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Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:04 am The "disaster" that was the GRA brought Scotland into line with countries line Ireland FFS, it made changing your birth certificate easier.

I've been waiting for the pearl-clutchers on the Gender thread to mention the lassie who was murdered at the weekend.

Not a fucking peep.

You know something, the more I think about this post the more shocking it becomes. Trying to score internet points on the back of a murdered child. It's fucking miles below anything posted on the gender thread. You need to get a bit of a grip and give yourself a solid fucking uppercut.

Not to answer on Tichtheid's behalf but no, it's not even close to some of the shit spouted on that horror show of a thread.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:15 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:04 am The "disaster" that was the GRA brought Scotland into line with countries line Ireland FFS, it made changing your birth certificate easier.

I've been waiting for the pearl-clutchers on the Gender thread to mention the lassie who was murdered at the weekend.

Not a fucking peep.

You know something, the more I think about this post the more shocking it becomes. Trying to score internet points on the back of a murdered child. It's fucking miles below anything posted on the gender thread. You need to get a bit of a grip and give yourself a solid fucking uppercut.

Not to answer on Tichtheid's behalf but no, it's not even close to some of the shit spouted on that horror show of a thread.

I would agree with that.

Any mentioning of the GR bill by me was about the bill as it is rather than the basic right of respect and easing the process of changing gender officially. Trans people absolutely deserve respect and the ability to change gender officially in a much quicker way.

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:42 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:10 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:50 am

Only because there are a significant percent of the population that would vote for the regardless because independence is their only concern. Try coming up with one single policy over that last few years that has actually benefited the majority in this country.

Have to agree but that's why the next leader is in an impossible situation. What Scotland needs I think is what rUK needs and a map for economic growth and improved social care. And that's what the leadership election should focus on. But people don't vote for the SNP on that basis. So what the leadership election will be is all about how to reach independence which Westminster and the Supreme has blocked off.

We're not going to get any worthwhile map for economic growth and social care from Westminster though. If you really think that's going to happen in the UK without substantial constitutional change then you're living in cuckoo land. And substantial constitutional change isn't going to come from Westminster.

Has not the evidence of the last few years being that constitutional bollocks gets in the way of economic grow? I mean look at Brexit or in a smaller example the insistence of a separate Scottish DRS

I think most people agree we (across the UK) need solid pro growth strategies - lots of these relate to planning reform, tax, education and immigration (and telling boomers to stop being so greedy). I cant think of a single one that is related to the constitution or erecting new borders between people and markets within this Island.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:14 pm

robmatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:42 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:47 am

Hand on heart, do you really think that the issue is that black and white simplistic?

Basically, yes. I'm happy with people presenting as however they like, but think we need to accept trans people as trans people.

What about the non-binary and intersex people who are not trans?

I'm also happy with them presenting however they like.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:24 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:04 am The "disaster" that was the GRA brought Scotland into line with countries line Ireland FFS, it made changing your birth certificate easier.

I've been waiting for the pearl-clutchers on the Gender thread to mention the lassie who was murdered at the weekend.

Not a fucking peep.

You know something, the more I think about this post the more shocking it becomes. Trying to score internet points on the back of a murdered child. It's fucking miles below anything posted on the gender thread. You need to get a bit of a grip and give yourself a solid fucking uppercut.

I am the parent of a trans child, not much older than the girl who was murdered. This is not an abstract thought or internet points. The danger my child is in solely because of who they are is very real.

And as such you have every right to have passionate views, but your use of this example on this thread is extreme and completely unnecessary. You're clearly trying to present an example of the difficulties experienced by the trans community but I'm bloody sure no one on this thread deserved that particular barb thrown at them and probably very few on the relevant thread.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:15 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:04 am The "disaster" that was the GRA brought Scotland into line with countries line Ireland FFS, it made changing your birth certificate easier.

I've been waiting for the pearl-clutchers on the Gender thread to mention the lassie who was murdered at the weekend.

Not a fucking peep.

You know something, the more I think about this post the more shocking it becomes. Trying to score internet points on the back of a murdered child. It's fucking miles below anything posted on the gender thread. You need to get a bit of a grip and give yourself a solid fucking uppercut.

Not to answer on Tichtheid's behalf but no, it's not even close to some of the shit spouted on that horror show of a thread.

