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Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:31 pm
by TheFrog
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:55 pm
La Rochelle not looking like a team who just won the European Cup, Toulouse well on top.
Worn out. No more gaz left in the tank.
Toulouse was able to recover some energy going into this game and it made the difference.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:14 pm
by La soule
Good game. Made nice viewing. Forwards did the job for Toulouse, so did the half back partnership.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:49 am
by Torquemada 1420
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:55 pm
La Rochelle not looking like a team who just won the European Cup, Toulouse well on top.
Pretty dull watching. Too fractured with high error count: esp from LaR. Not helped by the assinine commentators on Premier.
Once again, Dupont is the key difference.
Ironic that Toulouse did to LaR what LaR did to Leinster i.e. ran rush defence out wide the entire game to force the runners back into the traffic. West is so dogsh*t awful, he was never going to have the kicking or running game to alter the method of attack.
If the Toulon fans are up in arms about Carbonel going, wait until they get to see a few West performance.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:19 pm
by TheFrog
Torque,
Watch Mont de Marsan if you want to discover Colly.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:45 pm
by Torquemada 1420
TheFrog wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:19 pm
Torque,
Watch Mont de Marsan if you want to discover Colly.
Sadly that game was not available anywhere I could watch it.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:15 am
by TheFrog
Urios has never managed a group with big egos. That interview is telling.
https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2 ... tory.shtml
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:11 am
by La soule
Yes, big gamble by Urios but the performance of the team against USAP was not acceptable. Jalibert is not performing to the level you would expect him to. Bègles unlocked the game yesterday through tries that did not involve him. The lad has a huge ego.
I hope the team and Urios can fix things as it would be a pity for this club if they did not.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:00 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Yeah. That is massively disappointing and player rebellion is nothing new. Especially in France. Increasingly we are seeing this in rugby as money and media exposure increases. Funny how FHs figure a lot in this e.g. Russell.
I assume you both read Jalibert's disgraceful response? If I were in Urios's position, I'd have him out of the door. Also, I can't imagine Galthie is going to tolerate such sh*t and Jalibert may have shot himself in the foot. Galthie is not like Villepreux/Skrela or Lievremont.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:50 pm
by Marylandolorian
In a couple of interviews Urios said that Jalibert was “orgueilleux”and that was one of his great qualities, it looks like he’s having a big head now, same for Woki.
Urios was right to be piss of with them, Woki has done nothing since the 6N, but it could be the coach’s fault as they put him in 4 & 8 most of the time, and Jalibert seemed to preserve himself for the Japan trip.
Hopefully everything will be fine for 22/23, but now I’m not sure that Cameron will extend his contract with Bordeaux.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:08 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:50 pm
In a couple of interviews Urios said that Jalibert was “orgueilleux”and that was one of his great qualities, it looks like he’s having a big head now, same for Woki.
Urios was right to be piss of with them, Woki has done nothing since the 6N, but it could be the coach’s fault as they put him in 4 & 8 most of the time, and Jalibert seemed to preserve himself for the Japan trip.
Hopefully everything will be fine for 22/23, but now I’m not sure that Cameron will extend his contract with Bordeaux.
Yes: thin line between pride and arrogance. I'm not even sure you can have one without the other in sport.
Woki may be suffering from too much rugby as well as the positional shuffling. He has certainly been less prominent around the park but his lineout work remains crucial for France. Backrow is looking interesting and not in a good way
- Woki as discussed: even if he is in the backrow
- Ollivon was looking every bit the player of the past... right up until the 2 games that mattered: Lyon and Racing.
- Macalou is still in the doghouse.
- Cros puts in loads of tackles but offers little else.
- Jelonch has been Mr Invisible through much of the 6N. Toulouse's amount of ball they turn over in possession remains a terrifying statistic when 2/3rds of France's backrow is there.
- Clermont have ruined nearly every player including Iturria. Only Penaud has survived the decline.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:34 pm
by TheFrog
Haddad coming to the rescue as the mobile backrow forward we need.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:37 am
by laurent
TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:34 pm
Haddad coming to the rescue as the mobile backrow forward we need.
He was outstanding in U20 World Cup and in the erc final.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:25 am
by Torquemada 1420
TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:34 pm
Haddad coming to the rescue as the mobile backrow forward we need.
Mobility really isn't an issue with any of the ones listed and I excluded Le Roux and Lauret from that (both are gone from Galthie's mind and Le Roux is better at lock anyway).
For me, the problems are
- lack of lineout options.
- lack of ability to slow opposition ball and turn it over: most of this work is done by non backrow players such as Marchand, Dupont, Danty & Villiere but those guys can only do that when play hits their sectors. They cannot come to the breakdowns to do the jobs the backrow consistently fails to do.
- lack of consistency. All of the players in that list have shone at some time (some more than others) but getting a unit that works together and is in form at the same time is defeating France. Ironically, having to many options is hampering the process: other teams just have to pick what is available.
Only Aldritt is the exception to all of this.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:00 pm
by La soule
but getting a unit that works together and is in form at the same time is defeating France.
