NPR

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:36 am**

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:33 am Steve Baker just on the radio saying the NI deal will allow us to ‘move past this awful populism we’ve suffered from’.

The brass neck of these cunts.

Obviously prefers the prestige and trappings of being a Minister of the Crown rather than being a swivel-eyed headbanger in the ERG
Not sure what his old mates will think of him now

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:13 am**

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:36 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:33 am Steve Baker just on the radio saying the NI deal will allow us to ‘move past this awful populism we’ve suffered from’.

The brass neck of these cunts.
Obviously prefers the prestige and trappings of being a Minister of the Crown rather than being a swivel-eyed headbanger in the ERG
Not sure what his old mates will think of him now

'Party in Gov partially repairs feck up of Brexit deal that same party in Gov made years ago'!

I suspect the EU told Head Boy Sunak that the likes of Baker and the other ERG headbangers were to be allowed nowhere near negotiations. They have said as much when saying the difference this time is that trust has been established and that they are confident that the UK will implement the new deal as promised, subject to getting it through HoC. The implied criticism of the Blonde Bumblecunt, ex whisky salesman Frost and the likes of Baker/ERG is pretty damning.

Let's be clear though, Sunak had no option but to get a deal, he was backed into a corner. The US was putting enormous pressure on UK to get deal prior to the 25th anniversary of the GFA and the EU were quite happy to get into a trade war if the NIP Bill went through parliament. We had no hope of any improved trade deals with anyone of note without a new NIP. The UK economy is tanking and it needed a deal desperately to boost confidence and investment plus it desperately needed to be taken back into the Horizon programme, etc. Thanks to the numpties previously. in charge we were backed trembling into the corner with nowhere to go. We are on our knees economically and politically. The Blonde Bumbelcunts solution of the NIP Bill was illegal as per advice from our current AG contrary to the bum advice provided by the twat junior conveyancing lawyer Braverman. Sunak's one saving grace is that he is a realist and a pragmatist and he knew if he had any chance of surviving as Prefect and Head Boy then he needed a deal quickly and to be fair he got one. However to paint this as a Tory Gov victory is a farce, it has merely pulled us back from a self imposed cliff edge and self imposed economic disaster!

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:30 am**

dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:13 am
SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:36 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:33 am Steve Baker just on the radio saying the NI deal will allow us to ‘move past this awful populism we’ve suffered from’.

The brass neck of these cunts.
Obviously prefers the prestige and trappings of being a Minister of the Crown rather than being a swivel-eyed headbanger in the ERG
Not sure what his old mates will think of him now
'Party in Gov partially repairs feck up of Brexit deal that same party in Gov made years ago'!

I suspect the EU told Head Boy Sunak that the likes of Baker and the other ERG headbangers were to be allowed nowhere near negotiations. They have said as much when saying the difference this time is that trust has been established and that they are confident that the UK will implement the new deal as promised, subject to getting it through HoC. The implied criticism of the Blonde Bumblecunt, ex whisky salesman Frost and the likes of Baker/ERG is pretty damning.

Let's be clear though, Sunak had no option but to get a deal, he was backed into a corner. The US was putting enormous pressure on UK to get deal prior to the 25th anniversary of the GFA and the EU were quite happy to get into a trade war if the NIP Bill went through parliament. We had no hope of any improved trade deals with anyone of note without a new NIP. The UK economy is tanking and it needed a deal desperately to boost confidence and investment plus it desperately needed to be taken back into the Horizon programme, etc. Thanks to the numpties previously. in charge we were backed trembling into the corner with nowhere to go. We are on our knees economically and politically. The Blonde Bumbelcunts solution of the NIP Bill was illegal as per advice from our current AG contrary to the bum advice provided by the twat junior conveyancing lawyer Braverman. Sunak's one saving grace is that he is a realist and a pragmatist and he knew if he had any chance of surviving as Prefect and Head Boy then he needed a deal quickly and to be fair he got one. However to paint this as a Tory Gov victory is a farce, it has merely pulled us back from a self imposed cliff edge and self imposed economic disaster!

