So, coronavirus...

[Jockaline]

And so it begins, nothing guaranteed to make people not participate more than this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54586897

And they wonder why no one trusts them?

Another step closer to a police state...cunts the lot of them .

In two minds about this. It seems to me that there are a lot of people not isolating - I’ve said before that students in particular round here appear to be just going about their normal lives but with masks on - so how do we get compliance? But of course folk won’t use the app if they do this.

Students seem to be a real problem but we seem to be beating about the bush saying this

The blame isn't on the students though. In Oxford this weekend it was "matriculation" which is essentially a pub crawl with gowns on. The university offered a "virtual matriculation" but of course students wanted to go out and about with their new friends and parents wanted to picture their wee dears in robes in Oxford. You could do it virtually in a room on your own but you're missing out and nobody likes to miss out.

Who could have predicted students would party, try and squeeze the most of the restricted experience, mingle with anyone and everyone, try to enjoy being 18-21 away from home? Everyone. Who forced them to go to university? The government did to keep the real estate and education bubble afloat and not give universities money as they'd go bust without this farce of incubating and spreading covid in every major university city/town. They're all doing virtual lectures anyway. All this for the monies.

Agree, if I were in the hospitality sector I'd be livid. This was avoidable, it's up there with the care home fiasco.

[fishfoodie]

Its incredible looking at the statistics from the US; there's no 2nd wave there; they had the initial ramp up of deaths, & then in the early hit States there's a flattening, & then from the 4th of July, it's just a upward ramping of deaths, week after week.

There'll be 250k dead by Election day.

The richest nation on Earth; spending more per head on healthcare, than any other Nation, & this is the result that you get when you have useless cocksuckers in power.

[Hong Kong]

sigh. There’s dumb and then there’s orange shitgibbon crony dumb

[Bimbowomxn]

sigh. There’s dumb and then there’s orange shitgibbon crony dumb

It’s this type of open minded democratic thought that means the latest science on masks cannot currently be published.

Well done

[Sandstorm]

sigh. There’s dumb and then there’s orange shitgibbon crony dumb

It’s this type of open minded democratic thought that means the latest science on masks cannot currently be published.

Well done

Publish on Twitter.....

[Bimbowomxn]

sigh. There’s dumb and then there’s orange shitgibbon crony dumb

It’s this type of open minded democratic thought that means the latest science on masks cannot currently be published.

Well done

Publish on Twitter.....

They’re professional scientists......

No journal will publish it.

[Rinkals]

sigh. There’s dumb and then there’s orange shitgibbon crony dumb

It’s this type of open minded democratic thought that means the latest science on masks cannot currently be published.

Well done

Publish on Twitter.....

It does seem as though Bimbo is suggesting that Science should be subjected to approval on a democratic basis.

All those in favour of masks being ineffectual and counter-productive, say "aye".

Right, that's settled: masks are ineffectual and counter-productive.

Next item: climate change.

[Bimbowomxn]

It’s this type of open minded democratic thought that means the latest science on masks cannot currently be published.

Well done

Publish on Twitter.....

It does seem as though Bimbo is suggesting that Science should be subjected to approval on a democratic basis.

All those in favour of masks being ineffectual and counter-productive, say "aye".

Right, that's settled: masks are ineffectual and counter-productive.

Next item: climate change.

I’m suggesting nothing of the sort, I’m suggesting the Danish study is being avoided for political reasons.

[Slick]

In two minds about this. It seems to me that there are a lot of people not isolating - I’ve said before that students in particular round here appear to be just going about their normal lives but with masks on - so how do we get compliance? But of course folk won’t use the app if they do this.

Students seem to be a real problem but we seem to be beating about the bush saying this

The blame isn't on the students though. In Oxford this weekend it was "matriculation" which is essentially a pub crawl with gowns on. The university offered a "virtual matriculation" but of course students wanted to go out and about with their new friends and parents wanted to picture their wee dears in robes in Oxford. You could do it virtually in a room on your own but you're missing out and nobody likes to miss out.

Who could have predicted students would party, try and squeeze the most of the restricted experience, mingle with anyone and everyone, try to enjoy being 18-21 away from home? Everyone. Who forced them to go to university? The government did to keep the real estate and education bubble afloat and not give universities money as they'd go bust without this farce of incubating and spreading covid in every major university city/town. They're all doing virtual lectures anyway. All this for the monies.

Agree, if I were in the hospitality sector I'd be livid. This was avoidable, it's up there with the care home fiasco.

While some of that is undoubtably true, I can't blame the government completely, they have to balance this at every stage.