Absolutely.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:36 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:24 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am

You know something, the more I think about this post the more shocking it becomes. Trying to score internet points on the back of a murdered child. It's fucking miles below anything posted on the gender thread. You need to get a bit of a grip and give yourself a solid fucking uppercut.

I am the parent of a trans child, not much older than the girl who was murdered. This is not an abstract thought or internet points. The danger my child is in solely because of who they are is very real.

And as such you have every right to have passionate views, but your use of this example on this thread is extreme and completely unnecessary. You're clearly trying to present an example of the difficulties experienced by the trans community but I'm bloody sure no one on this thread deserved that particular barb thrown at them and probably very few on the relevant thread.

Painting the bill as a disaster as opposed to condemning the manufactured outcry against it is part of the enabling of the hatred against that community.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:36 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:24 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am

You know something, the more I think about this post the more shocking it becomes. Trying to score internet points on the back of a murdered child. It's fucking miles below anything posted on the gender thread. You need to get a bit of a grip and give yourself a solid fucking uppercut.

I am the parent of a trans child, not much older than the girl who was murdered. This is not an abstract thought or internet points. The danger my child is in solely because of who they are is very real.

And as such you have every right to have passionate views, but your use of this example on this thread is extreme and completely unnecessary. You're clearly trying to present an example of the difficulties experienced by the trans community but I'm bloody sure no one on this thread deserved that particular barb thrown at them and probably very few on the relevant thread.

That doesn’t follow at all.

I know passions are running high but find it fascinating this is the subject for discussion on the most pivotal day in Scottish politics since 2014 .

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:11 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:04 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:56 pm Beginning of the end for Sturgeon?

Fair play, hope you stuck a tenner on that

This is not aimed at Slick, but people have been saying that for years, the time of day will always reach the stopped clock eventually.

No doubt there will be champagne celebrations for some, but if it's true it's a fucking tragedy for Scotland and the UK, not many can shine a torch on Westminster like Sturgeon can.

Well, no, I said it very specifically in reference to the huge number of issues mounting up for her.

But anyway, I like Sturgeon as a person and believe she is a very decent human. She is also a very good politician who in different times would have made a decent PM.

The problem is, it is different times and we have to judge her on what she has done, which is make Scotland a worse place to live in her time in charge. By any measure she has been a failure, NHS, Education, transport, economy, energy, and, on her one policy, independence, she hasn’t moved the dial perceptively despite having a series of the most open of open goals.

And she had a choice. She could have gone after independence, as we would all accept of course, whilst still working to make Scotland a better place for all Scots but she choose not to. I think history will judge her leadership very harshly.

The resignation speech was just bizarre. The way she was having to let her cult down gently was genuinely something you would only see a leader of a dictatorship do, it was horrible to listen to and not fucking normal. It was also galling to listen to her asking for more understanding and better debate when she leaves a country far more divided than when she arrived. Frankly, fuck her for that.

I genuinely hope she gets to live her life in peace and enjoy the time with her obviously loving friends and family, and to enjoy the things that make her happy. I do think it is a good day for Scotland though.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:40 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:36 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:24 pm





I am the parent of a trans child, not much older than the girl who was murdered. This is not an abstract thought or internet points. The danger my child is in solely because of who they are is very real.

And as such you have every right to have passionate views, but your use of this example on this thread is extreme and completely unnecessary. You're clearly trying to present an example of the difficulties experienced by the trans community but I'm bloody sure no one on this thread deserved that particular barb thrown at them and probably very few on the relevant thread.

Painting the bill as a disaster as opposed to condemning the manufactured outcry against it is part of the enabling of the hatred against that community.

You misunderstood. I meant a personal political disaster for her, which I thought would be obvious by my use of the comment about her choosing a bad hill to die on. I think anyone suggesting she has not suffered huge reputational damage from it would be wrong. As I have said repeatedly I personally have no particular problem with the legislation other than I think there are more pressing matters for the parliament to be concentrating on

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:41 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:36 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:24 pm





I am the parent of a trans child, not much older than the girl who was murdered. This is not an abstract thought or internet points. The danger my child is in solely because of who they are is very real.

And as such you have every right to have passionate views, but your use of this example on this thread is extreme and completely unnecessary. You're clearly trying to present an example of the difficulties experienced by the trans community but I'm bloody sure no one on this thread deserved that particular barb thrown at them and probably very few on the relevant thread.

