooper during the Home Affairs Committee session.

Expect this to be added to the list of things that hold the Government to account to do away with, even as they publish their plans to fuck judicial review.

[fishfoodie]

I see mince for brains Patel got a proper kicking from Yvette Cooper during the Home Affairs Committee session.

Expect this to be added to the list of things that hold the Government to account to do away with, even as they publish their plans to fuck judicial review.

Let me guess ... they justify gutting judicial review; because the Courts system is under enormous stress, with a huge backlog of cases; for which they blame Covid ?

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But, they completely fail to acknowledge that the huge backlog of cases predated Covid; & most of it was caused by a decade of under-funding, & them reducing Court sitting hours; & the massive cuts to Legal Aid ...

[Insane_Homer]

[Hal Jordan]

I see mince for brains Patel got a proper kicking from Yvette Cooper during the Home Affairs Committee session.

Expect this to be added to the list of things that hold the Government to account to do away with, even as they publish their plans to fuck judicial review.

Let me guess ... they justify gutting judicial review; because the Courts system is under enormous stress, with a huge backlog of cases; for which they blame Covid ?

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But, they completely fail to acknowledge that the huge backlog of cases predated Covid; & most of it was caused by a decade of under-funding, & them reducing Court sitting hours; & the massive cuts to Legal Aid ...

No, they expect criminal barristers to work day and night to make up the backlog because Covid, judicial review is for the bullet because it fetters their march towards their Orban wet dreams of unaccountable power.

[Slick]

Just seen a bit of the Cummings interview- he is completely insane.

In what world is it OK for an unelected official to openly discuss removing a PM because he doesn’t agree with him (after a few days). That’s not a defence of the idiot Johnson, but fairly basic democracy

Also admitting that he has no idea if Brexit is a good idea or not.

Insane

[fishfoodie]

Just seen a bit of the Cummings interview- he is completely insane.

In what world is it OK for an unelected official to openly discuss removing a PM because he doesn’t agree with him (after a few days). That’s not a defence of the idiot Johnson, but fairly basic democracy

Also admitting that he has no idea if Brexit is a good idea or not.

Insane

Democracies are like cars; if you don't bring them to get serviced, & fix faults regularly; you can't be surprised when the brakes fail, & you slam into a tree.

The UK has spent the better part of my lifetime, ignoring the potentially fatal flaws in it's Democratic processes, & structures; & now you're belatedly realizing how fucked you are; & how the people in charge, aren't even vaguely interesting in trying to fix them.

Labour isn't even committed to PR for fucks sake !!

You took a step towards a normal state of affairs, by putting in a Supreme Court; but now you've a Government that's committed to destroying, even that basic building block of a Democracy.

[Insane_Homer]

One days suspension from Parliament for trying to influence the judge in the Elphicke sexual assault trial.
Par for the course for these entitled cunts.
Fortunately the judge ignored it and banged the sex pest up for 2 years

Several Conservative MPs will be temporarily suspended from the Commons and told to apologise after being found to have tried to influence a judge presiding over the trial of a former colleague for sexual assault.
The one-day ban from parliament was handed down by the standards committee to backbenchers Sir Roger Gale, Theresa Villiers and Natalie Elphicke – the then partner of Charlie Elphicke, who was given two years in prison after being found guilty of three counts of sexual assault.
Two other Tory MPs – Adam Holloway and Bob Stewart – were ordered to make a statement apologising for their behaviour in the chamber, with all five found to have threatened to undermine public trust in the independence of the judicial system.

If only Mrs Elphicke practiced being a better wife, instead of playing politics...

[Paddington Bear]

Just seen a bit of the Cummings interview- he is completely insane.

In what world is it OK for an unelected official to openly discuss removing a PM because he doesn’t agree with him (after a few days). That’s not a defence of the idiot Johnson, but fairly basic democracy

Also admitting that he has no idea if Brexit is a good idea or not.

Insane

Democracies are like cars; if you don't bring them to get serviced, & fix faults regularly; you can't be surprised when the brakes fail, & you slam into a tree.

The UK has spent the better part of my lifetime, ignoring the potentially fatal flaws in it's Democratic processes, & structures; & now you're belatedly realizing how fucked you are; & how the people in charge, aren't even vaguely interesting in trying to fix them.

