Springbokke next 4 years to 2027

[Bloutoria]

So based on Ireland v Tonga... do we have a chance? Disparity too big for me to judge. And Tonga game plan not really that consistent.

[OomStruisbaai]

So based on Ireland v Tonga... do we have a chance? Disparity too big for me to judge. And Tonga game plan not really that consistent.

The most scary part of this game is there is a possible repeat of it going forward.

[_Os_]

My first two calls are happening then. Pollard on his way. Fourie the bench hooker.

Weren't that big calls really. Etzebeth also going to be ready for Ireland. Marx/Lood/Am are still missing, Am and Lood are apparently close, Marx obviously out totally.

For my third and most crazy call. Watch to see where Reinach ends the match, if he's replaced by Hendrikse or if he finishes the match at wing, and how much time Faf gets at flyhalf. If Reinach finishes the match on the wing, then RassNaber is definitely thinking about Reinach on the bench not replacing Faf and instead coming on at wing, finishing matches with dual scrumhalves.

[Sandstorm]

Reinach looked very sharp against admittedly weak opponents.

Jayden was garbage.

[_Os_]

For my third and most crazy call. Watch to see where Reinach ends the match, if he's replaced by Hendrikse or if he finishes the match at wing, and how much time Faf gets at flyhalf. If Reinach finishes the match on the wing, then RassNaber is definitely thinking about Reinach on the bench not replacing Faf and instead coming on at wing, finishing matches with dual scrumhalves.

The scrumhalf review.

Hendrikse - Large and slow, and slowest pass. Not a great performance when this side is about speed. Took a head shot going for a try which the ref didn't care about. But 4th best now for me. Also can only play 9 in a team where utility is favoured.

Williams - In the first half made a poor attempt to contest a bomb which was penalised. and failed to make a blindside read off Reinach fast enough which ended a try scoring chance. In the second half poor positioning on the wing prevented him getting the ball on a move that went through the hands to his touchline, basic wing skill failure. If he comes on at wing in a big match, he makes a small error and doesn't convert a chance imo.

Faf - It was a weak team (Romania are the weakest team in the comp, next weakest is Chile), but that was a crazy performance from Faf. Hasn't played 10 since school, slotted in fine, looked totally smooth. Very noticeable when he started passing at 10 Mapimpi started scoring. can easily play in the line on Bok attacking ball.

Reinach - Second best scrumhalf after Faf for me now, didn't get moved to wing at the end of the match like I was hoping. But did pop up in the line a few times and did well.


Was really interesting that at the end of the match Hendrikse/Williams/Faf all slotted in at 9 to distribute from rucks if they were closest. Which did speed things up and gain a small advantage in those phases, it looks like dual scrumhalves could work and be useful. The Boks aren't going into a match without a scrumhalf on the bench, so the goal has to be getting Reinach some wing game time, if he does well there an extra option is added of ending matches with dual scrumhalves.

[_Os_]

Reinach looked very sharp against admittedly weak opponents.

Jayden was garbage.

+1

[average joe]

And van Staden did well at hooker. Might be a better option than Fourie. Heavier bigger frame and more powerful than Fourie. His darts was smoother than Bongi's.

[LoveOfTheGame]

And van Staden did well at hooker. Might be a better option than Fourie. Heavier bigger frame and more powerful than Fourie. His darts was smoother than Bongi's.

That is an astonishingly ridiculous statement. It's one thing throwing the ball in against a poor lineout in a game with little or no pressure, but it's an entirely different kettle of fish when you are up against a world class lineout in a must win game. This is compounded by the fact that our game is centered around set piece dominance. Fourie has many years playing hooker, but having just two specialist hookers for the rest of the tournament is one hell of a load should we go into the knockout stages. I am very worried this whole little gamble might backfire in our faces.

[average joe]

How does the weaker opposition then explain Bongi's shit lineout throws?

[Sandstorm]

How does the weaker opposition then explain Bongi's shit lineout throws?

Bongi throws kak against Boland too.