I'm definitely not saying I wouldn't have been doing the same, I probably would, but the students have to take some responsibily FFS. The choice was don't go at all (uproar uproar) or go and try not to be too much of a dick - they have demonstrably failed. Of course they are going to party, but party in your own areas, don't take it to pubs, don't go out to public places when you are infectious and walk around as if nothing is wrong. There was a balance and the students have taken the piss.

I'd also be furious if I was in the hospitality sector, because of the selfishness and idiocy we have a semi lockdown.

[Sandstorm]

I’m suggesting nothing of the sort, I’m suggesting the Danish study is being avoided for political reasons.

Of course it is! Clowns like you all over the Botnet will jump on the results of this single study and scream that mask wearing isn't necessary. And people out there will use it as just another excuse to go out and behave normally in a very abnormal year.

Wearing a mask down the shops is a part of a large effort to curb Covid and a very small imposition to people. Stop trying to a contrarian for a couple of days and toe the fcuking line. It won't actually rob you of any of your human rights.

[Sandstorm]

There was a balance and the students have taken the piss.

I'd also be furious if I was in the hospitality sector, because of the selfishness and idiocy we have a semi lockdown.

No, no Slick! There is no personal responsibility here, it's all 100% the fault of the Govt.

[Bimbowomxn]

I’m suggesting nothing of the sort, I’m suggesting the Danish study is being avoided for political reasons.

Of course it is! Clowns like you all over the Botnet will jump on the results of this single study and scream that mask wearing isn't necessary. And people out there will use it as just another excuse to go out and behave normally in a very abnormal year.

Wearing a mask down the shops is a part of a large effort to curb Covid and a very small imposition to people. Stop trying to a contrarian for a couple of days and toe the fcuking line. It won't actually rob you of any of your human rights.

How dare people “behave normally “.

It’s the latest study by serious scientists....

Wearing a mask to go shopping is to make the scared “feel” better.

[Slick]

I’m suggesting nothing of the sort, I’m suggesting the Danish study is being avoided for political reasons.

Of course it is! Clowns like you all over the Botnet will jump on the results of this single study and scream that mask wearing isn't necessary. And people out there will use it as just another excuse to go out and behave normally in a very abnormal year.

Wearing a mask down the shops is a part of a large effort to curb Covid and a very small imposition to people. Stop trying to a contrarian for a couple of days and toe the fcuking line. It won't actually rob you of any of your human rights.

How dare people “behave normally “.

It’s the latest study by serious scientists....

Wearing a mask to go shopping is to make the scared “feel” better.

That told him

[Rinkals]

Publish on Twitter.....

It does seem as though Bimbo is suggesting that Science should be subjected to approval on a democratic basis.

All those in favour of masks being ineffectual and counter-productive, say "aye".

Right, that's settled: masks are ineffectual and counter-productive.

Next item: climate change.

I’m suggesting nothing of the sort, I’m suggesting the Danish study is being avoided for political reasons.

" It’s this type of open minded democratic thought that means the latest science on masks cannot currently be published."

Let's have a vote on it.

[Tichtheid]

Nature article on face masks, it mentions a Danish studt that is yet to publish its findings

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

[TB63]

Wales going into full lockdown as of 6pm Friday for 2 weeks. Non essential businesses to close, no gatherings between any households..

Just had to cancel my November the 5th amputee, midget, lesbian jelly wrestling event..

[Slick]

Wales going into full lockdown as of 6pm Friday for 2 weeks. Non essential businesses to close, no gatherings between any households..

Just had to cancel my November the 5th amputee, midget, lesbian jelly wrestling event..

Should be good viewing figures for the Scotland game

[Sandstorm]

Wales going into full lockdown as of 6pm Friday for 2 weeks. Non essential businesses to close, no gatherings between any households..

Just had to cancel my November the 5th amputee, midget, lesbian jelly wrestling event..

Should be good viewing figures for the Scotland game

He just explained they've cancelled the Scotland game.

[TB63]

[Bimbowomxn]

Nature article on face masks, it mentions a Danish studt that is yet to publish its findings

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

The study that can't find a publisher...

[Rinkals]

Nature article on face masks, it mentions a Danish studt that is yet to publish its findings

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

The study that can't find a publisher...

Indeed.

No support for it from the public.

Democracy strikes again to defeat science!

[Slick]

Wales going into full lockdown as of 6pm Friday for 2 weeks. Non essential businesses to close, no gatherings between any households..

Just had to cancel my November the 5th amputee, midget, lesbian jelly wrestling event..

Should be good viewing figures for the Scotland game

He just explained they've cancelled the Scotland game.

Bravo!

[Tichtheid]

It's made clear in the article why neither of the two Danish research projects' findings have been published, one is about half way through and the other team isn't ready to publish.

I do wonder why anyone would be arguing against the use of masks though, even if the science was equivocal, and it seems to be stacking up in favour of wearing masks, surely the responsible course of action is to wear one?

