2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

[Torquemada 1420]

He's by a good distance the biggest whingeing twat across either bored. Even worse than the Saffa loons. I don't thunk he actually watches the rugby, just the refs through his one good eye.

Fucking tedious is right.

More quality reffing for you to digest

That’s not a yellow.

Nearer a red.

[Torquemada 1420]

Bollox. Good hard man's tackle. We have got ragdolled a few times hence why we have one Heino in 10 years. More of the same from Porter thank you very much only next time stand over him shouting obscenities

Pretty much what we would expect from pikeys.

[TheFrog]

By the scale of Toulouse 's spanking, I am worried about France's prospect at the world cup.

La Rochelle made it to the Final thanks to its imported beef.

[fishfoodie]

By the scale of Toulouse 's spanking, I am worried about France's prospect at the world cup.

La Rochelle made it to the Final thanks to its imported beef.

Nah.

Toulouse were hit with a preventable error with the 6:2 split, that left them having to move the best SH out of position, & spent the rest of match suffering from not having a utility back on the bench.

There's always a really good chance you'll need to go to Plan B in a top level game, & the Toulouse coaches fucked up by going with the bigger cattle approach, when they started with a ~70kg advantage in the pack.

[Tichtheid]

We'll find out quite quickly in the RWC, the winners and runners up in Pools A & B meet in the quarters, so leaving aside what I'd want to happen and Scotland not making it that far, South Africa and Ireland will each meet New Zealand or France.

[TheFrog]

By the scale of Toulouse 's spanking, I am worried about France's prospect at the world cup.

La Rochelle made it to the Final thanks to its imported beef.

Nah.

Toulouse were hit with a preventable error with the 6:2 split, that left them having to move the best SH out of position, & spent the rest of match suffering from not having a utility back on the bench.

There's always a really good chance you'll need to go to Plan B in a top level game, & the Toulouse coaches fucked up by going with the bigger cattle approach, when they started with a ~70kg advantage in the pack.

In fairness, the Toulouse coaches were spread thin in the backs and I am not sure they could have had a third decent back on the bench.

Beside, the way they leaked twice 14 points in two spells playing with 14 men is a worry. Hopefully one that will not be transfered to France.

[TheFrog]

I think Toulouse lack a powerful center too. Akhi is no longer thrbplayer he was.

[Biffer]

Well, regardless of all that pish I think the two best teams in the competition are in the final. Should be a belter, just wish it was on neutral ground.

[paddyor]

Wrong incidents. The feed I had said RTE but your point is probably valid i.e. TMO has own feed so all the bluster about Fre broadcasters not showing replays should be irrelevant.

The thing about French broadcasters was they never showed replays at all where there might be a question about illegality. And sometimes refs can be influenced to go back and look at stuff due to whats on the big screen. And a French TV producer freely admitted this.

[paddyor]

Well, regardless of all that pish I think the two best teams in the competition are in the final. Should be a belter, just wish it was on neutral ground.

It'd be a nuetral ground if Ulster Leicester or Toulouse had knocked us out.

[Biffer]

Well, regardless of all that pish I think the two best teams in the competition are in the final. Should be a belter, just wish it was on neutral ground.

It'd be a nuetral ground if Ulster Leicester or Toulouse had knocked us out.

And that has no relevance to the point. Usual dickhead Irish comment. DuR wE jUsT tWo GuD fIr DeM. Try to have a worthwhile opinion rather than wanking into your own coffee occasionally.

[CM11]

As usual you missed the point in your usual attempt to be a prick on all matters Irish.

This is the first final with an Irish team in Ireland since they picked the final venue in advance. English teams in particular and French teams have benefited from home country advantage in the past, something that isn't insignificant. Every final involving an English side taking place in England has been won by the English side.

So, the point was that the final venue was open to all. Being a prick about the fact that Leinster have managed to make it this year having failed at semi final stage in 2003 and not even making knockouts in 2013 is just being, well, a prick.

