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Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:54 pm
by Raggs
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:43 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:40 pm
Loved everything about that, superb game and a great win. Maybe some humble pie from some of Borthwick’s critics?
Nah, England did exactly what everyone had been begging for and threw the game plan England have used for 18 matches under Borthwick away. Full credit to him for coaching them to play like this, but it doesn't change what's come before.
Fingers crossed the result persuades them this is the way to go at home and away, too. Loads to love about it.
What? Scotland have would have looked the same has we not been dropping the ball repeatedly. Our attacking ambition was clearly improved from the start of the six nations, it just clicked better today.
The idea that this was some sort of binning and something new, rather than just development of what we've seen, is crazy. I doubt they expected the attack to run that smoothly, but it's not really new.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:55 pm
by JM2K6
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:48 pm
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Are we pretending Ford didn't have a big hand in how well our attacking game went?
Agree on the others, even though Slade also had his best attacking game in ages
We need to be ruthless and move on. If Marcus Smith is available he should be starting. MSmith is 25 so will be in his prime over the next 3 years.
Think this is a bit mad to be honest. England were a much better team when Ford was on. Really all Smith did was drop a goal that anyone would have done, under little pressure as he had the penalty. All seems a bit emotional which is fair enough
He made a great break, made space for Manny down the right for the final attacking position, put Dombrandt on an outside arc that led to a Freeman 1-on-1, and generally did a great job moving England's attack around.
Oh, and landed the winning drop goal.
Pretty good for the 20 minutes he was on the pitch tbf
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:56 pm
by JM2K6
Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:54 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:43 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:40 pm
Loved everything about that, superb game and a great win. Maybe some humble pie from some of Borthwick’s critics?
Nah, England did exactly what everyone had been begging for and threw the game plan England have used for 18 matches under Borthwick away. Full credit to him for coaching them to play like this, but it doesn't change what's come before.
Fingers crossed the result persuades them this is the way to go at home and away, too. Loads to love about it.
What? Scotland have would have looked the same has we not been dropping the ball repeatedly. Our attacking ambition was clearly improved from the start of the six nations, it just clicked better today.
The idea that this was some sort of binning and something new, rather than just development of what we've seen, is crazy. I doubt they expected the attack to run that smoothly, but it's not really new.
We were shambolic against Scotland. Yes, there was more intent, but nothing like today, even without the mistakes. We did not play at the same pace at all.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:01 pm
by Yeeb
Lolz @ the best team in the world (according to the internet)
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:01 pm
by Paddington Bear
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:43 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:40 pm
Loved everything about that, superb game and a great win. Maybe some humble pie from some of Borthwick’s critics?
1 ray of sunshine does not a summer make.
Beating the world number 1 team (and outplaying them) ought to cause some self-reflection given the absolute panning this side and their systems have got, even during this game on here.
Anyway, time for bed here, going to log off and just enjoy this one, first real ‘fuck yeah’ game in years for England.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:02 pm
by el capitan
Brilliant win.
Game was a bit mad - England on the whole the more dominant, can't really put enough together though ultimately and Ireland stretch out into a lead, England then come back but then with a man advantage can't capitalise further, wilt a bit as the subs are made and Ireland get their noses back in front, but there is one last effort and twist in the tale.
I have given Borthwick a lot of stick, justified in my opinion, but hopefully that is the turning of a page today. Fuckload still to improve on - being clinical, cutting down the daft errors and silly discipline stuff, the defence looks horrendous still.... - but that today has to be the base standard for ambition, intensity/commitment, and tempo to the play.
Selection also don't half help - one or two more who can truck it up and are carrier options, one or two more with some pace who can run the ball, and all of a sudden it looks a bit easier to play rugby.
Get in.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:07 pm
by Plim
Really excellent game. Ambition and skill from both sides.
I’ve always thought England’s backs were better than the dreary kicking shit we fell into allowed them to show - thanks for the box kick regression Danny.
Ireland will win the championship at a canter next week, and thoroughly deserve to.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:07 pm
by Uncle fester
Ex Leinster players need to be locked out of the media in the week leading up to matches.
All in favour, say aye.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:07 pm
by C69
Brothers out thinking Farrell.
What a win, what a choke
Again
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:09 pm
by JM2K6
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:07 pm
Ex Leinster players need to be locked out of the media in the week leading up to matches.
All in favour, say aye.
And ban Off The Ball?
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:10 pm
by Ymx
Has Borthwick been knighted yet ?
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:11 pm
by Ymx
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:01 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:43 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:40 pm
Loved everything about that, superb game and a great win. Maybe some humble pie from some of Borthwick’s critics?
1 ray of sunshine does not a summer make.
Beating the world number 1 team (and outplaying them) ought to cause some self-reflection given the absolute panning this side and their systems have got, even during this game on here.