Lest we forget. Sunak was fully paid up member of the Brexit brigade and was a compliant placeman chancellor that Johnson (and Cummings) appointed after Javid resigned due to the strings they attached to the job. As Sunak tries to bask in the glory of his magnificent achievement I'm sure that Starmer and the Labour party will be reminding him just what damage has been done to our standing and economy

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:43 am**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:03 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:47 pm Guaranteed the Boris Brexit psychopaths will actually read this one, to pick holes in it, before voting against it.
Yep !

The DUP aren't going to vote for this, they can't !

Everyone in GB talks about the DUP as if it isn't as divided as every other Political Party.

1. Peanut brain Ian, & Shouty Sammy aren't going to vote for it, because they both think that microbe brain Ian should be Leader.
2. The DUP didn't walk out of the assembly because they object to the NIP; they walked out because they're bigots, & they have fought against Nationalists having any Political power since the foundation of the Party. If it was Ian Sr still running the Party, he could convince the grass roots to trust him, & if anyone dared to call him a Lundy, he'd rip off their heads & shit down their neck.

Robinson is a weak leader, & has the personality of used car salesman, & if he wants to stay in post, he'll vote against this, claim betrayal, & come up with a different reason for not taking their seats in the Assembly.

This.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:20 pm**

I'm not sure I buy the argument that the DUP are looking for an excuse not to powershare with a SF FM.

Its a view that has been popularised in the southern media but ots an opinion that has its basis in the popular portrayal of the DUP as dinosaurs, not in their actions or words.

The longer the DUP abstain from forming an executive, the more support they will lose imo. So its not in their long term interest to refuse to sit under a SF FM. Anyone that thought the DUP were competent politicians (not sure how/why anyone would tbh) will be either turning their votes over to Alliance (if they are moderates) or the TUV (if they are headbangers).

For what its worth, I think the DUP are a bunch of self-righteous cunts and am very much enjoying them making tits of themselves.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:31 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:25 pm You have to draw the line as to what it is acceptable to elect. Sammy Wilson is that line

Sadly "Show Us Your Arse" Sammy is my MP

He knocked on my door a few years ago before an election, saying that we needed to support Theresa May get her Brexit deal through parliament, then the DUP cunts stabbed her in the back.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:58 pm**

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:20 pm I'm not sure I buy the argument that the DUP are looking for an excuse not to powershare with a SF FM.

Its a view that has been popularised in the southern media but ots an opinion that has its basis in the popular portrayal of the DUP as dinosaurs, not in their actions or words.

The longer the DUP abstain from forming an executive, the more support they will lose imo. So its not in their long term interest to refuse to sit under a SF FM. Anyone that thought the DUP were competent politicians (not sure how/why anyone would tbh) will be either turning their votes over to Alliance (if they are moderates) or the TUV (if they are headbangers).

For what its worth, I think the DUP are a bunch of self-righteous cunts and am very much enjoying them making tits of themselves.

You may be mistaking them for rational actors rather than paranoid fucking lunatics

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:18 pm**

I enjoyed a clip of Supergrifter and ubercunt Richard Tuce raging about the betrayal of Brexit and the fact that we were supposed to be marching to a brave new world of low tax and fuck all regulations.

I hope he and his social media gob for hire other half get the clap.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:32 am**

Congrats Tories - you did it LOL

Brexit: British public trusts EU more than UK parliament, poll finds

The British public has more confidence in the EU than the UK parliament, a new survey has found in a remarkable turnaround of a trend lasting decades.

Confidence in the Westminster parliament has plummeted 10 points to just 22 per cent since the Brexit referendum.

Although the popularity of the EU has lagged behind parliament among Britons since the early 1980s, confidence in Brussels has shot up seven points to 39 per cent since Brexit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 10692.html

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:05 am**

UK-Asia trade deal to boost UK economy by 0.08% (£1.8 Bn - once it's been up and running for .... 10 years - a whopping £26 per capita)

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:43 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:05 am
UK-Asia trade deal to boost UK economy by 0.08% (£1.8 Bn - once it's been up and running for .... 10 years - a whopping £26 per capita)

So we need c50 trade deals of the equivalent of this one to make up for the 4% loss of GDP to the economy due to Brexit?

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:56 pm**

What “making your own rules and regulations” actually means is staying up til 1am to be told what to do by Malaysia and then selling it as a big win.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:10 am**

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65151700

Sunlit uplands in Dover!

