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Hostages were apparently held in the private residence of an Al Jazeera photographer and his physician father.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 10:20 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:54 am

bogbunny wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:50 am Four Israeli hostages kidnapped by Hamas from the Nova music festival during the group’s 7 October attacks have been rescued, Israel’s army has announced.

Less good is the scores of civilians who were killed during the operation.

I've seen a number as high as 270+. A very high cost was paid by the Palestinians for the four hostages.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:06 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 10:20 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:54 am

Less good is the scores of civilians who were killed during the operation.

I've seen a number as high as 270+. A very high cost was paid by the Palestinians for the four hostages.

They can send the bill to Hamas who knew, without a single doubt, that actions like this would happen.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:44 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:06 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 10:20 pm Less good is the scores of civilians who were killed during the operation.

I've seen a number as high as 270+. A very high cost was paid by the Palestinians for the four hostages.

They can send the bill to Hamas who knew, without a single doubt, that actions like this would happen.

By that reasoning then, the IDF are Hamas’ little bitch because they’re doing just what Hamas want them to…

Is that really the impression you want to convey?

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:08 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:44 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:06 am

I've seen a number as high as 270+. A very high cost was paid by the Palestinians for the four hostages.

They can send the bill to Hamas who knew, without a single doubt, that actions like this would happen.

By that reasoning then, the IDF are Hamas’ little bitch because they’re doing just what Hamas want them to…

Is that really the impression you want to convey?

Not really sure you thought that post through.

Hamas are manipulating people like you to garner sympathy through the actions they took that they knew would lead to situations like this.

You're Hama's bitch, actually.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:06 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 10:20 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:54 am

Less good is the scores of civilians who were killed during the operation.

I've seen a number as high as 270+. A very high cost was paid by the Palestinians for the four hostages.

I saw a figure the other day that Israel have taken something like 9000 hostages since the start of this

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:33 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:06 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 10:20 pm

Less good is the scores of civilians who were killed during the operation.

I've seen a number as high as 270+. A very high cost was paid by the Palestinians for the four hostages.

I saw a figure the other day that Israel have taken something like 9000 hostages since the start of this

I think you mean arrested 9000 terrorists...

I'm sure due process is being rigidly adhered to in all 9000 cases.

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:00 pm Hostages were apparently held in the private residence of an Al Jazeera photographer and his physician father.

Have looked for this and sources but only source seems to be IDF and thousands of accounts tweeting it. Something this serious is bound to be corroborated by independent media.

Also reported that 3 hostages were killed in the operation but that seems to be coming from Hamas so treat with caution.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:05 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:00 pm Hostages were apparently held in the private residence of an Al Jazeera photographer and his physician father.

Have looked for this and sources but only source seems to be IDF and thousands of accounts tweeting it. Something this serious is bound to be corroborated by independent media.

Also reported that 3 hostages were killed in the operation but that seems to be coming from Hamas so treat with caution.

It's a stupid fact anyway. Maybe they were, but were the owners still there, were they under duress, etc

The owners were killed, the dispute is if the one guy was employed by AL Jazeera. Hamas claims he was an employee of another news agency. who knows if the family was under duress.

some footage of the rescue operation:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/11/worl ... ldn-digvid

I know CNN gets derided by many people but their reporting has been far better than the BBC when it comes to this war

Very fitting in some respects.

https://x.com/OSINTNic/status/1801028004006547616

But Hezbollah
https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... dApp_Other

Nice

This is a good read

Origins and Evolution of The Palestinian Problem Part 1 1917-1947

The Israeli military has quietly handed over significant legal powers in the occupied West Bank to pro-settler civil servants working for the far-right minister Bezalel Smotrich.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... dApp_Other

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:01 am The Israeli military has quietly handed over significant legal powers in the occupied West Bank to pro-settler civil servants working for the far-right minister Bezalel Smotrich.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... dApp_Other

The West Bank - former Jordanian territory which they lost in a war with Israel. It will take a war to win it back - no amount of protest will succeed.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 6:12 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:01 am The Israeli military has quietly handed over significant legal powers in the occupied West Bank to pro-settler civil servants working for the far-right minister Bezalel Smotrich.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... dApp_Other

The West Bank - former Jordanian territory which they lost in a war with Israel. It will take a war to win it back - no amount of protest will succeed.