[Uncle fester]

Well, regardless of all that pish I think the two best teams in the competition are in the final. Should be a belter, just wish it was on neutral ground.

It'd be a nuetral ground if Ulster Leicester or Toulouse had knocked us out.

And that has no relevance to the point. Usual dickhead Irish comment. DuR wE jUsT tWo GuD fIr DeM. Try to have a worthwhile opinion rather than wanking into your own coffee occasionally.

You mean Leinster. The rest of us are sound.

[Tichtheid]

It'd be a nuetral ground if Ulster Leicester or Toulouse had knocked us out.

And that has no relevance to the point. Usual dickhead Irish comment. DuR wE jUsT tWo GuD fIr DeM. Try to have a worthwhile opinion rather than wanking into your own coffee occasionally.

You mean Leinster. The rest of us are sound.

It's not even all Leinster, I've known a fair few folk from Skerries and they are sound too.

There does seem to be a bit of a nervous tick when it comes to some fans online. I took Biffer's original post to mean that a neutral venue would make for an even more interesting contest between two fantastic sides.
Home advantage counts for a heck of a lot.
It didn't seem like a dig at Leinster or even the set up of the competition to me.

[CM11]

The nature of rugby stadiums is that there is always a chance you get a team playing in a venue they're comfortable in.

We have neutral venues plenty of times. This year a combination of the ridiculous last 16 and no draw for the semis has skewed the knockouts into a decent advantage for Leinster. Shit happens but venue was open to all and as above home country advantage has helped other teams in the past.

The bleating seems excessive this year for some reason. Can't quite put my finger on it. Hmmmm.

[Biffer]

And that has no relevance to the point. Usual dickhead Irish comment. DuR wE jUsT tWo GuD fIr DeM. Try to have a worthwhile opinion rather than wanking into your own coffee occasionally.

You mean Leinster. The rest of us are sound.

It's not even all Leinster, I've known a fair few folk from Skerries and they are sound too.

There does seem to be a bit of a nervous tick when it comes to some fans online. I took Biffer's original post to mean that a neutral venue would make for an even more interesting contest between two fantastic sides.
Home advantage counts for a heck of a lot.
It didn't seem like a dig at Leinster or even the set up of the competition to me.

That was exactly my point, but some Irish preciousness immediately jumped in.

[Tichtheid]

Someone with more time to check can correct me on this, but I think this is the fourth time since the competition began that the final has been held in the city where one of the finalists play - Cardiff once, Wasps twice and now Leinster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... Cup#Finals

[CM11]

You mean Leinster. The rest of us are sound.

It's not even all Leinster, I've known a fair few folk from Skerries and they are sound too.

There does seem to be a bit of a nervous tick when it comes to some fans online. I took Biffer's original post to mean that a neutral venue would make for an even more interesting contest between two fantastic sides.
Home advantage counts for a heck of a lot.
It didn't seem like a dig at Leinster or even the set up of the competition to me.

That was exactly my point, but some Irish preciousness immediately jumped in.

Have you met kettle?

[Kawazaki]

What's this thing about our fans being nobs anyway. Where? On Facebook with all the other international nobs? Never saw it on PR and in fact we are too magnanimous and prone to following whatever trend like 'Dupont is actually the best player that ever lived with a head the same size as his torso'.

If you couldn't see any Irish being dickheads on PR then you'll never see it!

[Uncle fester]

You mean Leinster. The rest of us are sound.

It's not even all Leinster, I've known a fair few folk from Skerries and they are sound too.

There does seem to be a bit of a nervous tick when it comes to some fans online. I took Biffer's original post to mean that a neutral venue would make for an even more interesting contest between two fantastic sides.
Home advantage counts for a heck of a lot.
It didn't seem like a dig at Leinster or even the set up of the competition to me.

That was exactly my point, but some Irish preciousness immediately jumped in.

Leinster.
I will keep correcting you until you acknowledge.

[CM11]

Fester is asking for the IT article to be posted to remind him how arrogant and condescending some Munster fans can be.