[average joe]

Exactly, van Staden did very well considering it's not his regular position. His accuracy at lineout was something even Marx and Bongi struggles with.

[LoveOfTheGame]

How does the weaker opposition then explain Bongi's shit lineout throws?

You have recency bias against Bongi, you seem to forget that Marx also has his issues with lineout throwing. Law of averages, the more you do it (and we do it quite a lot), the more you will get the odd one wrong. Unless your name is Joseph, then it's flipped. The more you do it, the more you get the odd one right.

I am one of the few on here who seem to think that van Staden is a bang average player, who from time to time goes missing in games. But yes ok, let's make him a backup flanker/hooker against world class opposition. Don't really need him until the day comes when we do right?

[average joe]

How does the weaker opposition then explain Bongi's shit lineout throws?

You have recency bias against Bongi, you seem to forget that Marx also has his issues with lineout throwing. Law of averages, the more you do it (and we do it quite a lot), the more you will get the odd one wrong. Unless your name is Joseph, then it's flipped. The more you do it, the more you get the odd one right.

I am one of the few on here who seem to think that van Staden is a bang average player, who from time to time goes missing in games. But yes ok, let's make him a backup flanker/hooker against world class opposition. Don't really need him until the day comes when we do right?

Marx didn't play this game and won't play another game for some time. But yes, he struggles with his lineouts also as I've mentioned in my post above.

[OomStruisbaai]

Fourie will be the perfect backup. It took him one minute to poach, and 5 to score. His darts were good aswell..

[average joe]

It's a moot point anyways, because you're upset that I said van Staden might be a better option than Fourie and that's all that this is about. All I was saying is that he did not embarrass himself and that he did well even if it was only against Romania.

You state that we only have two specialized hookers and that it's a risk. At risk of upsetting you even more (I hope) I'll say we have one specialized hooker left, Bongi. Fourie is as much a specialized hooker as Faf is a specialized 10.

[Sards]

It's a moot point anyways, because you're upset that I said van Staden might be a better option than Fourie and that's all that this is about. All I was saying is that he did not embarrass himself and that he did well even if it was only against Romania.

You state that we only have two specialized hookers and that it's a risk. At risk of upsetting you even more (I hope) I'll say we have one specialized hooker left, Bongi. Fourie is as much a specialized hooker as Faf is a specialized 10.

Oh my vok...we played against Romania...got the bonus point in minutes........nothing at all to take out of this match. I could have put my granny at 10 or 12 or 15 and we would have won the match

[LoveOfTheGame]

It's a moot point anyways, because you're upset that I said van Staden might be a better option than Fourie and that's all that this is about. All I was saying is that he did not embarrass himself and that he did well even if it was only against Romania.

You state that we only have two specialized hookers and that it's a risk. At risk of upsetting you even more (I hope) I'll say we have one specialized hooker left, Bongi. Fourie is as much a specialized hooker as Faf is a specialized 10.

Again your recency bias is showing. Deon Fourie played many, many a year as hooker. He played hooker in France just before he came back to SA. I'm comfortable with him being the second hooker, he's no Marx, but knows what he is doing. My issue is that it's just the two of them, that is a lot of rugby to be played with just two players. Van Staden is an emergency break, which I hope we never need to use.

[_Os_]

It doesn't have to be a hooker that throws into the lineout. It used to be common for the nearest wing or scrumhalf to throw in, maybe oom remembers those times. Van Staden could come on at backrow and still throw.

The hooker always throws now because it makes the most sense. But RassNaber could get the entire team throwing to see who is best, and then we end up with Faf throwing. Dual scrumhalves and Faf throwing into the lineout, interesting.

[average joe]

It's a moot point anyways, because you're upset that I said van Staden might be a better option than Fourie and that's all that this is about. All I was saying is that he did not embarrass himself and that he did well even if it was only against Romania.

You state that we only have two specialized hookers and that it's a risk. At risk of upsetting you even more (I hope) I'll say we have one specialized hooker left, Bongi. Fourie is as much a specialized hooker as Faf is a specialized 10.