The UK Gov must realise that the proposed biometric checks can't possibly go ahead in November this year/early 2024. Also remember that the UK has still to introduce full customs checks on inward goods etc from EU. The whole of the UK ferry/rail systems will be completely clogged up and the hit on the economy will be huge! I fully expect a complete climb down and some form of freedom of movement and agreement on movement of goods will be reintroduced this year. Otherwise expect even bigger carnage at next election - what worries the Tories more economic hits and outcry at the borders or small boats and Farage/Tice? Rock and a hard place for Sunak albeit with a nice warm swimming pool.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:37 am**

dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:10 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65151700

Sunlit uplands in Dover!

The UK Gov must realise that the proposed biometric checks can't possibly go ahead in November this year/early 2024. Also remember that the UK has still to introduce full customs checks on inward goods etc from EU. The whole of the UK ferry/rail systems will be completely clogged up and the hit on the economy will be huge! I fully expect a complete climb down and some form of freedom of movement and agreement on movement of goods will be reintroduced this year. Otherwise expect even bigger carnage at next election - what worries the Tories more economic hits and outcry at the borders or small boats and Farage/Tice? Rock and a hard place for Sunak albeit with a nice warm swimming pool.

This just isn't possible.

You're in the single market, or you aren't !; you're in the customs union, or you aren't !

Even if you go for a Norway option, it'll take years, & you'll still have checks; & Norway put the effort in to putting in the logistics & staff necessary to make their borders as painless as possible, ditto the Swiss. The problem in the UK was the Tories denied the problem, put the thickest fucks in key positions, & did 1% of what was the bare minimum necessary to have functional borders.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 2:23 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:26 am
dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:10 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65151700

Sunlit uplands in Dover!

The UK Gov must realise that the proposed biometric checks can't possibly go ahead in November this year/early 2024. Also remember that the UK has still to introduce full customs checks on inward goods etc from EU. The whole of the UK ferry/rail systems will be completely clogged up and the hit on the economy will be huge! I fully expect a complete climb down and some form of freedom of movement and agreement on movement of goods will be reintroduced this year. Otherwise expect even bigger carnage at next election - what worries the Tories more economic hits and outcry at the borders or small boats and Farage/Tice? Rock and a hard place for Sunak albeit with a nice warm swimming pool.
This is fucking brilliant from Dobby. The delays are caused while passports are checked post Brexit but its not Brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-14-hours

Someone has worked out that you are better off just lying to the masses faces on the internet. It will land with enough and cause enough confusion to work. Its not a coincidence that politicians are all at it these days. A lie but not nearly as serious as Dobbys in the time of a less diffused media would have had her head on the block but the volume of bullshit these days dilutes it all.

That someone is Steve Bannon. "Flood the zone with shit".

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:50 pm**

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:43 am
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:05 am
UK-Asia trade deal to boost UK economy by 0.08% (£1.8 Bn - once it's been up and running for .... 10 years - a whopping £26 per capita)

So we need c50 trade deals of the equivalent of this one to make up for the 4% loss of GDP to the economy due to Brexit?

The CPTPP outcome, exposes a lot of the Brexiter arguments as bullshit.

How much it actually adds to the UK economy (the UK already has trade deals with 9 of the 11, guessing a combination of rollover EU deals and some new ones on not great terms like Aus), can be ignored really. Although the forecast is it adds next to nothing to the UK's GDP.

It's how the Brexiters are pumping it up that's interesting. Suddenly being in partnership with multiple other countries is great, Sunak is hyping it being a deal with 11 countries etc. But there's a bit of a problem with all this, crudely and without getting deeply into it there's two arguments about what drives trade (and so the value of transnational agreements). The gravity model and the integration model. Either nations are trading a lot with eachother because they're close geographically, or because their laws and regulations/governance/institutions are highly interconnected. The USA is an example of the maximum of both, the EU isn't a federal state so doesn't actually have maximum integration. It's not possible for both gravity and integration to fail to explain trade, there is no "random model of trade".