[Kawazaki]

What's this thing about our fans being nobs anyway. Where? On Facebook with all the other international nobs? Never saw it on PR and in fact we are too magnanimous and prone to following whatever trend like 'Dupont is actually the best player that ever lived with a head the same size as his torso'.

If you couldn't see any Irish being dickheads on PR then you'll never see it!

It was massively overplayed by lads like you. Just repeated again and again and again when there wasn't much evidence for it bar some piss taking. Now we have cycled into a 2018 like good period we are in the crosshairs and that is fine. I will say I don't frequent anywhere online outside of here really these days but saw some of the Irish lads having a go off the womens Irish rugby on social media and its been bottom feeding stuff. So yeah there may now be a sizeable element of cunts spread far and wide. World is fucked with all this culture wars fuckology. Murdoch should be hung drawn and quartered

"Overplayed"?

Get some self-awareness fella.

[CM11]

Toga asking others to be self aware?!

[PornDog]

You mean Leinster. The rest of us are sound.

It's not even all Leinster, I've known a fair few folk from Skerries and they are sound too.

There does seem to be a bit of a nervous tick when it comes to some fans online. I took Biffer's original post to mean that a neutral venue would make for an even more interesting contest between two fantastic sides.
Home advantage counts for a heck of a lot.
It didn't seem like a dig at Leinster or even the set up of the competition to me.

That was exactly my point, but some Irish preciousness immediately jumped in.

TBF, there's a lot of bleating about Leinster having an unfair advantage getting home ties, when there was no such bleating when La Rochelle and Toulouse had actual home stadium (not home country, but their own actual home stadia) semi final ties in 2021, or Exeter had in 2020. Not a peep out of anyone. But Leinster have home country advantage, earned through performance and the laws of the competition, and all of a sudden commentators are up in arms about how unfair it is.

While on the surface it seems like a sensible discussion, it is heavily laden with hypocrisy and no small amount on nonsense*. It's not the first time that an Irish teams success (and they haven't won anything yet) has caused a stir about unfair advantages in the British press.

Add to that and you've Bayfield getting bitch slapped by ROG when he said Leinster have easy games in the URC coming up while La Rochelle have the Top 14 grind and it just reinforces the fact that most of the criticisms levelled against Irish teams are coming from a place of absolute ignorance.

It all leaves a very sour taste in the mouth, so I can understand people being a little quick to fly off the handle when it's brought up, yet again, even if in this instance you weren't actually bringing it up but got caught in a bit of an unwarranted crossfire.


* should we stop hosting Finals in Twickenham because Harlequins use it, Judgement Day rules out the Millenium and the 1870 games rules out Murrayfield, pretty sure Stade use St. Denis as well, Tottenham shouldn't be hosting it next year because Sarries use that!!!!

[Uncle fester]

That was exactly my point, but some Irish preciousness immediately jumped in.

Leinster.
I will keep correcting you until you acknowledge.

Munster were and are always the really grating twiddle dee fans. Make everyone sick Fester though as noted you are more a true blue royal

We were and remain loveable scamps who knew the good times wouldn't last.

Leinster fans on the other hand think they are the rugby equivalent of a thousand year Reich.

[CM11]

Leinster.
I will keep correcting you until you acknowledge.

Munster were and are always the really grating twiddle dee fans. Make everyone sick Fester though as noted you are more a true blue royal

We were and remain loveable scamps who knew the good times wouldn't last.

Leinster fans on the other hand think they are the rugby equivalent of a thousand year Reich.

Don't say you weren't warned.

Sport
'Even staunch Blues now fear a hiding'
IN THE RED CORNER: Three years ago Munster fan NIALL KIELY found it hard to be humble when faced with Leinster's delusions…
Sat May 2 2009 - 01:00
IN THE RED CORNER:Three years ago Munster fan NIALL KIELY found it hard to be humble when faced with Leinster's delusions of adequacy. Today, he says it is impossible to be humble and much easier to be patronising.

