European cup w/c 15th April thread

[Hal Jordan]

No wrap, head contact, knocked the player out.

Is he off for an HIA, because if not the medics want shooting.

[Torquemada 1420]

No wrap, head contact, knocked the player out.

Is he off for an HIA, because if not the medics want shooting.

Won't be back. Gibert is on.

Unlike the Jelonch incident yesterday where Toulouse keep their record up of head injury players staying on the field.

[ASMO]

The Stade 11 is really good, very Kolbe like

[Torquemada 1420]

Lapegue is lightning

[ASMO]

Why the fuck did he kick that, 3 man overlap, that is criminal

[Torquemada 1420]

Oh my Gibert. Why?

[Kawazaki]

The Stade 11 is really good, very Kolbe like

Do you reckon his nickname is 'Jake'?

[sockwithaticket]

Going to need to buy a couple of rounds to say sorry for that kick. Even if executed better it was unncessary.

[Lobby]

He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

[Torquemada 1420]

Going to need to buy a couple of rounds to say sorry for that kick. Even if executed better it was unncessary.

It was even worse because he is a FH.

[ASMO]

Healey talking bollocks again

[Kawazaki]

Healey talking bollocks again

He's talking like an ex-player.

[Hal Jordan]

What on earth was that jump about? Ground the bloody thing!

[ASMO]

Racing should pull away now

[Kawazaki]

WTF? He gets penalised, they review and see he was tripped but the penalty against him still stands even though it wasn't his fault?

[Hal Jordan]

Racing should pull away now

Or not, given that butchery off the scrum down the blindside.

[Torquemada 1420]

Broken record time.......... but Fre sides' game "management" v 14 (or fewer)

[OomStruisbaai]

Lots of kicking.

[Torquemada 1420]

Lots of kicking.

Which is fine if you are down to 14 (Paris) but is garbage by Racing.

[Torquemada 1420]

More dim by Racing

[Torquemada 1420]

Plastic hard man Maestri still up to his cheap tricks.

[Torquemada 1420]

Kayser plays politics. Serin the Snail is sh*te and Couilloud blew his chances with a dire tour of Aus.

[Torquemada 1420]

Baubigny's throwing as bad as Chat's

[Torquemada 1420]

Baubigny's throwing as bad as Chat's

Repeat

[Torquemada 1420]

Sale will be fancying their chances.

[Hal Jordan]

Absolute cripple fight, this second half.

[Torquemada 1420]

Absolute cripple fight, this second half.

15 v 14 always brings the worst out in Fre sides.

[ASMO]

Sale will be fancying their chances.

Sale are a step below both these sides.

[Torquemada 1420]

Funny that when you raise the tempo v 14, space appears eh?

[sockwithaticket]

Only Austin thinks Leinster - Leicester is difficult to call. The former are definite favourites.

[KingBlairhorn]

He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

[sockwithaticket]

He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

I was praising his clarity of communication and how he explains his process, not necessarily his outcomes (although those are generally correct). Some of the refs are really convoluted or contradict themselves and their final decision can be at odds with what they were saying (Dickson is especially bad for this).

That one should have been a red imo, but, this season in particular, I've seen a lot of yellows for offences I would have considered nailed on reds, so *gallic shrug*

[KingBlairhorn]

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

I was praising his clarity of communication and how he explains his process, not necessarily his outcomes (although those are generally correct). Some of the refs are really convoluted or contradict themselves and their final decision can be at odds with what they were saying (Dickson is especially bad for this).

That one should have been a red imo, but, this season in particular, I've seen a lot of yellows for offences I would have considered nailed on reds, so *gallic shrug*

I can’t agree with that at all. His communication cannot be praised where he does not communicate with his team about what actually happened. He may as well have talked about the weather for all the relevance his communication had to the event he was supposed to be adjudicating. If he had described the incident accurately and then explained his logic for reaching his (erroneous) decision then I could agree, but he did nothing of the sort. In a weekend in which there were many complaints once again about refereeing decisions, for me that was easily the biggest stinker of the lot, and much of it was down to terrible communication between that referee and his team.

[TheFrog]

No wrap, head contact, knocked the player out.

Don't understand how pro players can still do this. This is proefsional foul level, entitling the club to terminate your employment.

[Torquemada 1420]

He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

A couple of things
- a lot of commentary on the game that it should not have been a card at all. I disagree, but shows it was not as b/w as you think.
- errr...... he was sent off. Albeit as a 2nd yellow.

[KingBlairhorn]

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

A couple of things
- a lot of commentary on the game that it should not have been a card at all. I disagree, but shows it was not as b/w as you think.
- errr...... he was sent off. Albeit as a 2nd yellow.

It's exceptionally straightforward if the protocol is used:
Was there head contact? Yes
Was there foul play (i.e. was a player at fault)? Yes
What was the degree of danger? High
Result: Red Card.

There is no other conclusion that can possibly be reached unless a) you think it wasn't Naivalu's fault or you think the degree of danger was low (despite the clear KO). That the commentators don't know the laws nor the protocol is poor but not a reason to think it wasn't a red.

My whole issue with the decision is that he gave a yellow - that it was the second yellow and led to a red is also irrelevent. Presumably the ref felt that had it been his first offence a sin bin was an appropriate sanction.

[Torquemada 1420]

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

A couple of things
- a lot of commentary on the game that it should not have been a card at all. I disagree, but shows it was not as b/w as you think.
- errr...... he was sent off. Albeit as a 2nd yellow.

It's exceptionally straightforward if the protocol is used:
Was there head contact? Yes
Was there foul play (i.e. was a player at fault)? Yes
What was the degree of danger? High
Result: Red Card.

There is no other conclusion that can possibly be reached unless a) you think it wasn't Naivalu's fault or you think the degree of danger was low (despite the clear KO). That the commentators don't know the laws nor the protocol is poor but not a reason to think it wasn't a red.

My whole issue with the decision is that he gave a yellow - that it was the second yellow and led to a red is also irrelevent. Presumably the ref felt that had it been his first offence a sin bin was an appropriate sanction.

We may be arguing the same point. It was red for me but I see where you are coming from i.e. if Naivalu had not been yellowed, would the ref have given red?

[Kawazaki]

It's exceptionally straightforward if the protocol is used:
Was there head contact? Yes
Was there foul play (i.e. was a player at fault)? Yes
What was the degree of danger? High
Result: Red Card.

There is no other conclusion that can possibly be reached unless a) you think it wasn't Naivalu's fault or you think the degree of danger was low (despite the clear KO). That the commentators don't know the laws nor the protocol is poor but not a reason to think it wasn't a red.

My whole issue with the decision is that he gave a yellow - that it was the second yellow and led to a red is also irrelevent. Presumably the ref felt that had it been his first offence a sin bin was an appropriate sanction.

Was the tackler bent at the hip? Yes
Did the tackler attempt to wrap? Yes