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Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:51 am
by Enzedder
Bokkom wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:20 pm
Due to Covid travel restrictions the US will now have to stage coups at home
I suppose if we look back on the Trump years, we won't remember that he kept them out of conflict for his whole term. I thought Iram and North Korea was going to test them but he kept his powder dry.
Probably just couldn't be arsed making the decisions but it was one positive.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:13 am
by Rinkals
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:51 am
Bokkom wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:20 pm
Due to Covid travel restrictions the US will now have to stage coups at home
I suppose if we look back on the Trump years, we won't remember that he kept them out of conflict for his whole term. I thought Iram and North Korea was going to test them but he kept his powder dry.
Probably just couldn't be arsed making the decisions but it was one positive.
I suppose that both Iran and North Korea can be regarded as indicators of the success of Trump's foreign policy with regard to their development of nuclear weapons.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:45 am
by Lemoentjie
Alexei Navalny criticises Trump Twitter ban:
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-dissident ... a-56183293
The Kremlin critic said the precedent will be exploited by the enemies of freedom of speech around the world.
Are NPR's neolibs starting to get the message now it comes from their Russian poster boy?
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:01 am
by Rinkals
Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:45 am
Alexei Navalny criticises Trump Twitter ban:
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-dissident ... a-56183293
The Kremlin critic said the precedent will be exploited by the enemies of freedom of speech around the world.
Are NPR's neolibs starting to get the message now it comes from their Russian poster boy?
Sorry?
Who are you lecturing to?
I don't think anyone likes to see people banned from expressing themselves, even "NPT neolibs", but Twitter is a private company who have a published terms of use which you agree to when you sign up.
I think it's fair to say that spreading outright lies in the hope of fomenting an insurrection contravenes those terms.
No matter how much you might want to believe that the lies are true.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:17 am
by Kiwias
Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:45 am
Alexei Navalny criticises Trump Twitter ban:
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-dissident ... a-56183293
The Kremlin critic said the precedent will be exploited by the enemies of freedom of speech around the world.
Are NPR's neolibs starting to get the message now it comes from their Russian poster boy?
Trump has only to walk a few steps to his press room where there are live tv cameras and a room full of journalists.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:21 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
Kiwias wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:17 am
Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:45 am
Alexei Navalny criticises Trump Twitter ban:
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-dissident ... a-56183293
The Kremlin critic said the precedent will be exploited by the enemies of freedom of speech around the world.
Are NPR's neolibs starting to get the message now it comes from their Russian poster boy?
Trump has only to walk a few steps to his press room where there are live tv cameras and a room full of journalists.
And as Trump noted, he doesn't use social media, he uses Trump media. One would suppose he hasn't banned himself from his own media, whatever it is he's alluding to
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:50 pm
by Niegs
Kiwias wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:17 am
Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:45 am
Alexei Navalny criticises Trump Twitter ban:
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-dissident ... a-56183293
The Kremlin critic said the precedent will be exploited by the enemies of freedom of speech around the world.
Are NPR's neolibs starting to get the message now it comes from their Russian poster boy?
Trump has only to walk a few steps to his press room where there are live tv cameras and a room full of journalists.
It's hilarious how they're so fixated on twitter despite that. They could even go with a private website, surely, and his cult followers would just share it around social media (and the proper media would report on it as well).
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:49 pm
by Rinkals
Maybe the solution would be to ban all leaders of political parties and/or cults.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:53 pm
by fishfoodie
The, "Law & Order" Party.
The Shitgibbon has not yet said one word of sympathy for the murdered Police Officer; &
will not permit the lowering of the WH Flag to half staff.
At the same time; he has made multiple statements of support & love, for the mob that murdered him !
But the GOP can't decide if he is unfit for Office
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:47 pm
by Hal Jordan
They should throw the book at him. Nothing they can do is going to appease his cult and nothing they can do will make them any more riled up, so they may as well lance the boil before this becomes the Beer Hall Putsch before the Reichstag fire, because that's where America is headed if the Democrats get wishy washy and try to work with people who erected a fucking gallows in front of the Capitol.