DREADFUL CANARDS and shameful slights are doing the rounds of Munster textland this weekend. Sly, sleekit, faux-innocent questions. This column agonised through a dark night of the soul before it became obvious that in our Information Age, it would be venal to break an SMS joke-chain. Thus:

Question one: What do you call a Leinster supporter in Europe after May 2nd?

Question two: Felipe Contepomi said what to the garda who caught him speeding?

READ MORE

Question three: What do General Pinochet and Leinster have in common? (Answers at the end.)

Seriously, though. Now that we’ve finalised the Larne- Stranraer bookings, I suppose the Croke Park business must be got through somehow. It might even prove a semi-decent warm-up for Edinburgh, though the suspicion lingers that a team with more need in the gut than Leinster might lay down a stiffer test.

Why has the gap widened to the extent that even staunch Blues are sweating bricks, and (the honest ones) now fear a hiding?

Liverpool would be pleased if their Boot Room succession- model of old was still delivering Munster-smooth continuity. In Leinster, Michael “Butch” Cheika and his Sundance farceur, David Knox, strutted into town and inherited a pretty decent, albeit soft-centred squad. What’s been developed in the years since?

Frankly, not much. Importing instant-fix, High Veldt muscle isn’t going to provide either a medium or long-term solution – given a pack that still doesn’t get the difference between “want” and “need” to win – and gives not even immediate succour when any bought-in, beef-to-the-heel Boer heifer has Achilles’ hooves.

The organisation? It gave us the farce of Felipe Contepomi’s cocked-up original registration. It managed to let slip easily the best outhalf package it ever had: neat, unshowy David Holwell, who looked the playmaker most likely to let slip the hounds of O’Driscoll and D’Arcy. Even the daft loss of press officer Pat Geraghty has been Munster’s considerable gain. And as for Isa Nacewa: Lord, have mercy.

Last month’s ticketing debacle? Leinster rushed into sales, made a mess of that, as well as the aftermath of the Ticketmaster fiasco. Some genius then tried to strong-arm the province’s clubs with dire threat of consequence should Reds appear in “Blue” seating: ye gods. And the clubs were short-changed and left angry over their miserly allocations.

The Leinster playing style? To the external tracker, there’s evident spoor of internal dissonance. Is the “Real Leinster” the team which wiped Wasps off the RDS pitch, or the side which limped through the later ERC pool games – or is it the limp lot who went down tamely, home and away, to Munster in the Magners?

How can dependable, all-weather gameplans evolve with a unbiddable head-banger at outhalf; a superannuated Aussie crabbing inconsequentially at scrumhalf and a backrow lacking either a linking rover (sin of omission: Keith Gleeson was deaf to all pay or persuasion to give it a Johnny Logan?) or a lethal lumberjack (one of commission: non-selection of Seán O’Brien).

And contrast the disaffection among Leinster clubs with Munster Rugby. Munster Rugby has the goodwill of its provincial clubs. Not just the top-table Shannons, Garryowens, Cork Cons – it’s just as much the nascent likes of Cashel, the Castleislands and Carrick-on- Suirs. Most people I know in Leinster junior rugby are Munster supporters by inclination: they relate to a genuine entity that well represents them abroad. Chapters of Reds in Connacht, Ulster and across the diaspora have viscerally connected to a noble concept: a group of sportsmen has truly earned the troth of its motley; and a roiling terrace knows its faith is acknowledged in kind.

Reggie Corrigan had a weekend slap at “Lunsters” – Jonathan-come-latelies turned Redcoats. Some may of course be prawn-sandwich opportunists, but the vast majority I reckon became disenchanted over bitter years on the concrete steps of Donnybrook by the fundamentally uncaring “performance” of so-called professionals who simply couldn’t be arsed.

Appreciation of Munster’s simple virtues is now widespread. The text questions above came from Llanelli stalwarts. They know their rugby, their captain for years has been the revered Simon Easterby – who in his prime would have dovetailed seamlessly with most Munster backrows – and they are envious but admiring aficionados of the Munster project. The Scarlets even “get” Leinster: they’ve got their local ladyboys, the Neath-Swansea Ospreys. As my Llanelli friend Dewi might put it: “Niall bach, our Ashtrays are just like your Leinster – all fur coat and no knickers.”