What the Brexiters are now saying is "multilateralism is really great, the more countries in deals we make the better! Just not with Europe". Joining the CPTPP is an explicit rejection of the gravity model, that simple geographic proximity makes nations trade with eachother more and the rest is largely bullshit (using an extreme summary). But it's also an endorsement of the integration model, if geographic proximity is irrelevant then integration is what Brexiters are now going with. 600 pages of CPTPP law has just become UK law without any vote in parliament, there is now a CPTPP legal process (the Investor State Dispute Settlement/ISDS tribunal) that sits above UK courts which in principle is little different to the Brexiter's objection to the ECJ (which still has jurisdiction in NI).

So this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But it gets worse.

The UK is a services economy, the TCA with the EU doesn't do much on services. Likewise CPTPP is heavily goods focused and the services elements it has relies on the ISDS for enforcement. Ignoring that the CPTPP isn't in a friendly time zone for services, the only way for the UK to expand into those markets in a significant way is through a maximal integration model (at least equal to what the EU has, given the geographic distance). Laws need to become the same or similar in each country for services to be exported at greater scale, with a court to rule on disputes. This means streamlining a communist dictatorship in Vietnam, an absolute monarchy in Brunei, a democracy in Japan which since WW2 has only once not elected the same party, an imperpect and corrupted Mexican democracy ... this is quite an odd collection of countries with not much in common (not even simple geography). Basically the chances of integrating all this aren't great. If it happens the logical route would be adopting the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) framework, a group including some CPTPP members which is attempting to literally copy the EU.

But it gets worse still. The commonality of many of the CPTPP countries is deep economic ties with China. Many of the CPTPP countries are also in the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), a 14 nation group headed by China. Both Aus and NZ are in CPTPP and RCEP. China has applied to join CPTPP. So the UK will potentially again be a stick in a the mud just this time on the other side of the world and not in Europe, CPTPP potentially ends up wanting China whilst the the UK opposes it. CPTPP potentially ends up wanting deeper integration whilst the UK opposes it (the geographic spread of countries probably makes this impossible anyway). If the UK goes the other way and deepens economic ties with China, then it ends up in the bizarre place the Aussies have of throwing their whole economy in with China and also opposing China militarily, AUKUS hints at this.

CPTPP looks suspiciously like 18 team Super Rugby spread over four continents and multiple incompatible time zones. RCEP and ASEAN look a lot more focused and where the real action is in that part of the world.

... Fuck knows where the Brexiters are taking the UK, joining CPTPP invalidates a lot of their own arguments on first principles.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 6:08 pm**

I've (foolishly) just spent an hour browsing Twitter to see how the Brexiters were justifying all this and somehow squaring it with their past positions:

1. Arguments based on the economic size of the CPTPP. The big problem is a lot of the numbers thrown around include the UK's own economy in the CPTPP total. The UK has not signed a new trade deal with itself. The other problem is that this CPTPP GDP total is then put next to the EU GDP total. But one of these has a Single Market and Customs Union, the other does not. Not much use in a big GDP total if from the UK's position it's a series of walled gardens (not in ASEAN etc).

2. Quite madly they're again arguing economic gravity does not exist. That countries don't disproportionately trade with those closest to them. Every country they mention, I look up and it turns out they're talking bollocks.

3. That because the UK has a services based economy, that means distance is irrelevant. But how is a trucking company going to make JIT deliveries to Vietnam? How does a company that rents out event equipment going to service Malaysia from the UK (other than by moving there and paying taxes there)? Really they just mean digital/finance, so how is there consumer protection between one CPTPP market and another? What does a UK services company do if they complete a contract for someone in Mexico and the Mexican tells them to get fucked they're not paying, or the reverse and someone in the UK buys something they do not get?

I cannot believe we're 7 years into this and these morons are still banging away, desperately trying to get the square peg into the round hole.