That doesn’t follow at all.

What doesn't follow. During a conversation about the resignation of the FM, someone chose to throw in the murder of a child in order to make a point which really had no relevance at all and was completely inappropriate. It was an extreme attempt to score a point and totally unnecessary.

I hope she remembers she has resigned.

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:44 pm I know passions are running high but find it fascinating this is the subject for discussion on the most pivotal day in Scottish politics since 2014 .

I would have thought the main reason is that she's painted herself into a corner with the independence strategy.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:06 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:41 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:36 pm

And as such you have every right to have passionate views, but your use of this example on this thread is extreme and completely unnecessary. You're clearly trying to present an example of the difficulties experienced by the trans community but I'm bloody sure no one on this thread deserved that particular barb thrown at them and probably very few on the relevant thread.

That doesn’t follow at all.

What doesn't follow. During a conversation about the resignation of the FM, someone chose to throw in the murder of a child in order to make a point which really had no relevance at all and was completely inappropriate. It was an extreme attempt to score a point and totally unnecessary.

It was relevant because you brought up the bill in the first place. The bill was about trans issues.

It was relevant because despite a prisoner changing gender being brought up immediately, the incident from the weekend had not been mentioned.

It was relevant because they outcry to the bill was completely disproportionate and in fact didn't address and/or ignored what the bill contained. That outcry turned into seemingly the perfect storm for the FM, or the last straw as you yourself described it.

When you have to advise your child on how to stay safe beyond what you would do for one who falls into the majority population scoring points on the internet isn't any kind of motivation.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:35 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:06 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:41 pm

That doesn’t follow at all.

What doesn't follow. During a conversation about the resignation of the FM, someone chose to throw in the murder of a child in order to make a point which really had no relevance at all and was completely inappropriate. It was an extreme attempt to score a point and totally unnecessary.

It was relevant because you brought up the bill in the first place. The bill was about trans issues.

It was relevant because despite a prisoner changing gender being brought up immediately, the incident from the weekend had not been mentioned.

It was relevant because they outcry to the bill was completely disproportionate and in fact didn't address and/or ignored what the bill contained. That outcry turned into seemingly the perfect storm for the FM, or the last straw as you yourself described it.

When you have to advise your child on how to stay safe beyond what you would do for one who falls into the majority population scoring points on the internet isn't any kind of motivation.

Yes all points that I generally agree and in the case of your child have huge sympathy with, but I really can't understand why that incident would be mentioned in response to me saying the bill was a disaster for Sturgeon, and it was completely disproportionate. Equally the people you appear to have aimed that at could point out the incident with the transsexual child abductor and frustrated murderer in Galashiels, but I'm not aware of anyone doing that because certainly on this thread the conversation has been about the merits of the legislation not wether transsexuals are good/bad people.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:35 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:06 pm

What doesn't follow. During a conversation about the resignation of the FM, someone chose to throw in the murder of a child in order to make a point which really had no relevance at all and was completely inappropriate. It was an extreme attempt to score a point and totally unnecessary.

It was relevant because you brought up the bill in the first place. The bill was about trans issues.

It was relevant because despite a prisoner changing gender being brought up immediately, the incident from the weekend had not been mentioned.

It was relevant because they outcry to the bill was completely disproportionate and in fact didn't address and/or ignored what the bill contained. That outcry turned into seemingly the perfect storm for the FM, or the last straw as you yourself described it.

When you have to advise your child on how to stay safe beyond what you would do for one who falls into the majority population scoring points on the internet isn't any kind of motivation.

Yes all points that I generally agree and in the case of your child have huge sympathy with, but I really can't understand why that incident would be mentioned in response to me saying the bill was a disaster for Sturgeon, and it was completely disproportionate. Equally the people you appear to have aimed that at could point out the incident with the transsexual child abductor and frustrated murderer in Galashiels, but I'm not aware of anyone doing that because certainly on this thread the conversation has been about the merits of the legislation not wether transsexuals are good/bad people.

the things you're highlighting as problems, while not acknowledging benefits, are exactly the wider problem. you're being played by the media portrayal of things.it really isn't what you're being told it is.

serious Q. have you actually checked for yourself want it doesn't;t and does change?

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:50 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:42 am Bring on an election, I say

The SNP leadership election is going to be entertaining.

I think it will probably end up as Angus Robertson, but there is a fair amount of danger for them if it is.

