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Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:04 pm**

I sympathise with the argument that he went low and what else was he meant to do but that logic suggests the only outcome is that he flips. In which case you just cant do it. Sorry. He was lucky the player didn't land more awkwardly.

That said, I thought they might have argued it to yellow because he didn't land on his head or even upper back/neck.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:08 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:04 pm I sympathise with the argument that he went low and what else was he meant to do but that logic suggests the only outcome is that he flips. In which case you just cant do it. Sorry. He was lucky the player didn't land more awkwardly.

That said, I thought they might have argued it to yellow because he didn't land on his head or even upper back/neck.

Then what's the coaching point then. He goes upright and risks head contact, or steps out of the way of the tackle?

And I hadn't even noticed that he lands on his arse. I just don't see how that's serious foul play. I know I'm in a minority, but he just seemed to get a red because it looked spectacular.

Don't think it would have made a difference in the end though. It's another good Ireland team who deserved the GS.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:09 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:07 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:04 pm I sympathise with the argument that he went low and what else was he meant to do but that logic suggests the only outcome is that he flips. In which case you just cant do it. Sorry. He was lucky the player didn't land more awkwardly.

That said, I thought they might have argued it to yellow because he didn't land on his head or even upper back/neck.
That's what I thought the video dude was working him towards

Missed that. The rest of the officials seemed to agree with the ref.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:12 pm**

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:08 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:04 pm I sympathise with the argument that he went low and what else was he meant to do but that logic suggests the only outcome is that he flips. In which case you just cant do it. Sorry. He was lucky the player didn't land more awkwardly.

That said, I thought they might have argued it to yellow because he didn't land on his head or even upper back/neck.
Then what's the coaching point then. He goes upright and risks head contact, or steps out of the way of the tackle?

And I hadn't even noticed that he lands on his arse. I just don't see how that's serious foul play. I know I'm in a minority, but he just seemed to get a red because it looked spectacular.

Don't think it would have made a difference in the end though. It's another good Ireland team who deserved the GS.

I think a senior ref would have given yellow.

Coaching point? I mean it rarely happens so I guess he shouldn't have tried to tackle head on, planting his feet, and executed a tackle which allowed some defensive movement to absorb the momentum.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:13 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:02 pm They rubbed Chessum’s face in it twice in two minutes - does any 20 year old take that on the chin?

I think the results are doing that for themselves in regards Eng.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:36 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:12 pm
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:08 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:04 pm I sympathise with the argument that he went low and what else was he meant to do but that logic suggests the only outcome is that he flips. In which case you just cant do it. Sorry. He was lucky the player didn't land more awkwardly.

That said, I thought they might have argued it to yellow because he didn't land on his head or even upper back/neck.
Then what's the coaching point then. He goes upright and risks head contact, or steps out of the way of the tackle?

And I hadn't even noticed that he lands on his arse. I just don't see how that's serious foul play. I know I'm in a minority, but he just seemed to get a red because it looked spectacular.

Don't think it would have made a difference in the end though. It's another good Ireland team who deserved the GS.
I think a senior ref would have given yellow.

Coaching point? I mean it rarely happens so I guess he shouldn't have tried to tackle head on, planting his feet, and executed a tackle which allowed some defensive movement to absorb the momentum.

I just don't see how it's a red in the law book. Or even an offence.

It's not even one of those, 'it's unfortunate, but by the letter of the law...' jobs

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:37 pm**

The coaching points are obvious.

1) if you’re tackling someone going really fast head on, you can either aim a dominant tackle at or above their centre of balance (so roughly at their chest) or you can go lower and do a soak tackle, falling back with them. If you go hard at them below their centre of balance they’re going to flip.

2) if you fuck up and go in hard below their centre of balance, don’t stand up when they’re horizontal on your back! That’s what really sends the guy cartwheeling.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:40 pm**

Mahoney wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:37 pm The coaching points are obvious.

1) if you’re tackling someone going really fast head on, you can either aim a dominant tackle at or above their centre of balance (so roughly at their chest) or you can go lower and do a soak tackle, falling back with them. If you go hard at them below their centre of balance they’re going to flip.

2) if you fuck up and go in hard below their centre of balance, don’t stand up when they’re horizontal on your back! That’s what really sends the guy cartwheeling.

By which law is it a red though? Genuine question, as I'm struggling with this.

And I'm someone not crying about the Steward one yesterday.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:46 pm**

It’s definitely at least a yellow, he land with his shoulders below his hips. It’s pure luck that the flip is so severe it takes him past being upside down, it could really easily have been a head plant; I suspect that’s what makes the ref go red. Same landing but 100 degrees instead of 260 and perhaps he gets a yellow.

I’ve lost track of how they call these things now; in a sane world it would be how dangerous / reckless the player’s actions are (very, in this case), but the regs seem to be all about outcome, which I think is stupid but might mean it should have been a yellow.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:53 pm**

Mahoney wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:46 pm It’s definitely at least a yellow, he land with his shoulders below his hips. It’s pure luck that the flip is so severe it takes him past being upside down, it could really easily have been a head plant; I suspect that’s what makes the ref go red. Same landing but 100 degrees instead of 260 and perhaps he gets a yellow.