Hmmm. The have beaten every single opposition they faced at least once in the last 12 months.
The backrow played a major role in this run of victories.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:36 pm
by Torquemada 1420
La soule wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:00 pm
but getting a unit that works together and is in form at the same time is defeating France.
Hmmm. The have beaten every single opposition they faced at least once in the last 12 months.
The backrow played a major role in this run of victories.
No. It really did not. The backrow tackled like demons (mostly: where Jelonch was for some of the games was a mystery) but it terms of slowing or turning over ball, Aldritt was a one man band. France simply had a better team across the park but I fear what might happen against SA, for example.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:15 am
by La soule
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:36 pm
La soule wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:00 pm
but getting a unit that works together and is in form at the same time is defeating France.
Hmmm. The have beaten every single opposition they faced at least once in the last 12 months.
The backrow played a major role in this run of victories.
No. It really did not. The backrow tackled like demons (mostly: where Jelonch was for some of the games was a mystery) but it terms of slowing or turning over ball, Aldritt was a one man band. France simply had a better team across the park but I fear what might happen against SA, for example.
You are picking the only team they have not played against as a source of worry., discounting the rest of their season. Why not.
And yes, the BR played a central role in this run of victories. 6/7 players will be competing for a place and that's good for the team.
If anything, we are thin in the second row & tight head, but certainly not in the back 3 unit.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:28 am
by Torquemada 1420
La soule wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:15 am
If anything, we are thin in the second row & tight head, but certainly not in the back 3 unit.
TH, FB and FH are all a headache.
No problem** with locks really. If going for the tried and tested "1 lump + 1 athlete", despite my qualification reservations, Willemse is as good a lump as any on the planet........ although he is the only real candidate and I hope that knee isn't serious. Jedrasiak had looked the part too until ASM managed to ruin him.
In terms of mobiles: Le Roux, Woki, Itrurria (caveat on ASM again^^) are all good operators.
** Because I would not be adverse to 2 mobile locks as long as there was enough weight in the backrow to compensate.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:45 pm
by Marylandolorian
Which channels (Fr or Eng) will be showing the Eng/ Bar game and at what time?
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:53 am
by Torquemada 1420
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:45 pm
Which channels (Fr or Eng) will be showing the Eng/ Bar game and at what time?
Free on
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/livetv/tvnz-1
but you will probably need to VPN.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:49 pm
by Marylandolorian
Thanks, but didn’t see it in the programming, which day / time does it start?
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:55 pm
by GuLi
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:49 pm
Thanks, but didn’t see it in the programming, which day / time does it start?
Vendredi 21h (heure de Nice) pour CO-ST
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:28 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:49 pm
Thanks, but didn’t see it in the programming, which day / time does it start?
Sunday at 15:00 UK
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:14 pm
by GuLi
GuLi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:55 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:49 pm
Thanks, but didn’t see it in the programming, which day / time does it start?
Vendredi 21h (heure de Nice) pour CO-ST
Ooh, I answered another question
Sorry.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:40 pm
by Marylandolorian
GuLi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:14 pm
GuLi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:55 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:49 pm
Thanks, but didn’t see it in the programming, which day / time does it start?
Vendredi 21h (heure de Nice) pour CO-ST
Ooh, I answered another question
Sorry.
It’s ok, Il fait chaud, pastis puis un petit rosé bien frais et on se mélange les pinceaux.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:00 am
by La soule
Le XV de départ de Castres : 15. Dumora ; 14. Palis, 13. Combezou, 12. Botitu, 11. Nakosi ; 10. Urdapilleta, 9. Arata ; 7. Champion de Crespigny, 8. Ben-Nicholas, 6. Babillot (cap.) ; 5. Staniforth, 4. Vanverberghe ; 3. Hounkpatin, 2. Barlot, 1. Walcker.
Les remplaçants : 16. Ngauamo, 17. de Benedittis, 18. Jacquet, 19. Delaporte, 20. Fernandez, 21. Cocagi, 22. Zeghdar, 23. Chilachava.
V
Le XV de départ de Toulouse : 15. Ramos ; 14. Mallia, 13. Fouyssac, 12. Ahki, 11. Lebel ; 10. Ntamack, 9. Dupont ; 7. Elstadt, 8. Tolofua, 6. Jelonch ; 5. Ri. Arnold, 4. Ro. Arnold ; 3. Faumuina, 2. Marchand (cap.), 1. Baille.
Les remplaçants : 16. Mauvaka, 17. Ainu'u, 18. Meafou, 19. Flament, 20. Placines, 21. Germain, 22. Epee, 23. Aldegheri.
Castres are pretty much full strength.
Faumina back for ST but Cros gone, replaced by Placines, on the bench. Fouyssac had finally a good game last week and cold start to deliver. If he does, ST by 10.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:14 am
by Torquemada 1420
La soule wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:00 am
Le XV de départ de Castres : 15. Dumora ; 14. Palis, 13. Combezou, 12. Botitu, 11. Nakosi ; 10. Urdapilleta, 9. Arata ; 7. Champion de Crespigny, 8. Ben-Nicholas, 6. Babillot (cap.) ; 5. Staniforth, 4. Vanverberghe ; 3. Hounkpatin, 2. Barlot, 1. Walcker.