Labour isn't even committed to PR for fucks sake !!

You took a step towards a normal state of affairs, by putting in a Supreme Court; but now you've a Government that's committed to destroying, even that basic building block of a Democracy.

What Cummings was talking about could happen in any country where the Head of Government relies on the confidence of the legislature. No constitutional tinkering or Court alters that.

[Rinkals]

One days suspension from Parliament for trying to influence the judge in the Elphicke sexual assault trial.
Par for the course for these entitled cunts.
Fortunately the judge ignored it and banged the sex pest up for 2 years

Several Conservative MPs will be temporarily suspended from the Commons and told to apologise after being found to have tried to influence a judge presiding over the trial of a former colleague for sexual assault.
The one-day ban from parliament was handed down by the standards committee to backbenchers Sir Roger Gale, Theresa Villiers and Natalie Elphicke – the then partner of Charlie Elphicke, who was given two years in prison after being found guilty of three counts of sexual assault.
Two other Tory MPs – Adam Holloway and Bob Stewart – were ordered to make a statement apologising for their behaviour in the chamber, with all five found to have threatened to undermine public trust in the independence of the judicial system.

If only Mrs Elphicke practiced being a better wife, instead of playing politics...

'It might have been something that many people might have been thinking, but probably best not to go there. It is pretty depressing that we can't have conversations among ourselves,' they said.

I'm pretty sure there's nothing stopping them from having those conversation, if they want and are prepared to accept the consequences, in this case well deserved opprobrium.

[I like neeps]

Just seen a bit of the Cummings interview- he is completely insane.

In what world is it OK for an unelected official to openly discuss removing a PM because he doesn’t agree with him (after a few days). That’s not a defence of the idiot Johnson, but fairly basic democracy

Also admitting that he has no idea if Brexit is a good idea or not.

Insane

Didn't watch the Cummings interview because he's a self serving prick and Laura Kuennsberg is embarrassing herself dancing to the beat of his drum.

However, he's right about Brexit. Remainers nor Brexiteers will never know if it is/was a good idea. As a Remainer my belief is Brexit is bad - so far it has been bad even the vaccine bounce isn't really great Europe is opening up the same rate as we are mostly. However, I could be wrong - it might actually be exactly what we need.

[Mahoney]

Just seen a bit of the Cummings interview- he is completely insane.

In what world is it OK for an unelected official to openly discuss removing a PM because he doesn’t agree with him (after a few days). That’s not a defence of the idiot Johnson, but fairly basic democracy

Also admitting that he has no idea if Brexit is a good idea or not.

Insane

Democracies are like cars; if you don't bring them to get serviced, & fix faults regularly; you can't be surprised when the brakes fail, & you slam into a tree.

The UK has spent the better part of my lifetime, ignoring the potentially fatal flaws in it's Democratic processes, & structures; & now you're belatedly realizing how fucked you are; & how the people in charge, aren't even vaguely interesting in trying to fix them.

Labour isn't even committed to PR for fucks sake !!

You took a step towards a normal state of affairs, by putting in a Supreme Court; but now you've a Government that's committed to destroying, even that basic building block of a Democracy.

What Cummings was talking about could happen in any country where the Head of Government relies on the confidence of the legislature. No constitutional tinkering or Court alters that.

Yup, there was nothing undemocratic about it - we don't have an elected PM, we have an elected legislature, and the PM holds office whilst he has the confidence of that legislature. People, unelected or otherwise, plotting ways to undermine that confidence in order to change the PM has been a staple of the UK since forever. It's what happened to May.

The insane thing is that he thought it was remotely possible when Johnson had just won an 80 seat majority.

[Slick]

Democracies are like cars; if you don't bring them to get serviced, & fix faults regularly; you can't be surprised when the brakes fail, & you slam into a tree.

The UK has spent the better part of my lifetime, ignoring the potentially fatal flaws in it's Democratic processes, & structures; & now you're belatedly realizing how fucked you are; & how the people in charge, aren't even vaguely interesting in trying to fix them.

Labour isn't even committed to PR for fucks sake !!

You took a step towards a normal state of affairs, by putting in a Supreme Court; but now you've a Government that's committed to destroying, even that basic building block of a Democracy.

What Cummings was talking about could happen in any country where the Head of Government relies on the confidence of the legislature. No constitutional tinkering or Court alters that.