I’ve lost track of how they call these things now; in a sane world it would be how dangerous / reckless the player’s actions are (very, in this case), but the regs seem to be all about outcome, which I think is stupid but might mean it should have been a yellow.

This is one area that annoys me. Where the act itself was reckless/dangerous, it should not matter one iota whether the victim lands on his head or, fortuitously, on shoulders or whatever.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:57 pm**

Mahoney wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:46 pm It’s definitely at least a yellow, he land with his shoulders below his hips. It’s pure luck that the flip is so severe it takes him past being upside down, it could really easily have been a head plant; I suspect that’s what makes the ref go red. Same landing but 100 degrees instead of 260 and perhaps he gets a yellow.

I’ve lost track of how they call these things now; in a sane world it would be how dangerous / reckless the player’s actions are (very, in this case), but the regs seem to be all about outcome, which I think is stupid but might mean it should have been a yellow.

I just can't see a law in the law book showing what happened an offence though. It would have already been an unfortunate red, but he absolutely doesn't land on his head or upper body. It just didn't happen.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:57 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:13 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:02 pm They rubbed Chessum’s face in it twice in two minutes - does any 20 year old take that on the chin?
I think the results are doing that for themselves in regards Eng.

Which is why there’s no need to scream in his face, ruffle his hair etc

Not unique to Ireland in any way, my club Sarries are appalling for it. These lads though are probably the first generation of rugby players who have come through a system where they’ve never been punched in the face, and it shows

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:58 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:57 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:13 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:02 pm They rubbed Chessum’s face in it twice in two minutes - does any 20 year old take that on the chin?
I think the results are doing that for themselves in regards Eng.
Which is why there’s no need to scream in his face, ruffle his hair etc

Not unique to Ireland in any way, my club Sarries are appalling for it. These lads though are probably the first generation of rugby players who have come through a system where they’ve never been punched in the face, and it shows

Yeah. I'm with you on that.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:02 pm**

I thought he landed on his upper body. And there are generic laws about dangerous play, which that 100% was - if you flip someone through 260 degrees you’re not in any kind of control over whether he breaks his neck or not.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:03 pm**

A hooker jumping for a charge down was never going to end well.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:04 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:03 pm A hooker jumping for a charge down was never going to end well.

Yellow was a fair call

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:04 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:02 pm Richie wouldn't coach them that way. I can only imagine shot got real out there

It’s just rugby now, when it came up before I put in my theory that it’s replaced cheap shots as the way to niggle opponents in the modern game

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:04 pm**

Lucky boy. Hard to see how that is not another red.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:08 pm**

This game could get really ugly on the scoreboard.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:10 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:08 pm This game could get really ugly on the scoreboard.

I fear for the Wales players getting brutalised

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:12 pm**

This could be a records tumbling sort of score. France look like a fully pro well drilled side, Wales like kids

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:13 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:10 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:08 pm This game could get really ugly on the scoreboard.
I fear for the Wales players getting brutalised

It has that uncomfortable feel. A red card or two looked like Wales' best hope.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:13 pm**

Tuilagi is fecking huge

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:17 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:13 pm Tuilagi is fecking huge

He's ridiculous. He's been playing 8 for USAP and I've never seem him not blowing after 10 mins.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:19 pm**

This lad Nouchi is the complete package at lock.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:19 pm**

Don't like this French tactic of leading with the elbow.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:20 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:19 pm Don't like this French tactic of leading with the elbow.

A la mode Picamoles.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:23 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:20 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:19 pm Don't like this French tactic of leading with the elbow.
A la mode Picamoles.

It's going to see a few more injuries and HIAs

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:24 pm**

Not very slick and still a try.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:24 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:23 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:20 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:19 pm Don't like this French tactic of leading with the elbow.
A la mode Picamoles.
It's going to see a few more injuries and HIAs

And red cards.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:28 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:24 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:23 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:20 pm

A la mode Picamoles.
It's going to see a few more injuries and HIAs
And red cards.

Nah this ref will allow it. It's a blight on the game.

I suspect there will be a few more tries

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:32 pm**

That is some rugby in these conditions.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:40 pm**

That's a great try but France were offside and the pass to the 9 forward

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:41 pm**

Wow. Sco eat your heart out.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:45 pm**

Wales not only look like primary school kids, they play like them as well

Great try

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:47 pm**

If Fra had started the comp with some of these selections, it would be they taking the title now.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:54 pm**

Just watched the hooker taking out the Wales 15 again.
Yeah it should have been a red.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:54 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:45 pm Wales not only look like primary school kids, they play like them as well

Great try

The resource gap is of galactic proportions.

Some multinational facts
- Gailleton is only 19 and was born in England. He was the leading try scorer in T14 for a while.
- Gazzoti (the no8) is only 18 and is from an Italian family.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:54 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:54 pm Just watched the hooker taking out the Wales 15 again.
Yeah it should have been a red.

Defo.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:03 pm**

I been feeling quite relieved the 6N is over, I’ll has been exhausting. Fun but exhausting.

But just realised we are going to have to start speaking to the Saffers again now. FFS

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