Anyway, time for bed here, going to log off and just enjoy this one, first real ‘fuck yeah’ game in years for England.
And there it is.
A timely reminder
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:14 pm
by inactionman
This reinforces many england fans view that there's a good team in there somewhere - just need to see it more regularly, cut out errors and fucking ban grubber kicks.
Ben Earl must be on something, the amount of running and hard work he got through made me feel exhausted.
I also thought Freeman showed up very well, wasn't convinced in him as a winger but he ran some good lines and pipped up on some good inside ball
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:17 pm
by Uncle fester
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:09 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:07 pm
Ex Leinster players need to be locked out of the media in the week leading up to matches.
All in favour, say aye.
And ban Off The Ball?
Naturally
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:18 pm
by Uncle fester
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:11 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:01 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:43 pm
1 ray of sunshine does not a summer make.
Beating the world number 1 team (and outplaying them) ought to cause some self-reflection given the absolute panning this side and their systems have got, even during this game on here.
Anyway, time for bed here, going to log off and just enjoy this one, first real ‘fuck yeah’ game in years for England.
And there it is.
A timely reminder
Thought SA were still no 1?
They've done nothing since that final though so total losers.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:20 pm
by JM2K6
Seems very likely that the officials missed Freeman being in touch and a potential clear out that clipped Furlong high. Very unfortunate for Ireland.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:21 pm
by JM2K6
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:18 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:11 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:01 pm
Beating the world number 1 team (and outplaying them) ought to cause some self-reflection given the absolute panning this side and their systems have got, even during this game on here.
Anyway, time for bed here, going to log off and just enjoy this one, first real ‘fuck yeah’ game in years for England.
And there it is.
A timely reminder
Thought SA were still no 1?
They've done nothing since that final though so total losers.
What are we being reminded of apart from PB and Raggs being bigger fans of Borthwick than most
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:23 pm
by Ymx
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:18 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:11 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:01 pm
Beating the world number 1 team (and outplaying them) ought to cause some self-reflection given the absolute panning this side and their systems have got, even during this game on here.
Anyway, time for bed here, going to log off and just enjoy this one, first real ‘fuck yeah’ game in years for England.
And there it is.
A timely reminder
Thought SA were still no 1?
They've done nothing since that final though so total losers.
He’s on the England supporters tonic
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:44 pm
by Uncle fester
Lady P wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:39 pm
Wales to do France tomorrow. It’s upset weekend.
Nah, France winning in Cardiff on current form would be an upset.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 8:00 pm
by PornDog
Congrats England, thoroughly deserved. Dominated the game for large portions and really shut down our fast trucking game. Even when we did string a few quick phases together your pressure D inevitably resulted in us knocking it on.
No complaints, better team won.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 8:38 pm
by Tichtheid
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:20 pm
Seems very likely that the officials missed Freeman being in touch and a potential clear out that clipped Furlong high. Very unfortunate for Ireland.
It doesn't show up in the highlights but I thought during the game that Slade was tackled and then placed the ball, he then regathered it and popped it up to a team mate in support - this led up to Earl's try but was too many phases before the actual score to check.
These games are very tight and when you get the rub of the green it can make a big difference.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:02 pm
by iarmhí
Still feeling salty as fuck.
Hugely frustrated with the result but no arguments who the better team were and who deserved to win. England by a comfortable margin.
Very annoyed with our discipline or lack of.
England need a winning bonus next week and Ireland to not get losing bonus.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:06 pm
by JM2K6
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 8:38 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:20 pm
Seems very likely that the officials missed Freeman being in touch and a potential clear out that clipped Furlong high. Very unfortunate for Ireland.
It doesn't show up in the highlights but I thought during the game that Slade was tackled and then placed the ball, he then regathered it and popped it up to a team mate in support - this led up to Earl's try but was too many phases before the actual score to check.
These games are very tight and when you get the rub of the green it can make a big difference.
Yeah, that one was a bit odd
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:27 pm
by Slick
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:51 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:48 pm
petej wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:42 pm
We need to be ruthless and move on. If Marcus Smith is available he should be starting. MSmith is 25 so will be in his prime over the next 3 years.
Think this is a bit mad to be honest. England were a much better team when Ford was on. Really all Smith did was drop a goal that anyone would have done, under little pressure as he had the penalty. All seems a bit emotional which is fair enough
You just don't like his hair
I’d never be that shallow. It’s also his face, his voice, his demeanour. And his hair again
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:30 pm
by Slick
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:09 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:07 pm
Ex Leinster players need to be locked out of the media in the week leading up to matches.
All in favour, say aye.
And ban Off The Ball?