Again your recency bias is showing. Deon Fourie played many, many a year as hooker. He played hooker in France just before he came back to SA. I'm comfortable with him being the second hooker, he's no Marx, but knows what he is doing. My issue is that it's just the two of them, that is a lot of rugby to be played with just two players. Van Staden is an emergency break, which I hope we never need to use.

It's good to have an engaging conversation without it becoming personal. My personal opinion is that the players there deserve to be there, most of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Whoever our second hooker is, I'll trust the coaches know what they're doing.

My first post was on how van Staden fared in a position he does not normally play. He had a good game, granted against weak opponents. I stated that he is a heavier unit than Fourie and that his throws were smoother than Bongi's. You took exception to this and made it personal by stating that I'm biased. Also bringing in Marx, who's injured and did not play. I never said that he was a better player than them and should therefore be picked ahead of them. Perhaps in future, read my post for what it is instead of making it what you want it to be just to pick a fight. I'm a Freestate supporter, unlike others on here I have no bias.

[_Os_]

I'm a Freestate supporter, unlike others on here I have no bias.

[average joe]

You laughing at the fact that I'm a Cheetahs supporter and/or that we have no players in the squad or that I say I have no bias?

[OomStruisbaai]

It doesn't have to be a hooker that throws into the lineout. It used to be common for the nearest wing or scrumhalf to throw in, maybe oom remembers those times. Van Staden could come on at backrow and still throw.

The hooker always throws now because it makes the most sense. But RassNaber could get the entire team throwing to see who is best, and then we end up with Faf throwing. Dual scrumhalves and Faf throwing into the lineout, interesting.

van der Flier do it for Ireland.

[_Os_]

You laughing at the fact that I'm a Cheetahs supporter and/or that we have no players in the squad or that I say I have no bias?

That supporting Vrystaat means you aren't biased. It just happens in a different way.

Mostert is from Welkom, you will never not rate him, you call him "Sous".

Nyakane, another Joe favourite, played for the Cheetahs for years and can speak die taal.

Cyclops in a Cheetahs jersey.

[average joe]

You laughing at the fact that I'm a Cheetahs supporter and/or that we have no players in the squad or that I say I have no bias?

That supporting Vrystaat means you aren't biased. It just happens in a different way.

Mostert is from Welkom, you will never not rate him, you call him "Sous".

Nyakane, another Joe favourite, played for the Cheetahs for years and can speak die taal.

Cyclops in a Cheetahs jersey.

Nether plays for the Freestate sir Ox. Even though Mostert is from my hometown I don't rate him higher than The Langebaan tikkie basher or The Viking at lock or Klein Piet Spiere at flank. He's a handy utility player to have though. Just as The big black bull is a handy utility prop to have, but I don't rate him higher than Spicy plum or fat Frans or your name's sake or even that other very wit oke. I do rate him higher than The Tank though, and I reckon you're still a bit sour about that, sir Ox.

[Sandstorm]

It doesn't have to be a hooker that throws into the lineout. It used to be common for the nearest wing or scrumhalf to throw in, maybe oom remembers those times. Van Staden could come on at backrow and still throw.

The hooker always throws now because it makes the most sense. But RassNaber could get the entire team throwing to see who is best, and then we end up with Faf throwing. Dual scrumhalves and Faf throwing into the lineout, interesting.

Let Snyman hand the ball into the lineout. He’ll reach at least #4 jumper without having to cross the touchline.

[LoveOfTheGame]

It's a moot point anyways, because you're upset that I said van Staden might be a better option than Fourie and that's all that this is about. All I was saying is that he did not embarrass himself and that he did well even if it was only against Romania.

You state that we only have two specialized hookers and that it's a risk. At risk of upsetting you even more (I hope) I'll say we have one specialized hooker left, Bongi. Fourie is as much a specialized hooker as Faf is a specialized 10.

Again your recency bias is showing. Deon Fourie played many, many a year as hooker. He played hooker in France just before he came back to SA. I'm comfortable with him being the second hooker, he's no Marx, but knows what he is doing. My issue is that it's just the two of them, that is a lot of rugby to be played with just two players. Van Staden is an emergency break, which I hope we never need to use.