One feels sorry for Leinster diehards – almost – and those three-quarter thoroughbreds. Just a couple of Magners from that sleek slew of gilded genius, lads? As Felipe might say: Jesús,

María y José!

But it’s really, genuinely not just about results. We’ve been to Lille and back, suffered the Backhand. Folks, it’s this simple: we Reds love the magnificent gestalt that is our Munster, we care deeply for these people who have leavened our quotidians with joy and brio and serious fun, we have endless time for our players who viscerally reciprocate our ardour.

Soon after seven o’clock this evening, the ultimate Red shout of the evening will succumb to susurrus, and in that fine sibilance will resonate our most recent epiphany. Bless these men.

And the answers: 1 A tourist; 2 At this stage, I’ll do anything for points; 3 Both gather people in stadiums and torture them.

Niall Kiely is a former Irish Timesjournalist and contributes to RTÉ's What it Says in the Paper

[Tichtheid]

It's not even all Leinster, I've known a fair few folk from Skerries and they are sound too.

There does seem to be a bit of a nervous tick when it comes to some fans online. I took Biffer's original post to mean that a neutral venue would make for an even more interesting contest between two fantastic sides.
Home advantage counts for a heck of a lot.
It didn't seem like a dig at Leinster or even the set up of the competition to me.

That was exactly my point, but some Irish preciousness immediately jumped in.

TBF, there's a lot of bleating about Leinster having an unfair advantage getting home ties, when there was no such bleating when La Rochelle and Toulouse had actual home stadium (not home country, but their own actual home stadia) semi final ties in 2021, or Exeter had in 2020. Not a peep out of anyone.

Did no one say that the home team would have an advantage in those games, not one single person?

For the record, La Rochelle's upcoming fixture list is Leinster away in the Euro final, their Top 14 fixtures before the knock outs are; Toulon away, Montpellier away and Stade Francais at home. Each of these teams are jockeying for position for the play offs.

Leinster's likely run in for the remainder of the season is La Rochelle at home in the Euros, Sharks at home in the league 1/4, Glasgow or Munster at home in the 1/2 and one of Stormers, Bulls, Ulster or Connacht at home in the final

They're not breaking any rules, but in a game where the elite matches can be decided by the smallest of things, I don't see the problem with pointing out the fact that Leinster have a great chance of the double, especially with how the fixtures play out.

Personally I'd love it if Edinburgh were in that position, I wouldn't start roarin and greetin about others saying our cause is helped by playing all the games in Edinburgh, there is no asterisk put beside the record depending on where the game is played.

[Uncle fester]

I am happy with thousand year Reich. Snappy uniforms

You share the same insecurity and neediness.
The Nazis would totally go for stars on their jerseys.

[CM11]

That was exactly my point, but some Irish preciousness immediately jumped in.

TBF, there's a lot of bleating about Leinster having an unfair advantage getting home ties, when there was no such bleating when La Rochelle and Toulouse had actual home stadium (not home country, but their own actual home stadia) semi final ties in 2021, or Exeter had in 2020. Not a peep out of anyone.

Did no one say that the home team would have an advantage in those games, not one single person?

For the record, La Rochelle's upcoming fixture list is Leinster away in the Euro final, their Top 14 fixtures before the knock outs are; Toulon away, Montpellier away and Stade Francais at home. Each of these teams are jockeying for position for the play offs.

Leinster's likely run in for the remainder of the season is La Rochelle at home in the Euros, Sharks at home in the league 1/4, Glasgow or Munster at home in the 1/2 and one of Stormers, Bulls, Ulster or Connacht at home in the final

They're not breaking any rules, but in a game where the elite matches can be decided by the smallest of things, I don't see the problem with pointing out the fact that Leinster have a great chance of the double, especially with how the fixtures play out.