England should have just played with 13 or 14 players and saved some for next week
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:42 pm
by Blackmac
inactionman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:14 pm
This reinforces many england fans view that there's a good team in there somewhere - just need to see it more regularly, cut out errors and fucking ban grubber kicks.
Ben Earl must be on something, the amount of running and hard work he got through made me feel exhausted.
I also thought Freeman showed up very well, wasn't convinced in him as a winger but he ran some good lines and pipped up on some good inside ball
It's been pretty evident for a while . Some seriously decent players constrained by a very limited game plan.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:44 pm
by Blackmac
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:06 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 8:38 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:20 pm
Seems very likely that the officials missed Freeman being in touch and a potential clear out that clipped Furlong high. Very unfortunate for Ireland.
It doesn't show up in the highlights but I thought during the game that Slade was tackled and then placed the ball, he then regathered it and popped it up to a team mate in support - this led up to Earl's try but was too many phases before the actual score to check.
These games are very tight and when you get the rub of the green it can make a big difference.
Yeah, that one was a bit odd
It was so obvious it left you wondering if you have missed a change in the laws.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 11:05 pm
by Mahoney
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:27 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:51 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:48 pm
Think this is a bit mad to be honest. England were a much better team when Ford was on. Really all Smith did was drop a goal that anyone would have done, under little pressure as he had the penalty. All seems a bit emotional which is fair enough
You just don't like his hair
I’d never be that shallow. It’s also his face, his voice, his demeanour. And his hair again
Give it a few years and you’ll always have rated him as a person and a player.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 3:53 am
by Chilli2
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 12:47 pm
Chilli2 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 11:51 am
If England won this.......... I'd laugh, and laugh and laugh.
There's a fresh new take.
And laugh
And laugh
And laugh
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:32 am
by Paddington Bear
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:23 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:18 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:11 pm
And there it is.
A timely reminder
Thought SA were still no 1?
They've done nothing since that final though so total losers.
He’s on the England supporters tonic
Huh, could have sworn Ireland went back top when they beat France. Don’t think it materially changes my point - it’s a pretty mainstream view that Ireland are the best team in the world right now. Still largely none the wiser about what you’re angling at tbh
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:49 am
by Slick
Mahoney wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 11:05 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:27 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:51 pm
You just don't like his hair
I’d never be that shallow. It’s also his face, his voice, his demeanour. And his hair again
Give it a few years and you’ll always have rated him as a person and a player.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:33 am
by Openside
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:44 pm
Lady P wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:39 pm
Wales to do France tomorrow. It’s upset weekend.
Nah, France winning in Cardiff on current form would be an upset.
Chum of mine has £100 on three home wins at 70/1
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:32 am
by Plim
Morning after review, with plenty of pause button. A very high-quality game that.
One thing I’d missed was how well Earl stood up Lowe at the end of his line break (57 mins). Lowe looked a bit sheepish afterwards.
But I can’t see any reason for Ireland to fret. They are a very polished side. The Irish organisation is remarkable.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:33 am
by Ymx
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:32 am
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:23 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:18 pm
Thought SA were still no 1?
They've done nothing since that final though so total losers.
He’s on the England supporters tonic
Huh, could have sworn Ireland went back top when they beat France. Don’t think it materially changes my point - it’s a pretty mainstream view that Ireland are the best team in the world right now. Still largely none the wiser about what you’re angling at tbh
It’s ok PB. They can be in your head.
Destroyed number 1 team with only 14 on the pitch.
Roaaaaaaaaaar !!!
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:35 am
by Ymx
What do the crew make of this ??
Blatant red or shocking Hollywood
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:38 am
by Plim
Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:35 am
What do the crew make of this ??
Blatant red or shocking Hollywood
Hard to say, but the backwards stagger and flop is a Ten From Len, foul or no foul.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:08 am
by tc27
Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:35 am
What do the crew make of this ??
Blatant red or shocking Hollywood
If that's head contact its a clear red. But would need to see from another angle as it could just be a shoulder to shoulder impact.
The dramatic dive afterwards is pretty poor though..that shit should be stamped out.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:09 am
by Margin__Walker
Can't tell anything from that without another angle. Could be shoulder on head. Could be shoulder on shoulder.
Surprised Furlong survived the experience though.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:11 am
by Ymx
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:09 am
Can't tell anything from that without another angle. Could be shoulder on head. Could be shoulder on shoulder.
Surprised Furlong survived the experience though.
Sexton would have actually doid … for a fifth time.
Re: 6 Nations Round 4 - England V Ireland
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:26 am
by SaintK
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:09 am
Can't tell anything from that without another angle. Could be shoulder on head. Could be shoulder on shoulder.
Surprised Furlong survived the experience though.
Thought the ref said they'd checked in the background wwhen asked?