Ukraine gave Hamas drones. ? Your knickers are showing again Dave
Nope, I'm saying the munitions that the drones carried probably came from the Ukraine conflict.
You said Ukraine initially not Ukraine conflict which is very different. Of the two parties in that conflict one is far, far more corrupt (not that there isn't corruption in Ukraine).
Are you people that twisted? You though I said Ukraine was supplying Hamas with munitions? Talking about acting in bad faith.
Also, Ukraine didn't become less corrupt because Russia invaded, it's one of the most corrupt places in the world.
Finally; Soldiers are equally corrupt, no matter to what army the belong.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:22 pm
by Line6 HXFX
So 50% of the population of Palestine are children...who were described today as human animals to which, Israel would react accordingly.
These children have no where to go
95% of the people who have died, in the conflict over the last 15 years are Palestinians.
95%
If Israelies had any decency they would just leave.
They would see what their presence is doing, in the area, and ask the US for a state in the Rustbelt..., o.k. they will still try to build settlements in other states and damn all the water, and steal orange groves and all the fertile land..and get nukes, and start blockading the state next door, and do low level intimidation flights, and paint a bunch of bulldovers in camo green, and knock down fences and steal some more land, and then scream anti semitism if anyone complains..but still...they won't be any worse than the Maga crowd.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:23 pm
by TB63
Well. There you have it, this conflict was caused by...
Wait for it.....
Biden......
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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3h
CROOKED JOE BIDEN MUST TAKE BACK AND FREEZE THE 6 BILLION DOLLARS RIGHT NOW, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. HOW COULD ANYONE BE SO INCOMPETENT AND STUPID? BIDEN CAUSED THIS WAR, AND IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE!!!
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:34 pm
by Sandstorm
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:22 pm
If Israelies had any decency they would just leave.
And go where? Stradey Park hotel?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:41 pm
by David in Gwent
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:22 pm
So 50% of the population of Palestine are children...who were described today as human animals to which, Israel would react accordingly.
These children have no where to go
95% of the people who have died, in the conflict over the last 15 years are Palestinians.
95%
If Israelies had any decency they would just leave.
They would see what their presence is doing, in the area, and ask the US for a state in the Rustbelt..., o.k. they will still try to build settlements in other states and damn all the water, and steal orange groves and all the fertile land..and get nukes, and start blockading the state next door, and do low level intimidation flights, and paint a bunch of bulldovers in camo green, and knock down fences and steal some more land, and then scream anti semitism if anyone complains..but still...they won't be any worse than the Maga crowd.
Why can't the children go to the Arab countries that support them? Why can't they be evacuated via the Egyptian border crossing with Gaza - why are the Arabs not helping?
Big D wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:54 pm
Looks like Hezbollah attacking from the North now too.
Say it ain't so
Yeah wasn't a surprise was it.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:03 pm
by Raggs
Big D wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:54 pm
Looks like Hezbollah attacking from the North now too.
Apparently they're wanting to make it clear that it's not all them. Happy to poke the bear a little but not too much.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:12 pm
by David in Gwent
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:56 pm
Refry is taking the piss but facts are an ever increasing number of people internationally have been seduced by left wing nd mulsim writers and philsophers who would see the end of Israel. It makes me uncomfortable personally as I read many of them for years and couldn't see how pernicious their 'just saying' views were. I will say I see a normally silent centre being quite vocal on this in Ireland. That pleases me
WATCH - Republican group Lasair Dhearg broadcasts the message 'smash the Zionists!' onto Belfast City Hall
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:16 pm
by Raggs
Bit of a folk hero has arisen. A Moroccan descendent Jewish grandmother (70 or so I believe). That sort of person its famous for being feeders, I've got one in my family and it's always a joy to eat her food, except for the stomach pains after.
Rachel apparently convinced the Hamas soldiers to enjoy some coffee and cookies, distracting them whilst swat moved into position to take them out.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:19 pm
by David in Gwent
Honest to god what I don't understand about the Left/Far Left is that their views on life are just not shared by the people the purport to support in the Palestine v Israel conflict.
They are being used as much as Hamas uses the Palestinians to provide them with canon fodder.