It's good to have an engaging conversation without it becoming personal. My personal opinion is that the players there deserve to be there, most of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Whoever our second hooker is, I'll trust the coaches know what they're doing.

My first post was on how van Staden fared in a position he does not normally play. He had a good game, granted against weak opponents. I stated that he is a heavier unit than Fourie and that his throws were smoother than Bongi's. You took exception to this and made it personal by stating that I'm biased. Also bringing in Marx, who's injured and did not play. I never said that he was a better player than them and should therefore be picked ahead of them. Perhaps in future, read my post for what it is instead of making it what you want it to be just to pick a fight. I'm a Freestate supporter, unlike others on here I have no bias.

It's not a personal insult or attack when somebody says you are biasing your opinions on recent results by the way. I merely pointed out to you that in my opinion your assumption that van Staden is a better option than Fourie (who actually plays at hooker) based on the performance of van Staden's very limited game time at 2 versus a very poor Romania team is not fair. Just because it is very convenient for us at the moment to replace Marx with Pollard does not mean there is no tangible risk involved. Van Staden will be ok for an emergency against average opponents, but will be badly found out against top opponents.

[_Os_]

Even though Mostert is from my hometown I don't rate him higher than The Langebaan tikkie basher or The Viking at lock or Klein Piet Spiere at flank.

If he was from my hometown I would be demanding he be first choice 5 lock and blindside, captain, lineout thrower, and place kicker.

[average joe]

Again your recency bias is showing. Deon Fourie played many, many a year as hooker. He played hooker in France just before he came back to SA. I'm comfortable with him being the second hooker, he's no Marx, but knows what he is doing. My issue is that it's just the two of them, that is a lot of rugby to be played with just two players. Van Staden is an emergency break, which I hope we never need to use.

It's good to have an engaging conversation without it becoming personal. My personal opinion is that the players there deserve to be there, most of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Whoever our second hooker is, I'll trust the coaches know what they're doing.

My first post was on how van Staden fared in a position he does not normally play. He had a good game, granted against weak opponents. I stated that he is a heavier unit than Fourie and that his throws were smoother than Bongi's. You took exception to this and made it personal by stating that I'm biased. Also bringing in Marx, who's injured and did not play. I never said that he was a better player than them and should therefore be picked ahead of them. Perhaps in future, read my post for what it is instead of making it what you want it to be just to pick a fight. I'm a Freestate supporter, unlike others on here I have no bias.

It's not a personal insult or attack when somebody says you are biasing your opinions on recent results by the way. I merely pointed out to you that in my opinion your assumption that van Staden is a better option than Fourie (who actually plays at hooker) based on the performance of van Staden's very limited game time at 2 versus a very poor Romania team is not fair. Just because it is very convenient for us at the moment to replace Marx with Pollard does not mean there is no tangible risk involved. Van Staden will be ok for an emergency against average opponents, but will be badly found out against top opponents.

My "assumption" was not that van Staden is a better option than Fourie. The important part of that post that you are missing is the one at the beginning of the sentence "MIGHT". It is a risk replacing a hooker with a 10 but frankly replacing Marx with very green Dweba can also be risky. Your last sentence is the only assumption here. You assume that van Staden will be badly found out against top opponents because you don't know, because you have no proof to back you up, because there is none, because he's never played hooker at this level. He "MIGHT" just not be found out, he "MIGHT" turn out to be the best hooker in the world or he "MIGHT" be a busted flush, we don't know.

[Sandstorm]

Even though Mostert is from my hometown I don't rate him higher than The Langebaan tikkie basher or The Viking at lock or Klein Piet Spiere at flank.

If he was from my hometown I would be demanding he be first choice 5 lock and blindside, captain, lineout thrower, and place kicker.

No-one from Harare has that many skills.

[average joe]

Even though Mostert is from my hometown I don't rate him higher than The Langebaan tikkie basher or The Viking at lock or Klein Piet Spiere at flank.