Yup, there was nothing undemocratic about it - we don't have an elected PM, we have an elected legislature, and the PM holds office whilst he has the confidence of that legislature. People, unelected or otherwise, plotting ways to undermine that confidence in order to change the PM has been a staple of the UK since forever. It's what happened to May.

The insane thing is that he thought it was remotely possible when Johnson had just won an 80 seat majority.

Fair enough chaps

[Slick]

Just seen a bit of the Cummings interview- he is completely insane.

In what world is it OK for an unelected official to openly discuss removing a PM because he doesn’t agree with him (after a few days). That’s not a defence of the idiot Johnson, but fairly basic democracy

Also admitting that he has no idea if Brexit is a good idea or not.

Insane

Didn't watch the Cummings interview because he's a self serving prick and Laura Kuennsberg is embarrassing herself dancing to the beat of his drum.

However, he's right about Brexit. Remainers nor Brexiteers will never know if it is/was a good idea. As a Remainer my belief is Brexit is bad - so far it has been bad even the vaccine bounce isn't really great Europe is opening up the same rate as we are mostly. However, I could be wrong - it might actually be exactly what we need.

Oh I completely agree, I just thought it was an extraordinary admission from the man that masterminded the whole thing and fed us bullshit for years about it

[I like neeps]

Just seen a bit of the Cummings interview- he is completely insane.

In what world is it OK for an unelected official to openly discuss removing a PM because he doesn’t agree with him (after a few days). That’s not a defence of the idiot Johnson, but fairly basic democracy

Also admitting that he has no idea if Brexit is a good idea or not.

Insane

Didn't watch the Cummings interview because he's a self serving prick and Laura Kuennsberg is embarrassing herself dancing to the beat of his drum.

However, he's right about Brexit. Remainers nor Brexiteers will never know if it is/was a good idea. As a Remainer my belief is Brexit is bad - so far it has been bad even the vaccine bounce isn't really great Europe is opening up the same rate as we are mostly. However, I could be wrong - it might actually be exactly what we need.

Oh I completely agree, I just thought it was an extraordinary admission from the man that masterminded the whole thing and fed us bullshit for years about it

It fits his MO - someone who is very much part of the political elite pretending he isn't by trying to give his mates a bloody nose. He's not a ideologue in any meaningful sense. He's someone who has all the money he needs, married to a Lord's daughter, and just in it for something to do.

[tabascoboy]

Dawn Butler suspended from Commons for calling PM liar

A Labour MP was ordered to leave the House of Commons for the rest of the day after she refused to withdraw accusations Boris Johnson was a liar.

Dawn Butler told MPs that the prime minister "lied to the House and the country over and over again" about a range of pandemic-related issues.

Acting Deputy Speaker, Judith Cummins, asked her to "reflect on her words and perhaps correct the record".

The Labour MP and former shadow equalities spokeswoman said it was “funny that we get in trouble in this place for calling out the lie, rather than the person lying".

She was then ordered from the Commons on the last day of sittings before the summer recess.

[Paddington Bear]

Every MP is well aware they will be removed from the House for calling someone a liar and not withdrawing it, good publicity stunt though

[Slick]

I’m not one for jumping on every bit of government news as if it’s the end of the world, but this seems outrageous

Government rules out searching Matt Hancock's private emails https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57930820

[Line6 HXFX]

Funny how every critic of Johnson is doing it for the publicity now..
It is like the worst aspects of Tory'ism is being projected on everyone else.
"Oh the other side must be complete self serving cunts, because we are and that's how we would act".
They should all call him a liar.
How can you not call him a liar when all he does is fucking lie?
It is not a publicity stunt, his lies and stupidity are killing people and destroying the country, before our eyes.

[SaintK]

I’m not one for jumping on every bit of government news as if it’s the end of the world, but this seems outrageous

Government rules out searching Matt Hancock's private emails https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57930820

As does the Greensill "lobbying report" carried out by a former Tory election candidate and Tory appointed NED ata the Department for Business who comes to the conclusion that it was mainly all down to a dead bloke (Jeremy Heywood) who was chiefly to blame. rather than former Prime Minister Cameron who had £ millions of share options in Greensill
Handy that!

[SaintK]

Good old Daily Star

[Insane_Homer]

Our slide to fascism is almost complete.

