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dpedin wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:58 am

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:52 am

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:50 am Thank fuck Trump is such a moron.

If he wasn't completely brain dead he might have actually done some damage.

Ummm...is this a troll or have you mis-read the situation again?

Irony?

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:12 am
As for competent staffers and such... most of those are long gone aren't they? The ones still hanging around know who and what they're dealing with and either don't care so long as they've got a job or are still telling themselves lies about it being necessary to support the office.

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:14 am
Perhaps not. Bad as things look now, they really could be orders of magnitude worse.

Ymx wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:31 am

stemoc wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:50 am well most were fat Americans who died of heart attack possibly.. one was shot dead, she would still be alive today had she been at home in the kitchen as her lord and saviour Lord Shitgibbon had proclaimed..

Christ, I’d hate to hear what you thought of George Floyds death, if the above disdain is anything to go by.

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:20 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:14 am
Perhaps not. Bad as things look now, they really could be orders of magnitude worse.

Fair point. If the DC Police had had much higher numbers in place, there could have been a proper clash on the stairs and 150 dead MAGA hat wearers.

1 dead woman, several dented cops , a fat bloke sitting in Nancy's office chair and someone carrying a lectern down the corridor was pretty tame in comparison.

stemoc wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:23 am

Ymx wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:31 am

stemoc wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:50 am well most were fat Americans who died of heart attack possibly.. one was shot dead, she would still be alive today had she been at home in the kitchen as her lord and saviour Lord Shitgibbon had proclaimed..

Christ, I’d hate to hear what you thought of George Floyds death, if the above disdain is anything to go by.

FLOYD DIED on the street, murdered by Police, this lady got shot trying to trying to take over capitol hill which the Constitution of the US defines as Terrorism... watch the video of her shooting,s she was warned not to enter but she did..

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:14 am

dpedin wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:58 am

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:52 am

Ummm...is this a troll or have you mis-read the situation again?

Irony?

Perhaps not. Bad as things look now, they really could be orders of magnitude worse.

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:27 am

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:20 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:14 am
Perhaps not. Bad as things look now, they really could be orders of magnitude worse.

Fair point. If the DC Police had had much higher numbers in place, there could have been a proper clash on the stairs and 150 dead MAGA hat wearers.

1 dead woman, several dented cops , a fat bloke sitting in Nancy's office chair and someone carrying a lectern down the corridor was pretty tame in comparison.

4 dead, although we only seem to have details about that one braindead woman who thought breaking into the chamber was a good idea.

Oh yes, this particular incident could be so much worse, but I'm thinking even more broadly. A leader with a Trumpian authoritarian bent, but far more competent, could have been a president who won the election, didn't lose the senate and have America even further down the road to a true fascist dictatorship.

Similarly we could be looking at insurrection and domestic terrorism across the country rather than one riot in DC. Still time I suppose...

There must be a certain amount of trepidation about impeaching or enacting article 25, because the last thing anyone wants will be to stir up more of the cultists and risk the above, but then that means they've won. Their threats and attempts at intimidation would be preventing officials from actually doing their fucking jobs.

stemoc wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:16 pm This ppl should either resign or be forced out.

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GogLais wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:16 pm Many things astonished me yesterday. One of them was the lack of physical security in the Capitol building. Surely they must have addressed the possibility of terrorist attack before now, at least after 9/11. The idea that doors and windows deliberately weren’t secured doesn’t bear thinking about.

GogLais wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:16 pm Many things astonished me yesterday. One of them was the lack of physical security in the Capitol building. Surely they must have addressed the possibility of terrorist attack before now, at least after 9/11. The idea that doors and windows deliberately weren’t secured doesn’t bear thinking about.

The Washington Post have an interesting look this morning at the security implications of yesterday’s events, when a pro-Trump mob easily broke into the Capitol. They report Kim Dine, chief of the Capitol Police from 2012 to 2016 saying “It’s like watching a real-life horror movie. I mean, we train and plan and budget every day, basically, to have this not happen.”

Dine said he was surprised to see that, on Wednesday, the Capitol Police had allowed rioters to gather so close to the building, on the Capitol steps — and that, once they forced their way inside, the rioters were not immediately arrested.

“We protect the people, the place and the process that makes us the United States. That’s why we’re there,” Dine said. But, he said, on Wednesday, “The people, the place, the process — all were attacked.”

One source told the Washington Post that the police were simply unprepared.

Law enforcement officials said the Capitol Police and other federal agencies also seemed to underestimate the potential threat posed by Trump’s supporters — even as the DC police grew more alarmed. DC police patrol the streets around the Capitol but do not usually have any role in protecting the building itself. In recent days, DC officials said, they had tracked reservations for incoming buses, and read Trump’s calls for supporters to gather for a “wild” protest in Washington. “It was then that we realized this could be a stadium-sized crowd — a full-fledged Trump rally, and much bigger than anything we had seen previously,” said a senior District official.

Former commissioner of police in Boston, Ed Davis, told the Post as he watched events unfold that the force’s preparations around the perimeter were inadequate:

A good perimeter, and then a show of force. Enough people that can deal with the crowd that’s coming at you. Right now, there’s almost nothing here. This is incomprehensible.

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:52 am

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:50 am Thank fuck Trump is such a moron.

If he wasn't completely brain dead he might have actually done some damage.

Ummm...is this a troll or have you mis-read the situation again?

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:49 pm This made me laugh:

On the cops being unprepared - this has to be deliberate. The conservative groups have been talking ever since the election about Jan 6th. Never forget that a huge percentage of LEOs are Trump supporters.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:49 pm This made me laugh:

On the cops being unprepared - this has to be deliberate. The conservative groups have been talking ever since the election about Jan 6th. Never forget that a huge percentage of LEOs are Trump supporters.

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:01 pm

"Sorry Don, it's out of your hands now.

"You poked the bear."

Not sure if that is serious or not: it could be a parody.

Difficult to tell these days.

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:29 pm Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

Raggs wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:31 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:29 pm Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

Split in two, or split into many states?

GogLais wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:02 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:31 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:29 pm Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

Split in two, or split into many states?

The Governor (?) of Texas made a comment on those lines a few weeks ago. Would they have a plebiscite in each state to decide which nation to join? That would be entertaining. Like the partition of India but with more guns.

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:07 pm

GogLais wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:02 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:31 pm

Split in two, or split into many states?

The Governor (?) of Texas made a comment on those lines a few weeks ago. Would they have a plebiscite in each state to decide which nation to join? That would be entertaining. Like the partition of India but with more guns.

Like Scotland breaking out of the Union, but with economics that are a hundred times worse.

sturginho wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:00 pm ahead of the curve as usual is our Jacob

Insane_Homer wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:13 pm