Former Mandatory Britain, occupied by Jordan in 1948

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

Just do whatever the fuck you want

epwc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:25 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

Just do whatever the fuck you want

Hammas are sub human dangerous zealous cunts! The Israeli Government and their military wing the IDF are sub human dangerous zealous cunts! Palestinians and jews are mere pawns in a dangerous game of last man standing.

Well if there was a definition of a human shield
Fucking savages

It's like something from a Mad Max movie

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 6:12 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:01 am The Israeli military has quietly handed over significant legal powers in the occupied West Bank to pro-settler civil servants working for the far-right minister Bezalel Smotrich.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... dApp_Other

The West Bank - former Jordanian territory which they lost in a war with Israel. It will take a war to win it back - no amount of protest will succeed.

That's a bonkers line of reasoning. We should just accept Russian expansionism because "it will take a war to win it back"?

And just in case we were unclear on the move to annex.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... -west-bank

Yeah, but with the war in Ukraine it’s mostly good guys against genocidal fascist cunts. In the West Bank it's two sets of cunts in an intractable conflict. Plus the war in Ukraine is of far far greater global importance than whatever happens in the West Bank

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ry-service

About time these freeloaders got called up.

There won't be much of the West Bank left soon:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... g-violence

They're also threatening to take "Lebanon back to the stone age"

I still can't get my head around how this will lead to peace for Israel

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:44 am Plus the war in Ukraine is of far far greater global importance than whatever happens in the West Bank

How is the war in Ukraine of "greater global importance" than what happens in Israel? I'm asking genuinely here. Why should Latin Americans or Africans care about Ukraine?

This seems like a Eurocentric point of view which inflates the importance of the west to the rest of the world.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 10:11 pm

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 6:12 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:01 am The Israeli military has quietly handed over significant legal powers in the occupied West Bank to pro-settler civil servants working for the far-right minister Bezalel Smotrich.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... dApp_Other

The West Bank - former Jordanian territory which they lost in a war with Israel. It will take a war to win it back - no amount of protest will succeed.

That's a bonkers line of reasoning. We should just accept Russian expansionism because "it will take a war to win it back"?

And just in case we were unclear on the move to annex.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... -west-bank

It is bonkers as the West Bank was not „former Jordan territory“. It was occupied by Jordan in 1948. Former Mandatory Britain. Former Ottoman Empire… and so on…

Hugo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:28 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:44 am Plus the war in Ukraine is of far far greater global importance than whatever happens in the West Bank

How is the war in Ukraine of "greater global importance" than what happens in Israel? I'm asking genuinely here. Why should Latin Americans or Africans care about Ukraine?

This seems like a Eurocentric point of view which inflates the importance of the west to the rest of the world.

Ask for example an Egyptian how food prices specifically bread have increased the last 2 years. 10 fold!!

Hugo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:28 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:44 am Plus the war in Ukraine is of far far greater global importance than whatever happens in the West Bank

How is the war in Ukraine of "greater global importance" than what happens in Israel? I'm asking genuinely here. Why should Latin Americans or Africans care about Ukraine?

This seems like a Eurocentric point of view which inflates the importance of the west to the rest of the world.

Israel is the pustule on relations between the middle east and the west so yeah, it's kind of important.

Am amazed that folks who can clearly see that Russia grabbing land that doesn't belong to it is wrong, struggle to see the same when it's Israel cosplaying as a western nation doing the same thing.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:53 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:28 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:44 am Plus the war in Ukraine is of far far greater global importance than whatever happens in the West Bank

How is the war in Ukraine of "greater global importance" than what happens in Israel? I'm asking genuinely here. Why should Latin Americans or Africans care about Ukraine?