Kate Forbes is easily the most impressive but she is just coming back from maternity leave and I just can’t see her wanting the overwhelming commitment needed to be the FM. And her faith will be a big issue

Swinney is a nice guy, but miles from being a leader. Kind of hope it is him.

The rest are devoid of much intelligence and little talent

What about Stephen Flynn? Seems to be holding up well as Westminster leader. Obviously he couldn't be FM just now but wouldn't he be in the mix as potential SNP leader?

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:16 pm What about Stephen Flynn? Seems to be holding up well as Westminster leader. Obviously he couldn't be FM just now but wouldn't he be in the mix as potential SNP leader?

Doubtful. The next Scottish government election is a long way off. Unless they call a snap election to get him in.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:13 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:50 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:42 am Bring on an election, I say

The SNP leadership election is going to be entertaining.

I think it will probably end up as Angus Robertson, but there is a fair amount of danger for them if it is.

Kate Forbes is easily the most impressive but she is just coming back from maternity leave and I just can’t see her wanting the overwhelming commitment needed to be the FM. And her faith will be a big issue

Swinney is a nice guy, but miles from being a leader. Kind of hope it is him.

The rest are devoid of much intelligence and little talent

Sturgeon has failed to bring through and give exposure to likely successors. Like you say Forbes is seemingly the most impressive.

Swinney failed as leader before and I've seen nothing to say he'd be any better now.

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:33 pm

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:16 pm What about Stephen Flynn? Seems to be holding up well as Westminster leader. Obviously he couldn't be FM just now but wouldn't he be in the mix as potential SNP leader?

Doubtful. The next Scottish government election is a long way off. Unless they call a snap election to get him in.

If it wasn’t for this I could see him in the chair - although there is a lot of anger directed at him from inside the SNP from the Westminster “coup”

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:15 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:04 am The "disaster" that was the GRA brought Scotland into line with countries line Ireland FFS, it made changing your birth certificate easier.

I've been waiting for the pearl-clutchers on the Gender thread to mention the lassie who was murdered at the weekend.

Not a fucking peep.

You know something, the more I think about this post the more shocking it becomes. Trying to score internet points on the back of a murdered child. It's fucking miles below anything posted on the gender thread. You need to get a bit of a grip and give yourself a solid fucking uppercut.

Not to answer on Tichtheid's behalf but no, it's not even close to some of the shit spouted on that horror show of a thread.

Opinions that disagree with yours are not necessarily shit, and the thread was actually very reasoned considering the usual way this topic is debated.

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:46 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:35 pm



It was relevant because you brought up the bill in the first place. The bill was about trans issues.

It was relevant because despite a prisoner changing gender being brought up immediately, the incident from the weekend had not been mentioned.

It was relevant because they outcry to the bill was completely disproportionate and in fact didn't address and/or ignored what the bill contained. That outcry turned into seemingly the perfect storm for the FM, or the last straw as you yourself described it.

When you have to advise your child on how to stay safe beyond what you would do for one who falls into the majority population scoring points on the internet isn't any kind of motivation.

Yes all points that I generally agree and in the case of your child have huge sympathy with, but I really can't understand why that incident would be mentioned in response to me saying the bill was a disaster for Sturgeon, and it was completely disproportionate. Equally the people you appear to have aimed that at could point out the incident with the transsexual child abductor and frustrated murderer in Galashiels, but I'm not aware of anyone doing that because certainly on this thread the conversation has been about the merits of the legislation not wether transsexuals are good/bad people.

the things you're highlighting as problems, while not acknowledging benefits, are exactly the wider problem. you're being played by the media portrayal of things.it really isn't what you're being told it is.

serious Q. have you actually checked for yourself want it doesn't;t and does change?

FFS mate, try reading what I have said. Despite stating a number of times on this thread and the gender thread that I have no issue with the bill you completely fail to comprehend that. I merely pointed out that the fall out from the bill has been personally damaging to Sturgeon and he responded in a completely over the top manner.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:53 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:46 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:05 pm

Yes all points that I generally agree and in the case of your child have huge sympathy with, but I really can't understand why that incident would be mentioned in response to me saying the bill was a disaster for Sturgeon, and it was completely disproportionate. Equally the people you appear to have aimed that at could point out the incident with the transsexual child abductor and frustrated murderer in Galashiels, but I'm not aware of anyone doing that because certainly on this thread the conversation has been about the merits of the legislation not wether transsexuals are good/bad people.

the things you're highlighting as problems, while not acknowledging benefits, are exactly the wider problem. you're being played by the media portrayal of things.it really isn't what you're being told it is.

serious Q. have you actually checked for yourself want it doesn't;t and does change?

