The Springboks totally outplayed them in the WC. They were done after 70 minutes. Must ne depressive for them_Os_ wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:18 pmMostly just going on what their media and fans were saying. The "more than the sum of their parts" argument has to be there when discussing a team, for the Boks there's a lot of past players that were more talented than players in the current side, it doesn't mean those past teams were better though. It also becomes hard to assess these things if you go back too far, there were good French teams in the 90s but I also recall the Boks beating those some of those sides quite badly, and it's a completely different era to now.Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:50 pm Hrmm, that's a stretch, I think. The current team is a decent side, Dupont is one of the best rugby players I've ever seen, maybe the best, but I'm not sure many others in the current side make the "Best French XV of All Time", as much as I like Penaud, he might make it, might.
None of the pack or centres imo.
Fly half is a bit off the wall in France.
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OomStruisbaai
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Unless you're planning on dying soon they still have a good chance. The next RWC is in Aus, but the Wallabies are basically fucked they've been in a dogfight to beat an average Wales side at home. There's a strong chance it ends up a neutral RWC in a place not many people care about the sport.Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:50 pm Always said that was the only chance in my lifetime for a Fre RWC win. But the majority of contributing factors to that loss were self inflicted so it was time to take a breather from rugby.
Boks/ABs/Ireland/England/France are all quite close, depends how you think they'll develop by the next RWC. Beyond them the chasing pack is only Scotland at the moment.
Experienced Bok forwards like Malherbe, Mostert, Kwagga and Kolisi looked jaded and tired today. Faf and Pollard were shite too.
12-15 (and 23) were really good, doing their best chasing some very poor kicks.
POTM was Ox, his defence and ruck work were just superb and he turned us opponent at ruck time into a pretzel.
12-15 (and 23) were really good, doing their best chasing some very poor kicks.
POTM was Ox, his defence and ruck work were just superb and he turned us opponent at ruck time into a pretzel.
Die Strand hond would've closed that out Oom, he's not kak most days.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:19 pmYou are a bit unfair on SFM. Vok it's only his 2nd test and got the Springboks back with his individual skills after that dreadful 1st half. If he played in his preferred 10 position it would have been a totally different story. Pollard don't have the attacking skills like him or Libbok. Willie can be kak on most days._Os_ wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:49 pm Congrats Ireland, got the only try so a deserved win. Try came in a similar way to what I feared, quick play from a dropout, as Schalk said in the commentary similar to the one Ireland scored in the 1st test.
Le Roux going off at the very start with a HIA (nothing in it, an accident) hurt the Boks the most in the end. SFM was a mixed bag, some really good stuff, but it's still losing a player with 94 caps for a rookie with 1 cap. Reckon SFM's finishing cost the Boks in the end, pointlessly kicked away some ball he should've held, but the goalie save of the ball going out wasn't good (could've let it go out, it was covered if somehow the Irish kept it in play), end of the match and gave Ireland a lineout in the Bok half with 2 points in it when Ireland had already scored a drop goal, that was a facepalm moment. Can't blame one guy obviously, probably why the SS guys went out of their way to praise SFM after the match. First half was a write off for the Boks, second half they didn't convert anything into tries and that's where it was lost.
A shame there's no third test.
Our line out drive was non existing. Hats off to the Irish youngster winning it for them.
But thinking about it maybe not if he had stayed on and was replaced by SFM. This will be something Rassie and the coaching team thinks about, SFM needs more experience but do you want him coming on and closing out matches like that?
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Not including Williams because of time on pitch I guess? He was greatSandstorm wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:44 pm Experienced Bok forwards like Malherbe, Mostert, Kwagga and Kolisi looked jaded and tired today. Faf and Pollard were shite too.
12-15 (and 23) were really good, doing their best chasing some very poor kicks.
POTM was Ox, his defence and ruck work were just superb and he turned us opponent at ruck time into a pretzel.
Kwagga needed to kick the ball when he made that break and wasn't going to win the foot race. He had someone on his shoulder to chase it (Kolisi?). That was his biggest error. Mostert went off too early to judge. Didn't notice Malherbe much, Arendse the same.Sandstorm wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:44 pm Experienced Bok forwards like Malherbe, Mostert, Kwagga and Kolisi looked jaded and tired today. Faf and Pollard were shite too.
Bok coaching team will know the workloads of all the players. Our players don't really have an off season now, so there has to be some rotation/resting.
Would really like to bank the wins against the Wallabies in Aus this season. If they're not targeted then there's a risk the Wallabies win yet again, when they really shouldn't.
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Drawn series seems fair, but it is a pity we won't have a decider.
There's no way Faf is your starting SH either, he's about as sharp as a block of butter, & taking him into big games is a risk until he's back to something like his best.
There's no way Faf is your starting SH either, he's about as sharp as a block of butter, & taking him into big games is a risk until he's back to something like his best.
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Only watched the replay now. Entertaining game, congrats to Ireland, really hang in there at the end. Great defence. Deserved the win. That 15 is great!
Boks were way to pumped up in the first half. Tried to dominate physically, all that happened was that they knocked themselves out and Ireland took the lead. Should have played it cool at the beginning. It is what have lost them the game. Kicking from hand was terrible too, both from Pollard and Faf. Pollard at least got better later on and was on song with his penalties which allowed us to come back into the game. Grant Williams was good when he came on, great kicking, great speed at the ruck. And SFM is pure class, his second test, against the no 2 in the world, massive talent. And, as always, Kwagga is wasted as a starter.
Boks were way to pumped up in the first half. Tried to dominate physically, all that happened was that they knocked themselves out and Ireland took the lead. Should have played it cool at the beginning. It is what have lost them the game. Kicking from hand was terrible too, both from Pollard and Faf. Pollard at least got better later on and was on song with his penalties which allowed us to come back into the game. Grant Williams was good when he came on, great kicking, great speed at the ruck. And SFM is pure class, his second test, against the no 2 in the world, massive talent. And, as always, Kwagga is wasted as a starter.