The main points for discussion seem to be about the efficacy of some materials used for home-made masks - single layer ones in particular, so the discussion should really about how to get this information across.

[Bimbowomxn]

Nature article on face masks, it mentions a Danish studt that is yet to publish its findings

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

The study that can't find a publisher...

Indeed.

No support for it from the public.

Democracy strikes again to defeat science!

what? It’s a science study......

[Biffer]

It's made clear in the article why neither of the two Danish research projects' findings have been published, one is about half way through and the other team isn't ready to publish.

I do wonder why anyone would be arguing against the use of masks though, even if the science was equivocal, and it seems to be stacking up in favour of wearing masks, surely the responsible course of action is to wear one?

The main points for discussion seem to be about the efficacy of some materials used for home-made masks - single layer ones in particular, so the discussion should really about how to get this information across.

There are some people who don't understand scientific process, not too far from here. Some posters would like to see things published immediately, or before the study is finished.

[Bimbowomxn]

It's made clear in the article why neither of the two Danish research projects' findings have been published, one is about half way through and the other team isn't ready to publish.

I do wonder why anyone would be arguing against the use of masks though, even if the science was equivocal, and it seems to be stacking up in favour of wearing masks, surely the responsible course of action is to wear one?

The main points for discussion seem to be about the efficacy of some materials used for home-made masks - single layer ones in particular, so the discussion should really about how to get this information across.

So the Danish researchers that stated on Twitter they can’t find a publisher are a 3rd Danish study group?



They’re are of course many reasons that masks are a bad idea. None worth discussing with the believers.

[Tichtheid]

I'd like to read a paper on the proportion of overlap of anti vaxxers and anti maskers.

[Bimbowomxn]

I'd like to read a paper on the proportion of overlap of anti vaxxers and anti maskers.

That’d be right on point for comparison.

Mask wearing by the general public was deemed at best inefficient at worse bad for health until about May this year by most western medics and governments.

Vaccines not so much.

[Ali Cadoo]

Was it around May that these governments then decided to wise the fuck up? Do you plan on following suit at any point?

[Tichtheid]

29th of January 2020

World Health Organisation statement

General Advice
Wearing a medical mask is one of the prevention measures to limit spread of certain respiratory diseases, including 2019-nCoV, in affected areas. However, the use of a mask alone is insufficient to provide the adequate level of protection and other equally relevant measures should be adopted. If masks are to be used, this measure must be combined with hand hygiene and other IPC measures to prevent the human-tohuman transmission of 2019-nCov.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... 9-ncov.pdf

[Tichtheid]

There was a good post a few pages ago using a Swiss cheese slice analogy, masks are one layer of protection, used along with social distancing, lock downs, hand hygiene etc, together they provide the best protection we can come up with at this time

[Bimbowomxn]

There was a good post a few pages ago using a Swiss cheese slice analogy, masks are one layer of protection, used along with social distancing, lock downs, hand hygiene etc, together they provide the best protection we can come up with at this time

Masks can make those other slices weaker.

Why is everyone so convinced?

[Bimbowomxn]

Was it around May that these governments then decided to wise the fuck up? Do you plan on following suit at any point?

I’m going to wait for the actual science....


I wear a mask though so people like you “feel” better.

[Tichtheid]

There was a good post a few pages ago using a Swiss cheese slice analogy, masks are one layer of protection, used along with social distancing, lock downs, hand hygiene etc, together they provide the best protection we can come up with at this time

Masks can make those other slices weaker.

Why is everyone so convinced?

I can only speak for myself, I'm going by the best available advice at this time, from reading articles in publications such as Nature, BMJ, Scientific American, the evidence is stacking up heavily on one side.

[Tichtheid]

Also, I don't see any logic in a conspiracy to get people to wear face masks when there is no need.

Why would they do that?

[Slick]

Also, I don't see any logic in a conspiracy to get people to wear face masks when there is no need.

Why would they do that?

Yes, this was my question.

[Slick]

Was it around May that these governments then decided to wise the fuck up? Do you plan on following suit at any point?

I’m going to wait for the actual science....


I wear a mask though so people like you “feel” better.

Why don't you have the courage of your convictions and not wear it?

[Bimbowomxn]

Was it around May that these governments then decided to wise the fuck up? Do you plan on following suit at any point?

I’m going to wait for the actual science....


I wear a mask though so people like you “feel” better.

Why don't you have the courage of your convictions and not wear it?

My conviction is lower than Sandys fear.

[Hong Kong]

[Ovals]

I'd like to read a paper on the proportion of overlap of anti vaxxers and anti maskers.

Throw in climate change deniers, and evolution deniers as well.

They're basically all 'Flat Earthers'.