Lots of silence from the Blue Lives Matter brigade, too.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:53 pm
by fishfoodie
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:47 pm
They should throw the book at him. Nothing they can do is going to appease his cult and nothing they can do will make them any more riled up, so they may as well lance the boil before this becomes the Beer Hall Putsch before the Reichstag fire, because that's where America is headed if the Democrats get wishy washy and try to work with people who erected a fucking gallows in front of the Capitol.
Lots of silence from the Blue Lives Matter brigade, too.
Well don't expect the GOP to do anything.
Pence hasn't spoken to the Shitgibbon since Wednesday, & when the DNC leaders tried to speak to him; he left them on hold for 25 minutes, before having his minion tell them he wouldn't speak to them.
The cowardly fuck doesn't seem to register that it was him that gallows was for.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:34 pm
by Raggs
Don't know if this has been posted, but haven't seen it:
Well worth watching. Maybe not to the end, but the start is definitely good.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:31 pm
by Uncle fester
Came here to post that.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:50 pm
by Sandstorm
Conan
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:28 pm
by dkm57
I'm not a Septic but that was pretty on point
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:09 pm
by Fangle
I honestly didn’t think that could and would happen. I was so wrong, and so terribly disappointed and completely pissed off.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:21 pm
by Guy Smiley
Fangle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:09 pm
I honestly didn’t think that could and would happen. I was so wrong, and so terribly disappointed and completely pissed off.
I imagine you are one of many sharing that sentiment, Fangle.
I have the perception that US citizens maintain an almost innocent faith in their political system under the guise of ‘democracy’. It’s regularly held up as a sort of sacred entity. Politicians regularly invoke the name of democracy in their speeches, etc. I wonder if this latest fiasco from Trump and his enablers will awaken a greater interest or participation in politics within the US? Outside the States, cynicsm rules and the crimes of the inept are accepted or ignored.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm
by C69
dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:28 pm
I'm not a Septic but that was pretty on point
Pretty decent appraisal from Arnie tbh
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:27 pm
by Rinkals
Fangle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:09 pm
I honestly didn’t think that could and would happen. I was so wrong, and so terribly disappointed and completely pissed off.
Just interested to know how most Americans feel about this.
Should Trump be held to account?
Or should the fact that there are only a few days left mean that, in the interests of unity, no action should be taken.
Do you believe that Trump called for the assault on the Capitol?
Do you think that the election was stolen and that the invasion of the Capitol was justified as a "1st Amendment Protest" (as the Pentagon are apparently calling it)?
Just over 74 million Americans voted for Trump. If the vote were rerun, would that number still hold true? or would a significant number be likely to change their vote?
My own view is that Trump deliberately cocked a loaded gun and sent it up the Hill. He replaced key Pentagon personnel a few weeks before and declined to call in the National guard who were standing by but not authorised intervene. Trump's message for the rioters to "go home" was obviously made under duress and included praise for those taking part.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:32 pm
by fishfoodie
Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:21 pm
Fangle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:09 pm
I honestly didn’t think that could and would happen. I was so wrong, and so terribly disappointed and completely pissed off.
I imagine you are one of many sharing that sentiment, Fangle.
I have the perception that US citizens maintain an almost innocent faith in their political system under the guise of ‘democracy’. It’s regularly held up as a sort of sacred entity. Politicians regularly invoke the name of democracy in their speeches, etc. I wonder if this latest fiasco from Trump and his enablers will awaken a greater interest or participation in politics within the US? Outside the States,
cynicsm rules and the crimes of the inept are accepted or ignored.
And I'd say that is frequently the problem at the highest level of US Politics too !
Sure; if you're a County, or State level Politician; if you do something illegal, there's a good chance you'll pay a price; but look at what Nixon got away with; look at what Agnew got away with !
The ability to pardon is the most dangerous power to give any single person; & time & time again, US Politicians have skated, because of that power. This time
MUST BE DIFFERENT !
Normally it's a bad idea to make decisions when your angry; but in the case of this coup attempt, they should have finished the business of ratifying the votes, & then had a couple of hours recess; & then immediately started the process of impeachment. If the prick wanted to defend himself; let him come to the House, while the broken glass & blood was still on the floors; & the GOP Senators memory of the fear they had huddled under their desks was still fresh.
They could have done the same for scum like Cruz, & expelled those who sought to undermine the election.