Les remplaçants : 16. Ngauamo, 17. de Benedittis, 18. Jacquet, 19. Delaporte, 20. Fernandez, 21. Cocagi, 22. Zeghdar, 23. Chilachava.
V
Le XV de départ de Toulouse : 15. Ramos ; 14. Mallia, 13. Fouyssac, 12. Ahki, 11. Lebel ; 10. Ntamack, 9. Dupont ; 7. Elstadt, 8. Tolofua, 6. Jelonch ; 5. Ri. Arnold, 4. Ro. Arnold ; 3. Faumuina, 2. Marchand (cap.), 1. Baille.
Les remplaçants : 16. Mauvaka, 17. Ainu'u, 18. Meafou, 19. Flament, 20. Placines, 21. Germain, 22. Epee, 23. Aldegheri.
Castres are pretty much full strength.
Faumina back for ST but Cros gone, replaced by Placines, on the bench. Fouyssac had finally a good game last week and cold start to deliver. If he does, ST by 10.
I like your confidence given ST's recent form against CO.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:24 am
by La soule
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:14 am
La soule wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:00 am
Le XV de départ de Castres : 15. Dumora ; 14. Palis, 13. Combezou, 12. Botitu, 11. Nakosi ; 10. Urdapilleta, 9. Arata ; 7. Champion de Crespigny, 8. Ben-Nicholas, 6. Babillot (cap.) ; 5. Staniforth, 4. Vanverberghe ; 3. Hounkpatin, 2. Barlot, 1. Walcker.
Les remplaçants : 16. Ngauamo, 17. de Benedittis, 18. Jacquet, 19. Delaporte, 20. Fernandez, 21. Cocagi, 22. Zeghdar, 23. Chilachava.
V
Le XV de départ de Toulouse : 15. Ramos ; 14. Mallia, 13. Fouyssac, 12. Ahki, 11. Lebel ; 10. Ntamack, 9. Dupont ; 7. Elstadt, 8. Tolofua, 6. Jelonch ; 5. Ri. Arnold, 4. Ro. Arnold ; 3. Faumuina, 2. Marchand (cap.), 1. Baille.
Les remplaçants : 16. Mauvaka, 17. Ainu'u, 18. Meafou, 19. Flament, 20. Placines, 21. Germain, 22. Epee, 23. Aldegheri.
Castres are pretty much full strength.
Faumina back for ST but Cros gone, replaced by Placines, on the bench. Fouyssac had finally a good game last week and cold start to deliver. If he does, ST by 10.
I like your confidence given ST's recent form against CO.
ST are picking at the right time and I think that even if CO is at its most annoying self, ST will be a level up.
Well I hope so.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:29 pm
by Torquemada 1420
La soule wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:24 am
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:14 am
I like your confidence given ST's recent form against CO.
ST are picking at the right time and I think that even if CO is at its most annoying self, ST will be a level up.
Well I hope so.
I have a feeling it's going to be a horrible watch.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:32 pm
by TheFrog
I think it is difficult to rely on previous regular Top14 games to predict the outcome of a play-off.
Should be a tight game but Toulouse will prevail.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:12 pm
by Marylandolorian
TheFrog wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:32 pm
I think it is difficult to rely on previous regular Top14 games to predict the outcome of a play-off.
Should be a tight game but Toulouse will prevail.
Should prevail (on the paper) , will ? Not so sure
Last year against Bordeaux, even tho Seuteni got a red card at the 58’, they only won by 3 points.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:22 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Hah. I forgot it was at a neutral ground.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:34 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Usual T14 reffing as red card bottled against the big team.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:35 pm
by Tichtheid
Just joined the game to see Arnold smack the Castres player square in the face.
I have no idea why that isn't a red card
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:44 pm
by TheFrog
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:35 pm
Just joined the game to see Arnold smack the Castres player square in the face.
I have no idea why that isn't a red card
Toughen up. This is French rugby.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:45 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:35 pm
Just joined the game to see Arnold smack the Castres player square in the face.
I have no idea why that isn't a red card
Because it's Toulouse against a minnow and T14 reffing is totally bent in such situations. Ref tried desperately to ignore it until it came up on the big screen.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:51 pm
by Torquemada 1420
That has to be a another yellow against Toulouse.
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:53 pm
by Torquemada 1420
F**king ridiculous. Marchand should be redded for arguing with the ref. Instead, the ref agrees to go to the TMO. Who the f**k is reffing this game?
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:53 pm
by TheFrog
2 yellows already against Toulouse
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:54 pm
by Tichtheid
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:53 pm
F**king ridiculous. Marchand should be redded for arguing with the ref. Instead, the ref agrees to go to the TMO. Who the f**k is reffing this game?
I don't like the law but I think the ref got that wrong, he played the arm first, not the ball
Re: Le Taupe XIV et la mégalomanie de Laporte
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:55 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Will they go back to Faumuina's head shot?