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:56 pm
Refry is taking the piss but facts are an ever increasing number of people internationally have been seduced by left wing nd mulsim writers and philsophers who would see the end of Israel. It makes me uncomfortable personally as I read many of them for years and couldn't see how pernicious their 'just saying' views were. I will say I see a normally silent centre being quite vocal on this in Ireland. That pleases me
WATCH - Republican group Lasair Dhearg broadcasts the message 'smash the Zionists!' onto Belfast City Hall
Most Catholic nordies support Palestine like they do Celtic and most Prods Israel like they do Rangers. They just post shit they hear off their mates and are quite clueless. You see it on Irish comments pages where they post the same links to 'Israel soldiers raped women in 1948' and '589 babies die in Gaza every day'. It's bullshit but has unfortunately infected mainstream politics here. Our apparently centre right leader has spent the week warning Israel not to escalate. You couldn't make it up to be honest
It's completely hatstand. You see the same type of behaviour here and people just don't seem to be able to help themselves.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:06 pm
by Line6 HXFX
Hey, sammyshark...look it's a failed 70 odd year experiment, Israelies tried to make it work, I am sure..it seems mainly by murdering their neighbours, occupying and stealing their land, imprisoning all of Palestine for 16 years...provocation, intimidation, shooting children throwing rocks and suchlike..., I am sure they even tried a peace process too, for "effect"... but time to call it quits.
Missouri awaits.
Hey Jews like to play cowboy, I saw city slickers and Billy Crystal was having a great time on the horse..before Jack Palance showed up.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:20 pm
by Line6 HXFX
Hey just offering solutions that don't involve murdering 100s of thousands of people.
Giving up and moving to rust belt America, and forming an israelie settlement there is one of them, and has been touted many times, and is a perfectly reasonable solution.
Most Catholic nordies support Palestine like they do Celtic and most Prods Israel like they do Rangers. They just post shit they hear off their mates and are quite clueless. You see it on Irish comments pages where they post the same links to 'Israel soldiers raped women in 1948' and '589 babies die in Gaza every day'. It's bullshit but has unfortunately infected mainstream politics here. Our apparently centre right leader has spent the week warning Israel not to escalate. You couldn't make it up to be honest
It's completely hatstand. You see the same type of behaviour here and people just don't seem to be able to help themselves.
From who ?
I've not seen posters supporting HAMAS or defending their butchery.
Most Catholic nordies support Palestine like they do Celtic and most Prods Israel like they do Rangers. They just post shit they hear off their mates and are quite clueless. You see it on Irish comments pages where they post the same links to 'Israel soldiers raped women in 1948' and '589 babies die in Gaza every day'. It's bullshit but has unfortunately infected mainstream politics here. Our apparently centre right leader has spent the week warning Israel not to escalate. You couldn't make it up to be honest
It's completely hatstand. You see the same type of behaviour here and people just don't seem to be able to help themselves.
From who ?
I've not seen posters supporting HAMAS or defending their butchery.
No, I haven't either but again, you can't help yourself.
You're willing to still stand up and say "Free Palestine" whilst choosing to ignore a load of factors and that's not including any of the progressive values I suspect you to hold.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:45 pm
by David in Gwent
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:20 pm
Hey just offering solutions that don't involve murdering 100s of thousands of people.
Giving up and moving to rust belt America, and forming an israelie settlement there is one of them, and has been touted many times, and is a perfectly reasonable solution.
I see you edited your demeaning post; however, it was one of my favourite bits of the movie "The man ate bacon at every meal... you... you can't do that!"
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:48 pm
by David in Gwent
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:45 pm
An army mate made an interesting point yesterday that I am not sure has been echoed elsewhere. Israel was already heading for a massive internal showdown between left and right on the judicial appointments. You were looking at real and lasting unrest and a weakening of societal bonds and then all of a sudden Hamas. Good job Hamas. Real clever
My only evidence is twitter and that obviously can't be fully trusted but I've been reading and watching that Ireland is going through a period of Cultural Enrichment, is that true or not?
I don't think it's a coincidence but societal bonds are breaking down everywhere in the West, I mean, just look at Sweden, it's incredible.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:54 pm
by Line6 HXFX
As far as I am concerned, I have now put the world to rights. Solved the Israeli situation. They should leave and go to Missouri, the US will happily give them a State.and save themselves hundreds upon hundreds of billions in supplying Israelies with arms and what not.
When the rapture comes a few can stay to fullfill whatever prophecy to keep the US Evangelical lot happy, the rest can live and love happily and peacefully, under the stars..surrounded by the rumblin tumblin weeds.