[I like neeps]

I’m not one for jumping on every bit of government news as if it’s the end of the world, but this seems outrageous

Government rules out searching Matt Hancock's private emails https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57930820

"Ministers are not banned from using personal emails for work purposes."

This is just mental.

[tabascoboy]

So the only hope now is the Supreme Court ruling it in the public interest to investigate the private emails? The same Supreme Court the government wants to emasculate...

All official email correspondence should be bound to using official government emails for open accountability and for the purposes of scrutiny by the courts - to allow cabinet ministers to possibly circumvent this by getting away with using private emails really should be unconstitutional and at the very least result in removal from office.

We really do seem to be moving ever further towards parliament having the final say on anything uncomfortable they want to suppress - too easy when the government has a massive majority in the House.

[Biffer]

So the only hope now is the Supreme Court ruling it in the public interest to investigate the private emails? The same Supreme Court the government wants to emasculate...

All official email correspondence should be bound to using official government emails for open accountability and for the purposes of scrutiny by the courts - to allow cabinet ministers to possibly circumvent this by getting away with using private emails really should be unconstitutional and at the very least result in removal from office.

We really do seem to be moving ever further towards parliament having the final say on anything uncomfortable they want to suppress - too easy when the government has a massive majority in the House.

Also for security.

[fishfoodie]

So the only hope now is the Supreme Court ruling it in the public interest to investigate the private emails? The same Supreme Court the government wants to emasculate...

All official email correspondence should be bound to using official government emails for open accountability and for the purposes of scrutiny by the courts - to allow cabinet ministers to possibly circumvent this by getting away with using private emails really should be unconstitutional and at the very least result in removal from office.

We really do seem to be moving ever further towards parliament having the final say on anything uncomfortable they want to suppress - too easy when the government has a massive majority in the House.

Also for security.

Exactly; using gmail, is an excellent way of providing kompromat, on Politicians; & it's isn't enough to make them use official email addresses, for official mail; they also should have to provide access; if demanded; to their personal emails; for the period of their official Office. As otherwise, all that happens is that the chumocracy will revert to the personal email circuit; & will be forever hidden.

[Paddington Bear]

So the only hope now is the Supreme Court ruling it in the public interest to investigate the private emails? The same Supreme Court the government wants to emasculate...

All official email correspondence should be bound to using official government emails for open accountability and for the purposes of scrutiny by the courts - to allow cabinet ministers to possibly circumvent this by getting away with using private emails really should be unconstitutional and at the very least result in removal from office.

We really do seem to be moving ever further towards parliament having the final say on anything uncomfortable they want to suppress - too easy when the government has a massive majority in the House.

Parliament is sovereign, the core element of the British constitution. No amount of Blair watching the West Wing and deciding to create a 'Supreme Court' etc changes or can change that. Fwiw I suspect according to existing law private email channels are subject to FOI, whatever the government claim.

[JM2K6]

Every MP is well aware they will be removed from the House for calling someone a liar and not withdrawing it, good publicity stunt though

Er, talk about missing the point. The point is that that punishment is there because people are not supposed to mislead Parliament, and are expected to correct the record at the first possible opportunity. That is no longer happening. So what we have is a system that protects those who lie repeatedly and punishes those who point it out.

It is important that people like Butler do things like this. The broken system needs to be fixed, and it's not going to be fixed if people are prevented from speaking the truth.

Parliament's rules are not being applied correctly or fairly.

[tabascoboy]

So the only hope now is the Supreme Court ruling it in the public interest to investigate the private emails? The same Supreme Court the government wants to emasculate...

All official email correspondence should be bound to using official government emails for open accountability and for the purposes of scrutiny by the courts - to allow cabinet ministers to possibly circumvent this by getting away with using private emails really should be unconstitutional and at the very least result in removal from office.

We really do seem to be moving ever further towards parliament having the final say on anything uncomfortable they want to suppress - too easy when the government has a massive majority in the House.

Parliament is sovereign, the core element of the British constitution. No amount of Blair watching the West Wing and deciding to create a 'Supreme Court' etc changes or can change that. Fwiw I suspect according to existing law private email channels are subject to FOI, whatever the government claim.

Except when the PM decides to prorogue parliament that is...