If he was from my hometown I would be demanding he be first choice 5 lock and blindside, captain, lineout thrower, and place kicker.

Ja, you Sharkies are like that. Or at least the ones on here.

[average joe]

Even though Mostert is from my hometown I don't rate him higher than The Langebaan tikkie basher or The Viking at lock or Klein Piet Spiere at flank.

If he was from my hometown I would be demanding he be first choice 5 lock and blindside, captain, lineout thrower, and place kicker.

No-one from Harare has that many skills.

Fok, maak jy my koffie op my screen spoeg, bliksem.

[OomStruisbaai]

Even though Mostert is from my hometown I don't rate him higher than The Langebaan tikkie basher or The Viking at lock or Klein Piet Spiere at flank.

If he was from my hometown I would be demanding he be first choice 5 lock and blindside, captain, lineout thrower, and place kicker.

Cameron Wright for Springboks?

[LoveOfTheGame]

It's good to have an engaging conversation without it becoming personal. My personal opinion is that the players there deserve to be there, most of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Whoever our second hooker is, I'll trust the coaches know what they're doing.

My first post was on how van Staden fared in a position he does not normally play. He had a good game, granted against weak opponents. I stated that he is a heavier unit than Fourie and that his throws were smoother than Bongi's. You took exception to this and made it personal by stating that I'm biased. Also bringing in Marx, who's injured and did not play. I never said that he was a better player than them and should therefore be picked ahead of them. Perhaps in future, read my post for what it is instead of making it what you want it to be just to pick a fight. I'm a Freestate supporter, unlike others on here I have no bias.

It's not a personal insult or attack when somebody says you are biasing your opinions on recent results by the way. I merely pointed out to you that in my opinion your assumption that van Staden is a better option than Fourie (who actually plays at hooker) based on the performance of van Staden's very limited game time at 2 versus a very poor Romania team is not fair. Just because it is very convenient for us at the moment to replace Marx with Pollard does not mean there is no tangible risk involved. Van Staden will be ok for an emergency against average opponents, but will be badly found out against top opponents.

My "assumption" was not that van Staden is a better option than Fourie. The important part of that post that you are missing is the one at the beginning of the sentence "MIGHT". It is a risk replacing a hooker with a 10 but frankly replacing Marx with very green Dweba can also be risky. Your last sentence is the only assumption here. You assume that van Staden will be badly found out against top opponents because you don't know, because you have no proof to back you up, because there is none, because he's never played hooker at this level. He "MIGHT" just not be found out, he "MIGHT" turn out to be the best hooker in the world or he "MIGHT" be a busted flush, we don't know.

Meh, going around in circles. Let's hope destiny does not give us the opportunity to review van Staden in high pressure match at hooker. He's struggling to consistently perform in his primary role already.

[average joe]

It's not a personal insult or attack when somebody says you are biasing your opinions on recent results by the way. I merely pointed out to you that in my opinion your assumption that van Staden is a better option than Fourie (who actually plays at hooker) based on the performance of van Staden's very limited game time at 2 versus a very poor Romania team is not fair. Just because it is very convenient for us at the moment to replace Marx with Pollard does not mean there is no tangible risk involved. Van Staden will be ok for an emergency against average opponents, but will be badly found out against top opponents.

My "assumption" was not that van Staden is a better option than Fourie. The important part of that post that you are missing is the one at the beginning of the sentence "MIGHT". It is a risk replacing a hooker with a 10 but frankly replacing Marx with very green Dweba can also be risky. Your last sentence is the only assumption here. You assume that van Staden will be badly found out against top opponents because you don't know, because you have no proof to back you up, because there is none, because he's never played hooker at this level. He "MIGHT" just not be found out, he "MIGHT" turn out to be the best hooker in the world or he "MIGHT" be a busted flush, we don't know.

Meh, going around in circles. Let's hope destiny does not give us the opportunity to review van Staden in high pressure match at hooker. He's struggling to consistently perform in his primary role already.