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:45 pm
An army mate made an interesting point yesterday that I am not sure has been echoed elsewhere. Israel was already heading for a massive internal showdown between left and right on the judicial appointments. You were looking at real and lasting unrest and a weakening of societal bonds and then all of a sudden Hamas. Good job Hamas. Real clever
My only evidence is twitter and that obviously can't be fully trusted but I've been reading and watching that Ireland is going through a period of Cultural Enrichment, is that true or not?
I don't think it's a coincidence but societal bonds are breaking down everywhere in the West, I mean, just look at Sweden, it's incredible.
It's bollox. We have a few Ukranians fleeing war. They are virtually invisible but some bad actors are trying to leverage it to make a point about immigration and housing. Mostly shinners who purport to be left wing but many are actually right wing nationalists hiding in plain sight in Sinn Fein. Other immigration is at normal levels for everywhere though you get the bullshit stories about 150 muslim single men moving into a hotel in the countryside. Most of our immigrants work unlike many of our working class who are generationally unemployed yet most put out by the presence of the Indians and black lads. We have had some halfarsed efforts at BLM movements but we just don't have enough of anybody for it to catch on. I think the far right in Ireland wishes we had a bigger problem than we do. That's not to say it couldn't ignite. I never in a million years thought the Shinners could be a viable political party and they will probably form the next goverment so things move quickly
It's mad to think that Ireland would even have a far right though. There's a few videos flying about of local lads getting pelters from non-local lads and vice versa but no context to the videos.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:11 pm
by David in Gwent
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:03 pm
The far right is miniscule. Miniscule. Tilting at windmills stuff
Indeed, however, it's obvious to me that your politicians, of every colour, are as crap and as self serving as ours - and to make matters worse there is no way that's going to change any time soon.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:19 pm
by David in Gwent
@C69
The hatred that's been poured into these kids is just staggering.
The hatred that's been poured into these kids is just staggering.
Look I know what propaganda goes on on both sides.
We could have a historical YOUTUBE off but I don't support either side.
Israel bombing hospitals today and Regev justifying it is appalling as appalling as the Hamas murderers.
Regev deserves a special place in Hell with those Hamas cnuts that sanctioned the murders of women and children.
The hatred that's been poured into these kids is just staggering.
Look I know what propaganda goes on on both sides.
We could have a historical YOUTUBE off but I don't support either side.
Israel bombing hospitals today and Regev justifying it is appalling as appalling as the Hamas murderers.
Regev deserves a special place in Hell with those Hamas cnuts that sanctioned the murders of women and children.
You said you supported Palestine?
OK, but I'm fairly positive you wont see this kind of brainwashing in Israeli schools about Palestinians.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:44 pm
by Hugo
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:16 pm. Look we are far apart on many issues but the hard left like Lulu in Brazil must be fucking sick. Loads of dead Latin Americans and all at the hands of some mad rapey baby killers. He and others on the hard left spent years building these innocents in Palestine up when anyone with Google knew they hated Jews, gays, women doing stuff independently. Nornal Western values. We all knew that but for some reason, and will always be a mystery to me, the hard left decided 'fuck it. Free Palestine'. Irela d associated Palestinians with the North though not many are suggesting driving Sammy Wilson into the sea. Pushing him down the stairs maybe but no water based activities.
Isn't it a bit rich to be talking about western values when Europeans killed Jews in pogroms across an entire millenia culminating in the Holocaust? At various times Jews were actually expelled from countries on the continent.
It's just a bit nauseating hearing westerners and Europeans speaking from some assumed position of moral superiority when its own history of anti semitism is so well documented.
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:16 pm. Look we are far apart on many issues but the hard left like Lulu in Brazil must be fucking sick. Loads of dead Latin Americans and all at the hands of some mad rapey baby killers. He and others on the hard left spent years building these innocents in Palestine up when anyone with Google knew they hated Jews, gays, women doing stuff independently. Nornal Western values. We all knew that but for some reason, and will always be a mystery to me, the hard left decided 'fuck it. Free Palestine'. Irela d associated Palestinians with the North though not many are suggesting driving Sammy Wilson into the sea. Pushing him down the stairs maybe but no water based activities.
Isn't it a bit rich to be talking about western values when Europeans killed Jews in pogroms across an entire millenia culminating in the Holocaust? At various times Jews were actually expelled from countries on the continent.
It's just a bit nauseating hearing westerners and Europeans speaking from some assumed position of moral superiority when its own history of anti semitism is so well documented.
That’s such a stupid strawman.