FFS mate, try reading what I have said. Despite stating a number of times on this thread and the gender thread that I have no issue with the bill you completely fail to comprehend that. I merely pointed out that the fall out from the bill has been personally damaging to Sturgeon and he responded in a completely over the top manner.

that's such a lie. that's not what you've done. at all.

I've read what you've said. you're offensive af.

and violent too. I'm glad I'm not in your family and have nothing to do with you personally.

to be blunt. you're very clearly a total cunt. and this thread alone shows just how prejudiced you are.

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:31 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:53 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:46 pm

the things you're highlighting as problems, while not acknowledging benefits, are exactly the wider problem. you're being played by the media portrayal of things.it really isn't what you're being told it is.

serious Q. have you actually checked for yourself want it doesn't;t and does change?

FFS mate, try reading what I have said. Despite stating a number of times on this thread and the gender thread that I have no issue with the bill you completely fail to comprehend that. I merely pointed out that the fall out from the bill has been personally damaging to Sturgeon and he responded in a completely over the top manner.

that's such a lie. that's not what you've done. at all.

I've read what you've said. you're offensive af.

and violent too. I'm glad I'm not in your family and have nothing to do with you personally.

to be blunt. you're very clearly a total cunt. and this thread alone shows just how prejudiced you are.

What the actual fuck. Are you a lunatic. That's an outrageous comment and completely out of order. There has been a debate but it has been completely above board and nothing I have said has given you any cause to say or think any of the above, you hysterical piece of shit.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:42 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:31 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:53 pm

FFS mate, try reading what I have said. Despite stating a number of times on this thread and the gender thread that I have no issue with the bill you completely fail to comprehend that. I merely pointed out that the fall out from the bill has been personally damaging to Sturgeon and he responded in a completely over the top manner.

that's such a lie. that's not what you've done. at all.

I've read what you've said. you're offensive af.

and violent too. I'm glad I'm not in your family and have nothing to do with you personally.

to be blunt. you're very clearly a total cunt. and this thread alone shows just how prejudiced you are.

What the actual fuck. Are you a lunatic. That's an outrageous comment and completely out of order. There has been a debate but it has been completely above board and nothing I have said has given you any cause to say or think any of the above, you hysterical piece of shit.

you called someone out for pointing out the importance of normalising trans peopl. You accused them of trying to score internet points for leveraging a young woman's murder.and said they should give themselves an upper cut for saying it.

you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. and apologise.

you are an embarrassment to Scottish rugby.

you got a club affiliation? I'd like to steer players away from it, tbh.

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:00 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:42 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:31 pm

that's such a lie. that's not what you've done. at all.

I've read what you've said. you're offensive af.

and violent too. I'm glad I'm not in your family and have nothing to do with you personally.

to be blunt. you're very clearly a total cunt. and this thread alone shows just how prejudiced you are.

What the actual fuck. Are you a lunatic. That's an outrageous comment and completely out of order. There has been a debate but it has been completely above board and nothing I have said has given you any cause to say or think any of the above, you hysterical piece of shit.

you called someone out for pointing out the importance of normalising trans peopl. You accused them of trying to score internet points for leveraging a young woman's murder.and said they should give themselves an upper cut for saying it.

you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. and apologise.

you are an embarrassment to Scottish rugby.

you got a club affiliation? I'd like to steer players away from it, tbh.

You are a hysterical drama queen and you're the one that's been abusive. My pint is valid and the debate has been completely reasoned until you stepped in with this utter bullshit, I'm probably one of the least offensive and least controversial posters on here and you would need to be a retard to think that anyone took the "give yourself and uppercut" to be anything serious.

Simian step away from this please right now, this is a friendly warning, i wont have personal attacks on anyone here, inferring someone is violent towards their family is way over the line.

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:15 pm Simian step away from this please right now, this is a friendly warning, i wont have personal attacks on anyone here, inferring someone is violent towards their family is way over the line.