Another assumption, he's hardly played so what are you basing your opinion on? The guy comes very highly rated and even the Bok coaches saw something there. They rated him higher than Louw and Roos.

[_Os_]

Even though Mostert is from my hometown I don't rate him higher than The Langebaan tikkie basher or The Viking at lock or Klein Piet Spiere at flank.

If he was from my hometown I would be demanding he be first choice 5 lock and blindside, captain, lineout thrower, and place kicker.

Ja, you Sharkies are like that. Or at least the ones on here.

Souties are the most biased in provincial rugby, because for us on some deep subconscious level it's about getting one over the boere. The first reaction of Marx going down from an older relative was "with Malcom gone there's none of us in the squad". Sharks are the soutie team like the Bulls are the boer team.

Afrikaners are the opposite, more biased about the Boks, for them on some deep subconscious level it's about getting one over the Anglos. Rassie is that made into a person, outside SA he only seems to rate Ireland. They tend not to even know who players are in other teams (Edinburgh is a city in Ireland etc), just different coloured shirts on Engelsmanne there to be beaten. Foreigners always rate ons Engels as more "reasonable" because they don't see the provincial stuff, only tests where ons Engels worry about how they come across in a way they don't when playing the Bulls.

I tend to think both groups have valid points.

[_Os_]

Even though Mostert is from my hometown I don't rate him higher than The Langebaan tikkie basher or The Viking at lock or Klein Piet Spiere at flank.

If he was from my hometown I would be demanding he be first choice 5 lock and blindside, captain, lineout thrower, and place kicker.

Cameron Wright for Springboks?

The 5th scrumhalf option.

[Sandstorm]

If he was from my hometown I would be demanding he be first choice 5 lock and blindside, captain, lineout thrower, and place kicker.

Cameron Wright for Springboks?

The 5th scrumhalf option.

Herschel bumped down another slot in 2023.

[average joe]

If he was from my hometown I would be demanding he be first choice 5 lock and blindside, captain, lineout thrower, and place kicker.

Ja, you Sharkies are like that. Or at least the ones on here.

Souties are the most biased in provincial rugby, because for us on some deep subconscious level it's about getting one over the boere. The first reaction of Marx going down from an older relative was "with Malcom gone there's none of us in the squad". Sharks are the soutie team like the Bulls are the boer team.

Afrikaners are the opposite, more biased about the Boks, for them on some deep subconscious level it's about getting one over the Anglos. Rassie is that made into a person, outside SA he only seems to rate Ireland. They tend not to even know who players are in other teams (Edinburgh is a city in Ireland etc), just different coloured shirts on Engelsmanne there to be beaten. Foreigners always rate ons Engels as more "reasonable" because they don't see the provincial stuff, only tests where ons Engels worry about how they come across in a way they don't when playing the Bulls.

I tend to think both groups have valid points.

You'll not find many Afrikaners that don't like the Irish. We have a lot in common with them. Suip, fight and dirty talk, dislike the English and wear a similar coloured jersey.

[LoveOfTheGame]

My "assumption" was not that van Staden is a better option than Fourie. The important part of that post that you are missing is the one at the beginning of the sentence "MIGHT". It is a risk replacing a hooker with a 10 but frankly replacing Marx with very green Dweba can also be risky. Your last sentence is the only assumption here. You assume that van Staden will be badly found out against top opponents because you don't know, because you have no proof to back you up, because there is none, because he's never played hooker at this level. He "MIGHT" just not be found out, he "MIGHT" turn out to be the best hooker in the world or he "MIGHT" be a busted flush, we don't know.

Meh, going around in circles. Let's hope destiny does not give us the opportunity to review van Staden in high pressure match at hooker. He's struggling to consistently perform in his primary role already.

Another assumption, he's hardly played so what are you basing your opinion on? The guy comes very highly rated and even the Bok coaches saw something there. They rated him higher than Louw and Roos.

I rate all the Boks, he is just right at the bottom of the pile. That's my opinion, make of it what you will.

[_Os_]

Oom, there's no Huw Jones in this photo.