Do you judge the German people of today, like they are all nazis?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:54 pm
by Line6 HXFX
So how's this new gaff working out Hugo?
Views nice?
How are the neighbours?
The hatred that's been poured into these kids is just staggering.
Look I know what propaganda goes on on both sides.
We could have a historical YOUTUBE off but I don't support either side.
Israel bombing hospitals today and Regev justifying it is appalling as appalling as the Hamas murderers.
Regev deserves a special place in Hell with those Hamas cnuts that sanctioned the murders of women and children.
You said you supported Palestine?
OK, but I'm fairly positive you wont see this kind of brainwashing in Israeli schools about Palestinians.
I support neither HAMAS nor Yetenyahu's government or the IDF.
I find left wing support of HAMAS or Hezbollah intellectually and morally bankrupt.
Religion is the Opium of the masses and Hamas and Hezbollah peddle that dope in spades.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:05 pm
by sefton
I see this thread hasn’t lost a sense of nuance when considering a complex issue.
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:16 pm. Look we are far apart on many issues but the hard left like Lulu in Brazil must be fucking sick. Loads of dead Latin Americans and all at the hands of some mad rapey baby killers. He and others on the hard left spent years building these innocents in Palestine up when anyone with Google knew they hated Jews, gays, women doing stuff independently. Nornal Western values. We all knew that but for some reason, and will always be a mystery to me, the hard left decided 'fuck it. Free Palestine'. Irela d associated Palestinians with the North though not many are suggesting driving Sammy Wilson into the sea. Pushing him down the stairs maybe but no water based activities.
Isn't it a bit rich to be talking about western values when Europeans killed Jews in pogroms across an entire millenia culminating in the Holocaust? At various times Jews were actually expelled from countries on the continent.
It's just a bit nauseating hearing westerners and Europeans speaking from some assumed position of moral superiority when its own history of anti semitism is so well documented.
I think it's good to talk.
Apart from the massacres in 1190 in York and and London, most in part contributed too by the religious fervour of the Crusades the UK has generally been a welcoming place for Jews with over approximately 200,000 arriving and settling during the 19th century.
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:16 pm. Look we are far apart on many issues but the hard left like Lulu in Brazil must be fucking sick. Loads of dead Latin Americans and all at the hands of some mad rapey baby killers. He and others on the hard left spent years building these innocents in Palestine up when anyone with Google knew they hated Jews, gays, women doing stuff independently. Nornal Western values. We all knew that but for some reason, and will always be a mystery to me, the hard left decided 'fuck it. Free Palestine'. Irela d associated Palestinians with the North though not many are suggesting driving Sammy Wilson into the sea. Pushing him down the stairs maybe but no water based activities.
Isn't it a bit rich to be talking about western values when Europeans killed Jews in pogroms across an entire millenia culminating in the Holocaust? At various times Jews were actually expelled from countries on the continent.
It's just a bit nauseating hearing westerners and Europeans speaking from some assumed position of moral superiority when its own history of anti semitism is so well documented.
That’s such a stupid strawman.
Do you judge the German people of today, like they are all nazis?
It wasn't just Nazis who killed Jews, they were killed throughout Europe over many centuries. Banished from Spain, France and England at various times.
It's the smug, self congratulatory nature of thinking that the west has superior values that grates.
Look I know what propaganda goes on on both sides.
We could have a historical YOUTUBE off but I don't support either side.
Israel bombing hospitals today and Regev justifying it is appalling as appalling as the Hamas murderers.
Regev deserves a special place in Hell with those Hamas cnuts that sanctioned the murders of women and children.
You said you supported Palestine?
OK, but I'm fairly positive you wont see this kind of brainwashing in Israeli schools about Palestinians.
I support neither HAMAS nor Yetenyahu's government or the IDF.
I find left wing support of HAMAS or Hezbollah intellectually and morally bankrupt.
Religion is the Opium of the masses and Hamas and Hezbollah peddle that dope in spades.
As mentioned previously, and this is nothing personal, the Left just can't help themselves. You support Palestine, for reasons I just can't fathom.
OK, but I'm fairly positive you wont see this kind of brainwashing in Israeli schools about Palestinians.
I support neither HAMAS nor Yetenyahu's government or the IDF.
I find left wing support of HAMAS or Hezbollah intellectually and morally bankrupt.
Religion is the Opium of the masses and Hamas and Hezbollah peddle that dope in spades.