[Paddington Bear]

Every MP is well aware they will be removed from the House for calling someone a liar and not withdrawing it, good publicity stunt though

Er, talk about missing the point. The point is that that punishment is there because people are not supposed to mislead Parliament, and are expected to correct the record at the first possible opportunity. That is no longer happening. So what we have is a system that protects those who lie repeatedly and punishes those who point it out.

It is important that people like Butler do things like this. The broken system needs to be fixed, and it's not going to be fixed if people are prevented from speaking the truth.

Parliament's rules are not being applied correctly or fairly.

The concern is that if you allow 'you're a liar' in Parliament then that's all you'll ever hear. I get the point though, what I'm saying is she knew damn well what she was doing. Publicity stunt, but a smart one.

[Hal Jordan]

Police Federation now has "no confidence" in the Home Secretary and the Government "cannot be trusted in taken at face value in the way (they) would expect". Grievances over pay freeze, lack of PPE and vaccine priority.

Blimey.

[JM2K6]

Every MP is well aware they will be removed from the House for calling someone a liar and not withdrawing it, good publicity stunt though

Er, talk about missing the point. The point is that that punishment is there because people are not supposed to mislead Parliament, and are expected to correct the record at the first possible opportunity. That is no longer happening. So what we have is a system that protects those who lie repeatedly and punishes those who point it out.

It is important that people like Butler do things like this. The broken system needs to be fixed, and it's not going to be fixed if people are prevented from speaking the truth.

Parliament's rules are not being applied correctly or fairly.

The concern is that if you allow 'you're a liar' in Parliament then that's all you'll ever hear. I get the point though, what I'm saying is she knew damn well what she was doing. Publicity stunt, but a smart one.

It's not a publicity stunt. It's something that has to be done if change is ever going to happen. She's not doing it to get her name in the papers.

[Slick]

I’m not one for jumping on every bit of government news as if it’s the end of the world, but this seems outrageous

Government rules out searching Matt Hancock's private emails https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57930820

"Ministers are not banned from using personal emails for work purposes."

This is just mental.

It’s so obviously fucking ridiculous

[fishfoodie]

Er, talk about missing the point. The point is that that punishment is there because people are not supposed to mislead Parliament, and are expected to correct the record at the first possible opportunity. That is no longer happening. So what we have is a system that protects those who lie repeatedly and punishes those who point it out.

It is important that people like Butler do things like this. The broken system needs to be fixed, and it's not going to be fixed if people are prevented from speaking the truth.

Parliament's rules are not being applied correctly or fairly.

The concern is that if you allow 'you're a liar' in Parliament then that's all you'll ever hear. I get the point though, what I'm saying is she knew damn well what she was doing. Publicity stunt, but a smart one.

It's not a publicity stunt. It's something that has to be done if change is ever going to happen. She's not doing it to get her name in the papers.

The first problem seems to be the pathetic response from the Speaker when the bumblecunt tells lie, after lie, after lie .... & he/she does SFA, to make him correct the record.

They were immediate in their response to someone calling the lie; but there's no response to the lie in the first place.

I wonder is there a legal remedy; where say; Butler takes a court case for being removed from Parliament; without just cause; & so doing forces those removing her, from doing her duties; to prove that she had spoken untruthfully herself; or been unreasonable in her accusation ?

Labour definitely need to ramp up the pressure; & cooperate with the other opposition parties; to make the bumblecunts lies, & untrustworthiness, a focus.

[Rinkals]

So the only hope now is the Supreme Court ruling it in the public interest to investigate the private emails? The same Supreme Court the government wants to emasculate...

All official email correspondence should be bound to using official government emails for open accountability and for the purposes of scrutiny by the courts - to allow cabinet ministers to possibly circumvent this by getting away with using private emails really should be unconstitutional and at the very least result in removal from office.

We really do seem to be moving ever further towards parliament having the final say on anything uncomfortable they want to suppress - too easy when the government has a massive majority in the House.

Parliament is sovereign, the core element of the British constitution. No amount of Blair watching the West Wing and deciding to create a 'Supreme Court' etc changes or can change that. Fwiw I suspect according to existing law private email channels are subject to FOI, whatever the government claim.

Does the UK have a constitution, though?