All they needed to enter in evidence was the show the video of the speechs made down the street a few hours earlier.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:32 pm
by sockwithaticket
Impeachment's about more than just petty revenge on Trump. Quite aside from it being warranted regardless of the timeline, if successfull my understanding is that, crucially, it guarantees that he cannot run again and he is not financially supported by the taxpayer in the way that other ex-presidents are.
He also would not have Secret Service protection according to an article I read, so that's another way of stopping him from utilising even more taxpayer money than that he's basically embezzled thus far via Mar A Lago etc.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:12 pm
by TB63
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:32 pm
Impeachment's about more than just petty revenge on Trump. Quite aside from it being warranted regardless of the timeline, if successfull my understanding is that, crucially, it guarantees that he cannot run again and he is not financially supported by the taxpayer in the way that other ex-presidents are.
He also would not have Secret Service protection according to an article I read, so that's another way of stopping him from utilising even more taxpayer money than that he's basically embezzled thus far via Mar A Lago etc.
No lifetime pension. (200k per annum)
No lifetime Secret Service protection.
No running for President.
No $1 million travel budget.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:03 pm
by dpedin
Trump has to be impeached, his close team of enablers need to be prosecuted and the mob who sacked the Capitol need to be incarcerated for a long time. This was a deliberate attempt to overthrow the gov and to stop a legitimate and legal election result being implemented. If they dont do this then it opens the door to future attempts by the likes of Cruz et al. If the argument is dont do it because it will enrage Trump supporters then deal with it, otherwise this is exactly what Trump and his cohort of madmen have won! Now is the time for the US to grow a pair!
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:45 pm
by Kiwias
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:31 pm
Came here to post that.
I had just finished watching it and was about to post it here.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:47 pm
by Kiwias
dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:03 pm
Trump has to be impeached, his close team of enablers need to be prosecuted and the mob who sacked the Capitol need to be incarcerated for a long time. This was a deliberate attempt to overthrow the gov and to stop a legitimate and legal election result being implemented. If they dont do this then it opens the door to future attempts by the likes of Cruz et al.
If the argument is dont do it because it will enrage Trump supporters then deal with it, otherwise this is exactly what Trump and his cohort of madmen have won! Now is the time for the US to grow a pair!
They might even get so enraged that they storm the Capitol and try to overthrow a fair and free election to keep their boy in power.
Hang on, they already did that.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:29 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
TB63 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:12 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:32 pm
Impeachment's about more than just petty revenge on Trump. Quite aside from it being warranted regardless of the timeline, if successfull my understanding is that, crucially, it guarantees that he cannot run again and he is not financially supported by the taxpayer in the way that other ex-presidents are.
He also would not have Secret Service protection according to an article I read, so that's another way of stopping him from utilising even more taxpayer money than that he's basically embezzled thus far via Mar A Lago etc.
No lifetime pension. (200k per annum)
No lifetime Secret Service protection.
No running for President.
No $1 million travel budget.
I'd probably want to see him continue to get Secret Service protection, though he should be impeached
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:32 am
by fishfoodie
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:29 am
TB63 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:12 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:32 pm
Impeachment's about more than just petty revenge on Trump. Quite aside from it being warranted regardless of the timeline, if successfull my understanding is that, crucially, it guarantees that he cannot run again and he is not financially supported by the taxpayer in the way that other ex-presidents are.
He also would not have Secret Service protection according to an article I read, so that's another way of stopping him from utilising even more taxpayer money than that he's basically embezzled thus far via Mar A Lago etc.
No lifetime pension. (200k per annum)
No lifetime Secret Service protection.
No running for President.
No $1 million travel budget.
I'd probably want to see him continue to get Secret Service protection, though he should be impeached
Why ?
He's a billionaire; he can afford his own security; plus, according to him he could shoot a person on 5th Ave, & no one would touch him.
He doesn't need the Secret Service. He isn't the kind of person to cower in a bunker, on a pretend inspection; & then order peaceful protestors tear gassed, so he could hold a bible upside down, & pretend to be tough.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:32 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:29 am
TB63 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:12 pm
No lifetime pension. (200k per annum)
No lifetime Secret Service protection.
No running for President.
No $1 million travel budget.
I'd probably want to see him continue to get Secret Service protection, though he should be impeached
Why ?
He's a billionaire; he can afford his own security; plus, according to him he could shoot a person on 5th Ave, & no one would touch him.