As mentioned previously, and this is nothing personal, the Left just can't help themselves. You support Palestine, for reasons I just can't fathom.
I've already posted my opinion of Golda Meir
This perhaps encapsulates my opinion
Do you judge the German people of today, like they are all nazis?
It wasn't just Nazis who killed Jews, they were killed throughout Europe over many centuries. Banished from Spain, France and England at various times.
It's the smug, self congratulatory nature of thinking that the west has superior values that grates.
We do when it comes to many issues. It was called the enlightenment. I can recommend some books that explains its impact on Western Society. I can also get you a few books on the 20th century and the Civil and social rights movements. They se3m to have passed you by
Europe has reinvented itself a hub of tolerance and progressivism in the past 75 years but only after it pulled the world into the most destructive conflict in the history of the planet. A conflict that in part led to the creation of the modern state of Israel and the problems that we see in the ME today.
I support neither HAMAS nor Yetenyahu's government or the IDF.
I find left wing support of HAMAS or Hezbollah intellectually and morally bankrupt.
Religion is the Opium of the masses and Hamas and Hezbollah peddle that dope in spades.
As mentioned previously, and this is nothing personal, the Left just can't help themselves. You support Palestine, for reasons I just can't fathom.
I've already posted my opinion of Golda Meir
This perhaps encapsulates my opinion
So you reject hate by deciding to stand with hate?
It wasn't just Nazis who killed Jews, they were killed throughout Europe over many centuries. Banished from Spain, France and England at various times.
It's the smug, self congratulatory nature of thinking that the west has superior values that grates.
We do when it comes to many issues. It was called the enlightenment. I can recommend some books that explains its impact on Western Society. I can also get you a few books on the 20th century and the Civil and social rights movements. They se3m to have passed you by
Europe has reinvented itself a hub of tolerance and progressivism in the past 75 years but only after it pulled the world into the most destructive conflict in the history of the planet. A conflict that in part led to the creation of the modern state of Israel and the problems that we see in the ME today.
The problems we see are in the ME today are because of Islam, not because of the modern state of Israel. The Jews returned to their historical homeland, a homeland that existed millenia before the rise of Islam. I would like you to tell me why you think this is wrong?
Isn't it a bit rich to be talking about western values when Europeans killed Jews in pogroms across an entire millenia culminating in the Holocaust? At various times Jews were actually expelled from countries on the continent.
It's just a bit nauseating hearing westerners and Europeans speaking from some assumed position of moral superiority when its own history of anti semitism is so well documented.
That’s such a stupid strawman.
Do you judge the German people of today, like they are all nazis?
It wasn't just Nazis who killed Jews, they were killed throughout Europe over many centuries. Banished from Spain, France and England at various times.
It's the smug, self congratulatory nature of thinking that the west has superior values that grates.
You're absolutely right so yeah go ahead and turn Gaza into a multi storey car park.
We do when it comes to many issues. It was called the enlightenment. I can recommend some books that explains its impact on Western Society. I can also get you a few books on the 20th century and the Civil and social rights movements. They se3m to have passed you by
Europe has reinvented itself a hub of tolerance and progressivism in the past 75 years but only after it pulled the world into the most destructive conflict in the history of the planet. A conflict that in part led to the creation of the modern state of Israel and the problems that we see in the ME today.
The problems we see are in the ME today are because of Islam, not because of the modern state of Israel. The Jews returned to their historical homeland, a homeland that existed millenia before the rise of Islam. I would like you to tell me why you think this is wrong?
Nothing you have written in this post reflects what I have written. What do you think I wrote?
Europeans killed Jews for centuries necessitating their need for a homeland as a refuge from persecution. Would you be honest enough to admit that the so called holier than thou west played its part in creating the problems in the ME?
Isn't it a bit rich to be talking about western values when Europeans killed Jews in pogroms across an entire millenia culminating in the Holocaust? At various times Jews were actually expelled from countries on the continent.
It's just a bit nauseating hearing westerners and Europeans speaking from some assumed position of moral superiority when its own history of anti semitism is so well documented.
That’s such a stupid strawman.
Do you judge the German people of today, like they are all nazis?
It wasn't just Nazis who killed Jews, they were killed throughout Europe over many centuries. Banished from Spain, France and England at various times.
It's the smug, self congratulatory nature of thinking that the west has superior values that grates.
You’ve just reiterated what I was saying by doing it again, but worse. Now you are driving back to even further back centuries to compare. As opposed to looking at the Western Europeans alive today.