This seems like a Eurocentric point of view which inflates the importance of the west to the rest of the world.

Israel is the pustule on relations between the middle east and the west so yeah, it's kind of important.

Am amazed that folks who can clearly see that Russia grabbing land that doesn't belong to it is wrong, struggle to see the same when it's Israel cosplaying as a western nation doing the same thing.

And this makes all the cosying up between the Gulf States & Israel, facilitated by Javanka so transparently bullshit.

It's been an article of faith that anything that goes wrong since 1948, is because of the Jews !!!

And all of a sudden, you have some of the Gulf states trying to undo ~80 years of this manipulation & quelle surprise Rodders, they now look like fucking idiots, because Bibi fucked them over, & reinforced the 80 year old narrative, & made every Arab who tried normalizing relations with Israel look like a complete traitor .... so well done Javanke and well done the twats who gave him billions

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:53 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:28 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:44 am Plus the war in Ukraine is of far far greater global importance than whatever happens in the West Bank

How is the war in Ukraine of "greater global importance" than what happens in Israel? I'm asking genuinely here. Why should Latin Americans or Africans care about Ukraine?

This seems like a Eurocentric point of view which inflates the importance of the west to the rest of the world.

Israel is the pustule on relations between the middle east and the west so yeah, it's kind of important.

Am amazed that folks who can clearly see that Russia grabbing land that doesn't belong to it is wrong, struggle to see the same when it's Israel cosplaying as a western nation doing the same thing.

To draw a comparison, think how we might feel if Ukraine attacked Russia and then lost land in the subsequent battle.


Would you still go in to bat for them?

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:21 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:53 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:28 pm

How is the war in Ukraine of "greater global importance" than what happens in Israel? I'm asking genuinely here. Why should Latin Americans or Africans care about Ukraine?

This seems like a Eurocentric point of view which inflates the importance of the west to the rest of the world.

Israel is the pustule on relations between the middle east and the west so yeah, it's kind of important.

Am amazed that folks who can clearly see that Russia grabbing land that doesn't belong to it is wrong, struggle to see the same when it's Israel cosplaying as a western nation doing the same thing.

To draw a comparison, think how we might feel if Ukraine attacked Russia and then lost land in the subsequent battle.


Would you still go in to bat for them?

Let's draw that comparison a little further... how might we feel about that if Ukraine had been consistently under attack with land being stolen for 80 years.

It's a bloody stupid comparison to try and draw. Israel is clearly in the wrong here and October 7th last year is just one event in a long series of tit for tat atrocities.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:21 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:53 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:28 pm

How is the war in Ukraine of "greater global importance" than what happens in Israel? I'm asking genuinely here. Why should Latin Americans or Africans care about Ukraine?

This seems like a Eurocentric point of view which inflates the importance of the west to the rest of the world.

Israel is the pustule on relations between the middle east and the west so yeah, it's kind of important.

Am amazed that folks who can clearly see that Russia grabbing land that doesn't belong to it is wrong, struggle to see the same when it's Israel cosplaying as a western nation doing the same thing.

To draw a comparison, think how we might feel if Ukraine attacked Russia and then lost land in the subsequent battle.


Would you still go in to bat for them?

If Russia had taken over the land that is now Ukraine and corralled most of Ukrainian population into tiny pockets of land subject to constant encroachment and harassment by Russian settlers and military, then yes I absolutely would.

Also please inform us when a genuine state called Palestine attacked Israel?

They've tried soooo hard to minimise casualties:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... za-injured

Will this make any difference?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ourt-finds

epwc wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:00 pm Will this make any difference?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ourt-finds

Rhetorical question, surely.

Advertising while Palestinian?
https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/art ... rom-israel

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:15 am Advertising while Palestinian?
https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/art ... rom-israel

How does Israel have that kind of clout?

There cannot be another country of that size and population that can pull strings like Israel can. A Palestinian-American model pulled from an ad campaign after one phone call.

One of the most startling things about modern Israel is how right wing and extreme the youth are. It's very evident with the folks we work with.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ccarthyite