He doesn't need the Secret Service. He isn't the kind of person to cower in a bunker, on a pretend inspection; & then order peaceful protestors tear gassed, so he could hold a bible upside down, & pretend to be tough.
I'd want to seem him and his family protected, not to protect them as such but to protect a former first family, and he should be treated equally with other former presidents. I don't tend to like the suggestion the rich ones can pay their own way because you're starting to head down a path of suggesting only rich people need apply.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:44 am
by fishfoodie
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:32 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:29 am
I'd probably want to see him continue to get Secret Service protection, though he should be impeached
Why ?
He's a billionaire; he can afford his own security; plus, according to him he could shoot a person on 5th Ave, & no one would touch him.
He doesn't need the Secret Service. He isn't the kind of person to cower in a bunker, on a pretend inspection; & then order peaceful protestors tear gassed, so he could hold a bible upside down, & pretend to be tough.
I'd want to seem him and his family protected, not to protect them as such but to protect a former first family, and he should be treated equally with other former presidents. I don't tend to like the suggestion the rich ones can pay their own way because you're starting to head down a path of suggesting only rich people need apply.
If they want to be treated equally; they should have behaved equally !
Fuck him & his bastard offspring !
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:53 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:44 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:32 am
Why ?
He's a billionaire; he can afford his own security; plus, according to him he could shoot a person on 5th Ave, & no one would touch him.
He doesn't need the Secret Service. He isn't the kind of person to cower in a bunker, on a pretend inspection; & then order peaceful protestors tear gassed, so he could hold a bible upside down, & pretend to be tough.
I'd want to seem him and his family protected, not to protect them as such but to protect a former first family, and he should be treated equally with other former presidents. I don't tend to like the suggestion the rich ones can pay their own way because you're starting to head down a path of suggesting only rich people need apply.
If they want to be treated equally; they should have behaved equally !
Fuck him & his bastard offspring !
What I would be content to limit is the degree to which the protection detail would cover multiple sites and people in transit. And as regards Trump and some of his children there are some simplifications to be had if say they just stick 'em in jail. But for all I'm not impressed by them he did win an election, and not being willing and able to protect them seems a bit too much. I've no issues with removing the pension, travel budget and barring him from running for high office again.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:38 am
by Guy Smiley
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:53 am
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:44 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am
I'd want to seem him and his family protected, not to protect them as such but to protect a former first family, and he should be treated equally with other former presidents. I don't tend to like the suggestion the rich ones can pay their own way because you're starting to head down a path of suggesting only rich people need apply.
If they want to be treated equally; they should have behaved equally !
Fuck him & his bastard offspring !
What I would be content to limit is the degree to which the protection detail would cover multiple sites and people in transit. And as regards Trump and some of his children there are some simplifications to be had if say they just stick 'em in jail. But for all I'm not impressed by them he did win an election, and not being willing and able to protect them seems a bit too much. I've no issues with removing the pension, travel budget and barring him from running for high office again.
Those are perks resulting from the privilege of holding the position. Grounds for impeachment suggest a betrayal of that privilege. Removal of the perks is fair and reasonable.
You could equate it to draining the swamp.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:39 am
by Rinkals
https://www.businessinsider.com/pentago ... 021-1?IR=T
Pentagon officials sent memos on January 4 and 5 barring DC guardsmen from receiving ammo and riot gear, engaging with protesters (except for self-defense), sharing equipment with local police, and using surveillance or air assets without explicit approval from President Donald Trump's acting Defense Secretary, Christopher Miller, according to The Post.
The additional bureaucratic hurdle delayed the DC National Guard's response after US Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund asked on Wednesday for 200 guardsmen to provide backup — with guardsmen not arriving until 2 1/2 hours later — according to The Post.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:41 am
by Sandstorm
Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:39 am
https://www.businessinsider.com/pentago ... 021-1?IR=T
Pentagon officials sent memos on January 4 and 5 barring DC guardsmen from receiving ammo and riot gear, engaging with protesters (except for self-defense), sharing equipment with local police, and using surveillance or air assets without explicit approval from President Donald Trump's acting Defense Secretary, Christopher Miller, according to The Post.
The additional bureaucratic hurdle delayed the DC National Guard's response after US Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund asked on Wednesday for 200 guardsmen to provide backup — with guardsmen not arriving until 2 1/2 hours later — according to The Post.