Posted: **Tue Apr 11, 2023 5:01 pm**

BBC Headline news...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65240749

UK to be one of worst performing economies this year, predicts IMF

Set to perform worse than sanction hit Russia!

and somehow they manage to miss mentioning all the winning Brexit independence et al as a contributing factor

Posted: **Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:12 pm**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 5:01 pm BBC Headline news...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65240749

UK to be one of worst performing economies this year, predicts IMF
Set to perform worse than sanction hit Russia!

and somehow they manage to miss mentioning all the winning Brexit independence et al as a contributing factor

Don't worry, the Tories still have more than a year to go, I'm sure they drive your economy even further into to mire

Posted: **Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:19 pm**

Another British icon, the Orient Express, will no longer be running in Britain due to Brexit. It will now start in France

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2023 ... dApp_Other

Posted: **Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:55 am**

Does anyone remember "Accept you will be poorer" on the side of the bus?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65308769

Posted: **Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:52 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:19 pm Another British icon, the Orient Express, will no longer be running in Britain due to Brexit. It will now start in France

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2023 ... dApp_Other

No problem! After the last couple of years I'm far too skint to afford it.

Posted: **Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:49 pm**

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:52 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:19 pm Another British icon, the Orient Express, will no longer be running in Britain due to Brexit. It will now start in France

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2023 ... dApp_Other
No problem! After the last couple of years I'm far too skint to afford it.

Reduces your chances of being murdered as well.

Posted: **Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:56 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:49 pm
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:52 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:19 pm Another British icon, the Orient Express, will no longer be running in Britain due to Brexit. It will now start in France

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2023 ... dApp_Other
No problem! After the last couple of years I'm far too skint to afford it.
Reduces your chances of being murdered as well.

Only if you're Johnny Depp

Posted: **Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:06 pm**

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:56 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:49 pm
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:52 pm
No problem! After the last couple of years I'm far too skint to afford it.
Reduces your chances of being murdered as well.
Only if you're Richard Widmark.

Fixed.

Posted: **Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:41 am**

Yes, Brexit failures are a "mind virus"

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 7:30 am**

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65546319

Brexit: Ministers to ditch deadline to scrap retained EU laws

The government has ditched its plan for thousands of EU-era laws to expire automatically at the end of the year.

The plan - dubbed a post-Brexit bonfire - would see laws that were copied over to the UK after Brexit vanish, unless specifically kept or replaced.

Critics of the bill had voiced concern that it could lead to important legislation falling away by accident.

But the climbdown is likely to trigger anger from Brexit-backing Conservative MPs and members of the House of Lords.

Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch said the cut-off point would be replaced with a list of 600 laws the government wants to replace by the end of the year.

In a statement, she said the change would be made through an amendment when the Retained EU Law Bill returns to Parliament next week.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 7:46 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:30 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65546319

Brexit: Ministers to ditch deadline to scrap retained EU laws

The government has ditched its plan for thousands of EU-era laws to expire automatically at the end of the year.

The plan - dubbed a post-Brexit bonfire - would see laws that were copied over to the UK after Brexit vanish, unless specifically kept or replaced.

Critics of the bill had voiced concern that it could lead to important legislation falling away by accident.

But the climbdown is likely to trigger anger from Brexit-backing Conservative MPs and members of the House of Lords.

Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch said the cut-off point would be replaced with a list of 600 laws the government wants to replace by the end of the year.

In a statement, she said the change would be made through an amendment when the Retained EU Law Bill returns to Parliament next week.

No feckin option - legal advice was absolutely clear, do this and you will shit your pants and crash the economy! The 600 laws to be replaced will be interesting and will show us the real reason for Brexit - the deregulation of key aspects of employment, environmental, and financial world and a free for all for big businesses. This will still end in a blood bath.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 7:59 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:30 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65546319

Brexit: Ministers to ditch deadline to scrap retained EU laws

The government has ditched its plan for thousands of EU-era laws to expire automatically at the end of the year.

The plan - dubbed a post-Brexit bonfire - would see laws that were copied over to the UK after Brexit vanish, unless specifically kept or replaced.

Critics of the bill had voiced concern that it could lead to important legislation falling away by accident.

But the climbdown is likely to trigger anger from Brexit-backing Conservative MPs and members of the House of Lords.

Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch said the cut-off point would be replaced with a list of 600 laws the government wants to replace by the end of the year.

In a statement, she said the change would be made through an amendment when the Retained EU Law Bill returns to Parliament next week.

The Brexiteers are of course frothing about this betrayal. In a way this is emblematic of the whole Brexit project for me. It's a neat soundbite that appeals to a certain segment of the population ("bonfire of EU red tape") that may or may not have good outcomes (actually in theory we could streamline legislation and ensure that it's more appropriate for British needs) but it's something that would be an absolute ballache to manage and implement (it's a big complex project that requires a massive amount of extra resources).

