NPR

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:19 pm No wrap, head contact, knocked the player out.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:20 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:19 pm No wrap, head contact, knocked the player out.

Is he off for an HIA, because if not the medics want shooting.

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:23 pm The Stade 11 is really good, very Kolbe like

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:20 pm He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pm Going to need to buy a couple of rounds to say sorry for that kick. Even if executed better it was unncessary.

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:35 pm Healey talking bollocks again

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:47 pm Racing should pull away now

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:55 pm Lots of kicking.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:07 pm Baubigny's throwing as bad as Chat's

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:20 pm Absolute cripple fight, this second half.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:17 pm Sale will be fancying their chances.

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:20 pm He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:20 pm He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:57 pm

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pm

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

I was praising his clarity of communication and how he explains his process, not necessarily his outcomes (although those are generally correct). Some of the refs are really convoluted or contradict themselves and their final decision can be at odds with what they were saying (Dickson is especially bad for this).

That one should have been a red imo, but, this season in particular, I've seen a lot of yellows for offences I would have considered nailed on reds, so *gallic shrug*

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:19 pm No wrap, head contact, knocked the player out.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:20 pm He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 am

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pm

Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

A couple of things
- a lot of commentary on the game that it should not have been a card at all. I disagree, but shows it was not as b/w as you think.
- errr...... he was sent off. Albeit as a 2nd yellow.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:46 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 am

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pm

Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.

A couple of things
- a lot of commentary on the game that it should not have been a card at all. I disagree, but shows it was not as b/w as you think.
- errr...... he was sent off. Albeit as a 2nd yellow.

It's exceptionally straightforward if the protocol is used:
Was there head contact? Yes
Was there foul play (i.e. was a player at fault)? Yes
What was the degree of danger? High
Result: Red Card.

There is no other conclusion that can possibly be reached unless a) you think it wasn't Naivalu's fault or you think the degree of danger was low (despite the clear KO). That the commentators don't know the laws nor the protocol is poor but not a reason to think it wasn't a red.

My whole issue with the decision is that he gave a yellow - that it was the second yellow and led to a red is also irrelevent. Presumably the ref felt that had it been his first offence a sin bin was an appropriate sanction.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:46 pm
It's exceptionally straightforward if the protocol is used:
Was there head contact? Yes
Was there foul play (i.e. was a player at fault)? Yes
What was the degree of danger? High
Result: Red Card.

There is no other conclusion that can possibly be reached unless a) you think it wasn't Naivalu's fault or you think the degree of danger was low (despite the clear KO). That the commentators don't know the laws nor the protocol is poor but not a reason to think it wasn't a red.

My whole issue with the decision is that he gave a yellow - that it was the second yellow and led to a red is also irrelevent. Presumably the ref felt that had it been his first offence a sin bin was an appropriate sanction.