Personally I'd love it if Edinburgh were in that position, I wouldn't start roarin and greetin about others saying our cause is helped by playing all the games in Edinburgh, there is no asterisk put beside the record depending on where the game is played.

No one has said we don't have an advantage.

It's the bleating about how it's so unfair that's the problem.

The irony of course being that we (the Irish) weren't in favour of any changes to the comp 10 years ago yet those changes have led to the situation where we've four knockouts in a row in our home city.

[Tichtheid]

TBF, there's a lot of bleating about Leinster having an unfair advantage getting home ties, when there was no such bleating when La Rochelle and Toulouse had actual home stadium (not home country, but their own actual home stadia) semi final ties in 2021, or Exeter had in 2020. Not a peep out of anyone.

Did no one say that the home team would have an advantage in those games, not one single person?

For the record, La Rochelle's upcoming fixture list is Leinster away in the Euro final, their Top 14 fixtures before the knock outs are; Toulon away, Montpellier away and Stade Francais at home. Each of these teams are jockeying for position for the play offs.

Leinster's likely run in for the remainder of the season is La Rochelle at home in the Euros, Sharks at home in the league 1/4, Glasgow or Munster at home in the 1/2 and one of Stormers, Bulls, Ulster or Connacht at home in the final

They're not breaking any rules, but in a game where the elite matches can be decided by the smallest of things, I don't see the problem with pointing out the fact that Leinster have a great chance of the double, especially with how the fixtures play out.

Personally I'd love it if Edinburgh were in that position, I wouldn't start roarin and greetin about others saying our cause is helped by playing all the games in Edinburgh, there is no asterisk put beside the record depending on where the game is played.

No one has said we don't have an advantage.

It's the bleating about how it's so unfair that's the problem.

The irony of course being that we (the Irish) weren't in favour of any changes to the comp 10 years ago yet those changes have led to the situation where we've four knockouts in a row in our home city.

No one here can control what happens outside of this forum. I've searched this thread for the word "unfair" and besides JM2K saying it's not unfair and me saying the same, the only occurrences of the word come from the posters who are Leinster fans, from what I gather, complaining about people saying it's so unfair..

[CM11]

It's a general theme, being led by the English media.

You can't guarantee the finalists (last two in Lansdowne were all French affairs) so no point even discussing it.

[Tichtheid]

It's a general theme, being led by the English media.

You can't guarantee the finalists (last two in Lansdowne were all French affairs) so no point even discussing it.

No one here is discussing it (the unfairness of it all) except you guys.

[PornDog]

It's a general theme, being led by the English media.

You can't guarantee the finalists (last two in Lansdowne were all French affairs) so no point even discussing it.

No one here is discussing it (the unfairness of it all) except you guys.

Biffer felt agrieved because he felt an Irish poster was taking offence at his reference to 'nuetral ground'. I explained why we're currently a bit sensitive about this and are pissed off at the bullshit narrative emanating from the English media - whether it exists on this forum or not is not exactly the point.

[Tichtheid]

It's a general theme, being led by the English media.

You can't guarantee the finalists (last two in Lansdowne were all French affairs) so no point even discussing it.

No one here is discussing it (the unfairness of it all) except you guys.

Biffer felt agrieved because he felt an Irish poster was taking offence at his reference to 'nuetral ground'. I explained why we're currently a bit sensitive about this and are pissed off at the bullshit narrative emanating from the English media - whether it exists on this forum or not is not exactly the point.

Okay, Biffer's post was misunderstood and the repeated references to "bleating" were from outwith this forum.


One of the reasons I don't think it's unfair (the Heineken Cup) is that it's a big event that is played out over two days, the wee cup and the big cup. That takes a lot of organising and it's really difficult to do that on short notice, so it makes sense to choose a venue well in advance.

The URC also seems fair enough to me in a multinational competition, it's easy to host a French final in Paris or an English one in London, being top of the log should come with some reward and home play offs recognise the achievement over the season. If a team beats Leinster in Dublin they earn it.