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 8:11 am**

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:59 am
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:30 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65546319

Brexit: Ministers to ditch deadline to scrap retained EU laws

The government has ditched its plan for thousands of EU-era laws to expire automatically at the end of the year.

The plan - dubbed a post-Brexit bonfire - would see laws that were copied over to the UK after Brexit vanish, unless specifically kept or replaced.

Critics of the bill had voiced concern that it could lead to important legislation falling away by accident.

But the climbdown is likely to trigger anger from Brexit-backing Conservative MPs and members of the House of Lords.

Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch said the cut-off point would be replaced with a list of 600 laws the government wants to replace by the end of the year.

In a statement, she said the change would be made through an amendment when the Retained EU Law Bill returns to Parliament next week.

The Brexiteers are of course frothing about this betrayal. In a way this is emblematic of the whole Brexit project for me. It's a neat soundbite that appeals to a certain segment of the population ("bonfire of EU red tape") that may or may not have good outcomes (actually in theory we could streamline legislation and ensure that it's more appropriate for British needs) but it's something that would be an absolute ballache to manage and implement (it's a big complex project that requires a massive amount of extra resources).

Well, as we know, doing something irrational in the name of Brexit > admitting that anything about the EU is remotely beneficial

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 8:13 am**

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:59 am
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:30 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65546319

Brexit: Ministers to ditch deadline to scrap retained EU laws

The government has ditched its plan for thousands of EU-era laws to expire automatically at the end of the year.

The plan - dubbed a post-Brexit bonfire - would see laws that were copied over to the UK after Brexit vanish, unless specifically kept or replaced.

Critics of the bill had voiced concern that it could lead to important legislation falling away by accident.

But the climbdown is likely to trigger anger from Brexit-backing Conservative MPs and members of the House of Lords.

Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch said the cut-off point would be replaced with a list of 600 laws the government wants to replace by the end of the year.

In a statement, she said the change would be made through an amendment when the Retained EU Law Bill returns to Parliament next week.

The Brexiteers are of course frothing about this betrayal. In a way this is emblematic of the whole Brexit project for me. It's a neat soundbite that appeals to a certain segment of the population ("bonfire of EU red tape") that may or may not have good outcomes (actually in theory we could streamline legislation and ensure that it's more appropriate for British needs) but it's something that would be an absolute ballache to manage and implement (it's a big complex project that requires a massive amount of extra resources).

Professor Michael Dougan M.A. (Cantab), Ph.D (Cantab). Professor of European Law and Jean Monnet Chair in EU Law at Liverpool University made several videos on youtube outlining just how complex a job it would be. This was before the vote.

Of course he was dismissed as being part of Remainer Project Fear

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 9:06 am**

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:46 am
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:30 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65546319

Brexit: Ministers to ditch deadline to scrap retained EU laws

The government has ditched its plan for thousands of EU-era laws to expire automatically at the end of the year.

The plan - dubbed a post-Brexit bonfire - would see laws that were copied over to the UK after Brexit vanish, unless specifically kept or replaced.

Critics of the bill had voiced concern that it could lead to important legislation falling away by accident.

But the climbdown is likely to trigger anger from Brexit-backing Conservative MPs and members of the House of Lords.

Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch said the cut-off point would be replaced with a list of 600 laws the government wants to replace by the end of the year.

In a statement, she said the change would be made through an amendment when the Retained EU Law Bill returns to Parliament next week.

No feckin option - legal advice was absolutely clear, do this and you will shit your pants and crash the economy! The 600 laws to be replaced will be interesting and will show us the real reason for Brexit - the deregulation of key aspects of employment, environmental, and financial world and a free for all for big businesses. This will still end in a blood bath.