If it's not written, then it's probably subject to whimsy and arbitrary change.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Dawn Butler suspended from Commons for calling PM liar

A Labour MP was ordered to leave the House of Commons for the rest of the day after she refused to withdraw accusations Boris Johnson was a liar.

Dawn Butler told MPs that the prime minister "lied to the House and the country over and over again" about a range of pandemic-related issues.

Acting Deputy Speaker, Judith Cummins, asked her to "reflect on her words and perhaps correct the record".

The Labour MP and former shadow equalities spokeswoman said it was “funny that we get in trouble in this place for calling out the lie, rather than the person lying".

She was then ordered from the Commons on the last day of sittings before the summer recess.

Doing it just before recess does rather scream publicity stunt, but a politician playing politics isn't exactly a surprise, she's not wrong, and nor was Blackford recently. Almost no chance the other parties don't consider they'll be able to pile pressure on the PM and the Speaker over this.

I would say Boris is hardly the only PM to fail to answer questions properly, and I'd like them all being told they either need to do so or resign but it seems vanishingly unlikely anyone will actually be fined and/or jailed. And oddly any such acts may in the case of Boris only raise his popularity with people happy to vote for his lack of talent and ethics

[JM2K6]

Dawn Butler suspended from Commons for calling PM liar

A Labour MP was ordered to leave the House of Commons for the rest of the day after she refused to withdraw accusations Boris Johnson was a liar.

Dawn Butler told MPs that the prime minister "lied to the House and the country over and over again" about a range of pandemic-related issues.

Acting Deputy Speaker, Judith Cummins, asked her to "reflect on her words and perhaps correct the record".

The Labour MP and former shadow equalities spokeswoman said it was “funny that we get in trouble in this place for calling out the lie, rather than the person lying".

She was then ordered from the Commons on the last day of sittings before the summer recess.

Doing it just before recess does rather scream publicity stunt, but a politician playing politics isn't exactly a surprise, she's not wrong, and nor was Blackford recently. Almost no chance the other parties don't consider they'll be able to pile pressure on the PM and the Speaker over this.

I would say Boris is hardly the only PM to fail to answer questions properly, and I'd like them all being told they either need to do so or resign but it seems vanishingly unlikely anyone will actually be fined and/or jailed. And oddly any such acts may in the case of Boris only raise his popularity with people happy to vote for his lack of talent and ethics

"Playing politics" is another useless expression, to be honest. Jess Phillips wrote a decent piece on that: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/ ... oliticians

As for "hardly the only PM to fail to answer question properly" - come the fuck on. The problem isn't that he waffles or prevaricates or fails to answer questions fully. The problem is he flat-out lies, repeatedy, and then refuses to correct the record. There's a world of difference between being evasive and being an inveterate liar.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

That they're evasive is a problem, that he lies is a different and further problem. But if you set the standard such they have to answer questions asked not that they'd like to have been asked maybe you don't escalate to still worse standards of behaviour.

I don't happen to agree with Jess either, playing politics is a perfectly acceptable expression for me, and it's quicker than saying writing a full definition. I mean maybe if you took it out and that removed all negative/pejorative commentary that would be one thing. But it's not always an overly negative thing to say, often it's said by the losing side in a debate and they simply look weird/sad, and it'd only be replaced by something else derogatory anyway

[JM2K6]

That they're evasive is a problem, that he lies is a different and further problem. But if you set the standard such they have to answer questions asked not that they'd like to have been asked maybe you don't escalate to still worse standards of behaviour.

That makes no sense whatsoever, I'm sorry. Can you rewrite that so an idiot like me can understand what you're trying to say?

Plus, the fact he lies isn't a different problem, it's the actual problem everyone is talking about. Being evasive is something you're talking about on your own here.

I don't happen to agree with Jess either, playing politics is a perfectly acceptable expression for me, and it's quicker than saying writing a full definition. I mean maybe if you took it out and that removed all negative/pejorative commentary that would be one thing. But it's not always an overly negative thing to say, often it's said by the losing side in a debate and they simply look weird/sad, and it'd only be replaced by something else derogatory anyway

Politicians don't play politics, it's their job. Butler attempting to show up the PM's dishonesty and utter disregard of the rules, plus Parliament's failure to hold him to account, is not "playing politics" any more than literally any other attempt to hold people to account.

[tabascoboy]

[SaintK]

Quite! I forgot that he worships at her altar