K. he was the one who said punch yourself to someone (I didn't) and was calling out someone (not me) for making a very fair point. pick a side (you clearly have)

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:07 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:00 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:42 pm

What the actual fuck. Are you a lunatic. That's an outrageous comment and completely out of order. There has been a debate but it has been completely above board and nothing I have said has given you any cause to say or think any of the above, you hysterical piece of shit.

you called someone out for pointing out the importance of normalising trans peopl. You accused them of trying to score internet points for leveraging a young woman's murder.and said they should give themselves an upper cut for saying it.

you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. and apologise.

you are an embarrassment to Scottish rugby.

you got a club affiliation? I'd like to steer players away from it, tbh.

You are a hysterical drama queen and you're the one that's been abusive. My pint is valid and the debate has been completely reasoned until you stepped in with this utter bullshit, I'm probably one of the least offensive and least controversial posters on here and you would need to be a retard to think that anyone took the "give yourself and uppercut" to be anything serious.

I mean, you just used the term "retard". says how far apart we are on pretty much anything.

I will defend forever your right to have a valid pint tho

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:26 pm

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:15 pm Simian step away from this please right now, this is a friendly warning, i wont have personal attacks on anyone here, inferring someone is violent towards their family is way over the line.

K. he was the one who said punch yourself to someone (I didn't) and was calling out someone (not me) for making a very fair point. pick a side (you clearly have)

He told them to give themselves a quick uppercut which is a very common parlance when someone thinks somebody has said or done something ridiculous, that is hardly inciting violence.

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:15 pm Simian step away from this please right now, this is a friendly warning, i wont have personal attacks on anyone here, inferring someone is violent towards their family is way over the line.

I'm sorry ASMO, starting the separate thread was probably stupid but this clown has stepped way over the mark and had taken a completely hysterical over the top take on what has been a reasoned debate. Feel free to delete the other thread

Thread has gone, can i suggest both leave this one well alone, it got personal, time to step back.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:07 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:00 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:42 pm

What the actual fuck. Are you a lunatic. That's an outrageous comment and completely out of order. There has been a debate but it has been completely above board and nothing I have said has given you any cause to say or think any of the above, you hysterical piece of shit.

you called someone out for pointing out the importance of normalising trans peopl. You accused them of trying to score internet points for leveraging a young woman's murder.and said they should give themselves an upper cut for saying it.

you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. and apologise.

you are an embarrassment to Scottish rugby.

you got a club affiliation? I'd like to steer players away from it, tbh.

You are a hysterical drama queen and you're the one that's been abusive. My pint is valid and the debate has been completely reasoned until you stepped in with this utter bullshit, I'm probably one of the least offensive and least controversial posters on here and you would need to be a retard to think that anyone took the "give yourself and uppercut" to be anything serious.

He’s a loon mate. I tried to have a conversation with him once and he went quickly to calling me a racist. Pops on every now and then and acts the cunt

Can I ask why what I said was innaproaute but his comments to tichtheid were apparently fine? I thought they were incredibly offensive.

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:38 pm Thread has gone, can i suggest both leave this one well alone, it got personal, time to step back.

There is personal and there is personal though. I don't think, even on PR, that they would have condoned that sort of unjustified attack. Nothing I have said on this thread or the gender thread, or in my posting history suggests that I am violent, abusive or prejudiced in any way. The lad has no place here if that's how he is going to act.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:41 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:07 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:00 pm

you called someone out for pointing out the importance of normalising trans peopl. You accused them of trying to score internet points for leveraging a young woman's murder.and said they should give themselves an upper cut for saying it.

you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. and apologise.

you are an embarrassment to Scottish rugby.

you got a club affiliation? I'd like to steer players away from it, tbh.

You are a hysterical drama queen and you're the one that's been abusive. My pint is valid and the debate has been completely reasoned until you stepped in with this utter bullshit, I'm probably one of the least offensive and least controversial posters on here and you would need to be a retard to think that anyone took the "give yourself and uppercut" to be anything serious.

He’s a loon mate. I tried to have a conversation with him once and he went quickly to calling me a racist. Pops on every now and then and acts the cunt

I didn’t. But whatever.

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:42 pm Can I ask why what I said was innaproaute but his comments to tichtheid were apparently fine? I thought they were incredibly offensive.

Tightheid is a long standing member here, if he was offended he would have said something or reported it, he didn't, and to be honest it doesnt need anyone else to be offended on his behalf.