I'm a bit miffed at the lack of faith the SRU put in Edinburgh tbh, we've got Beyonce and then Harry Styles booked for Murrayfield on the days of the big finals.

[paddyor]

Well, regardless of all that pish I think the two best teams in the competition are in the final. Should be a belter, just wish it was on neutral ground.

It'd be a nuetral ground if Ulster Leicester or Toulouse had knocked us out.

And that has no relevance to the point. Usual dickhead Irish comment. DuR wE jUsT tWo GuD fIr DeM. Try to have a worthwhile opinion rather than wanking into your own coffee occasionally.

You wouldn't give a toss if it was Edinburgh in HCC or Challenge cup final in Edinburgh.

[Torquemada 1420]

By the scale of Toulouse 's spanking, I am worried about France's prospect at the world cup.

La Rochelle made it to the Final thanks to its imported beef.

Nah.

Toulouse were hit with a preventable error with the 6:2 split, that left them having to move the best SH out of position, & spent the rest of match suffering from not having a utility back on the bench.

There's always a really good chance you'll need to go to Plan B in a top level game, & the Toulouse coaches fucked up by going with the bigger cattle approach, when they started with a ~70kg advantage in the pack.

100%. Between Mola and Barnes they combined to reduce ST's chances from outsiders to nil. I'm not sure the 6:2 was de facto the error but the choice of the 2 and then the subsequent choice of realignment was staggeringly dim.

Whilst Leinster might just be as close to being the Irish ntl team as it possible to be as a "club" side, that absolutely is not true of Toulouse.

[Torquemada 1420]

Wrong incidents. The feed I had said RTE but your point is probably valid i.e. TMO has own feed so all the bluster about Fre broadcasters not showing replays should be irrelevant.

The thing about French broadcasters was they never showed replays at all where there might be a question about illegality. And sometimes refs can be influenced to go back and look at stuff due to whats on the big screen. And a French TV producer freely admitted this.

Well, then I'd suggest that is yet another failing in the officiating that needs addressing?

[Torquemada 1420]

What's this thing about our fans being nobs anyway. Where? On Facebook with all the other international nobs? Never saw it on PR and in fact we are too magnanimous and prone to following whatever trend like 'Dupont is actually the best player that ever lived with a head the same size as his torso'.

FM. Lack of self awareness. The Swarm were the biggest collective c**ts ever to hit PR.

[CM11]

No one here is discussing it (the unfairness of it all) except you guys.

Biffer felt agrieved because he felt an Irish poster was taking offence at his reference to 'nuetral ground'. I explained why we're currently a bit sensitive about this and are pissed off at the bullshit narrative emanating from the English media - whether it exists on this forum or not is not exactly the point.

Okay, Biffer's post was misunderstood and the repeated references to "bleating" were from outwith this forum.

Eh, no. Biffer misunderstood the post he initially got in a tizzy about.

[Tichtheid]

Biffer felt agrieved because he felt an Irish poster was taking offence at his reference to 'nuetral ground'. I explained why we're currently a bit sensitive about this and are pissed off at the bullshit narrative emanating from the English media - whether it exists on this forum or not is not exactly the point.

Okay, Biffer's post was misunderstood and the repeated references to "bleating" were from outwith this forum.

Eh, no. Biffer misunderstood the post he initially got in a tizzy about.

Whatever the case, you've put in a sterling effort in defence of all things Leinster and their fans, Leinster the Unassailable right enough.

I've been reminded over the last couple of days of part of the reason I took a break from here and it's something that is my own fault, I find it difficult to just walk away and leave comments alone, so I'll need to learn that, I just don't find it easy.

However, part of not leaving things alone is that I look for examples, so far I've looked at the rugby sections in the Telegraph, Times and Guardian for articles where there is this bleating in the UK media about the unfairness of it all and how Leinster benefit, it must be there but so far I can't find it.
Full disclosure, I only looked at the headlines in the articles in the last week to ten days, to save reading anything that didn't seem relevant to this, but it must be in there somewhere - this is a genuine request, no wind up or underhanded motivation, can you provided a link or two?