The real problem of looking at many of these in detail is the British public will actually agree with them and want to keep them. The point was to remove them without scrutiny.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 9:36 am**

It's not the government's fault.........it's Whitehall's

Badenoch says retained EU laws can't be abolished by end of 2023 because 'Whitehall' uncooperative

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 9:51 am**

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:36 am It's not the government's fault.........it's Whitehall's
Badenoch says retained EU laws can't be abolished by end of 2023 because 'Whitehall' uncooperative

Translation: Whitehall saves UK Government from making a complete arse of itself agan

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 10:37 am**

The real problem is these work shy MPs would have to work 24/7 to the end of the year to replace so many of the Laws. They just need someone else to blame before they fuck off on their 3-month summer holiday.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 9:44 pm**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:37 am The real problem is these work shy MPs would have to work 24/7 to the end of the year to replace so many of the Laws. They just need someone else to blame before they fuck off on their 3-month summer holiday.

Well that & the fact that they don't have a fucking clue exactly how many laws they're talking about scrapping !

I mean they talk about 5 or 6k laws, but credible experts say the margin of error could be another couple of thousand laws.

So one day your business could be legal & exporting millions of pounds worth of goods, & then the next day one of your suppliers could decide to take advantage of asbestos suddenly becoming legal again, but doesn't let you know they've worked out how to increase their margin, & you're fucked.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 10:04 am**

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65616188

Eleven million Britons struggling to pay bills

The number of adults struggling to pay their bills and debts has soared to nearly 11 million, new figures show.

Some 3.1 million more people faced difficulties in January than they did in May last year, the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) said.

It found that 11% of adults had missed a bill or loan payment in at least three of the previous six months.

The FCA encouraged people to ask for help as household budgets were squeezed by the rising cost of living.

"Our research highlights the real impact the rising cost of living is having on people's ability to keep up with their bills, although we are pleased to see that people have been accessing help and advice," said Sheldon Mills, its executive director of consumers and competition.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 10:23 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:04 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65616188

Eleven million Britons struggling to pay bills

The number of adults struggling to pay their bills and debts has soared to nearly 11 million, new figures show.

Some 3.1 million more people faced difficulties in January than they did in May last year, the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) said.

It found that 11% of adults had missed a bill or loan payment in at least three of the previous six months.

The FCA encouraged people to ask for help as household budgets were squeezed by the rising cost of living.

"Our research highlights the real impact the rising cost of living is having on people's ability to keep up with their bills, although we are pleased to see that people have been accessing help and advice," said Sheldon Mills, its executive director of consumers and competition.

Pfft, we can just use sovereignty to pay bills, innit?

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 12:21 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:23 am
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:04 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65616188

Eleven million Britons struggling to pay bills

The number of adults struggling to pay their bills and debts has soared to nearly 11 million, new figures show.

Some 3.1 million more people faced difficulties in January than they did in May last year, the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) said.

It found that 11% of adults had missed a bill or loan payment in at least three of the previous six months.

The FCA encouraged people to ask for help as household budgets were squeezed by the rising cost of living.

"Our research highlights the real impact the rising cost of living is having on people's ability to keep up with their bills, although we are pleased to see that people have been accessing help and advice," said Sheldon Mills, its executive director of consumers and competition.

Pfft, we can just use sovereignty to pay bills, innit?

If it’s not in pounds sterling it’s not real money so it doesn’t count, does it.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 1:00 pm**

Well it just took a few years for them to get fed up waiting for some semblance of reason to break out in the Tory party.

Vauxhall-maker warns Brexit may force it to close UK factory

One of the world's biggest carmakers has warned it may have to close UK factories if the government does not renegotiate the Brexit deal.

Stellantis, which owns Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroen and Fiat, had committed to making electric cars in the UK, but says that is under threat.

It warned it could face tariffs of 10% on exports to the EU due to rules on where parts are sourced from.

The government said it was "determined" UK car making will remain competitive.

"If the cost of electric vehicle manufacturing in the UK becomes uncompetitive and unsustainable, operations will close," Stellantis said.

It is the first time a car firm has openly called on the government to renegotiate the terms of the Brexit trade deal.

Stellantis called on ministers to come to an agreement with the EU to keep rules as they are until 2027, and it also wants arrangements for manufacturing parts in Serbia and Morocco to be reviewed.

Just two years ago, the world's fourth biggest car maker said the future of its Ellesmere Port and Luton plants was secure.

But in a submission to a Commons inquiry into electric car production, the firm said current trade rules posed a "threat to our export business and the sustainability of our UK manufacturing operations".
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65612295

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