MAGA Lives Matter More
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:07 am
by Blake
Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:21 pm
Fangle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:09 pm
I honestly didn’t think that could and would happen. I was so wrong, and so terribly disappointed and completely pissed off.
I imagine you are one of many sharing that sentiment, Fangle.
I have the perception that US citizens maintain an almost innocent faith in their political system under the guise of ‘democracy’. It’s regularly held up as a sort of sacred entity. Politicians regularly invoke the name of democracy in their speeches, etc. I wonder if this latest fiasco from Trump and his enablers will awaken a greater interest or participation in politics within the US? Outside the States, cynicism rules and the crimes of the inept are accepted or ignored.
It's a global problem isn't it. People have become so cynical, disinterested and apathetic when it comes to politics that it has put democracies in peril. The USA is particularly vulnerable because of "American Exceptionalism" and their ardent belief that they are, and will for always be, immune to insurrection. Hopefully the events of last week has dissuaded them from that notion.
There have been many actors that have chipping away at the foundations of their democracy and institutions for decades with impunity without being held to account by their peers and the public. The challenge is going to be to do so now, when it is almost to late, as they already have their army of followers and any calls for accountability will just feed into their persecution complex more.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:33 am
by Blake
TB63 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:12 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:32 pm
Impeachment's about more than just petty revenge on Trump. Quite aside from it being warranted regardless of the timeline, if successfull my understanding is that, crucially, it guarantees that he cannot run again and he is not financially supported by the taxpayer in the way that other ex-presidents are.
He also would not have Secret Service protection according to an article I read, so that's another way of stopping him from utilising even more taxpayer money than that he's basically embezzled thus far via Mar A Lago etc.
No lifetime pension. (200k per annum)
No lifetime Secret Service protection.
No running for President.
No $1 million travel budget.
Most importantly, no National Security Updates, which all former Presidents are apparently getting as well.
Sure, he's not really even attending or paying attention to these while in office, but on principle he shouldn't be getting them as he is a known security risk.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:50 am
by sockwithaticket
Blake wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:07 am
Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:21 pm
Fangle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:09 pm
I honestly didn’t think that could and would happen. I was so wrong, and so terribly disappointed and completely pissed off.
I imagine you are one of many sharing that sentiment, Fangle.
I have the perception that US citizens maintain an almost innocent faith in their political system under the guise of ‘democracy’. It’s regularly held up as a sort of sacred entity. Politicians regularly invoke the name of democracy in their speeches, etc. I wonder if this latest fiasco from Trump and his enablers will awaken a greater interest or participation in politics within the US? Outside the States, cynicism rules and the crimes of the inept are accepted or ignored.
It's a global problem isn't it.
People have become so cynical, disinterested and apathetic when it comes to politics that it has put democracies in peril. The USA is particularly vulnerable because of "American Exceptionalism" and their ardent belief that they are, and will for always be, immune to insurrection. Hopefully the events of last week has dissuaded them from that notion.
There have been many actors that have chipping away at the foundations of their democracy and institutions for decades with impunity without being held to account by their peers and the public. The challenge is going to be to do so now, when it is almost to late, as they already have their army of followers and any calls for accountability will just feed into their persecution complex more.
Can only speak from a UK perspective here, but I am slipping into that. My vote has never counted. Since I've been able to legally vote there have been several general elections and the de facto 2 party system imposed by FPTP plus the disturbing number of safe seats (rotten boroughs...) means my vote has never been represented in the House of Commons. The party I chose to vote for at the last election gained more than 11% of the vote, but received from that just 1.7% of parliamentary seats. As soon as a party has a majority in parliament they can do whatever they want until the next election in 5 years time. We see visible examples of politicians/the establishment getting away with shit we wouldn't and seemingly naked crony capitalism all the time (never more so than during this pandemic with Cummings' excursion and the PPE contracts for Tory mates) with no recourse to do anything about it. Writing to your MP and protesting peacefully doesn't achieve anything, the electoral system is seemingly designed to prevent anyone from outside the establishment gaining any traction. So what do we do?
However much I might disagree with the MAGA lot on what I would sneeringly refer to as their politics (and interpretation of reality), I understand a sense of futility and that the political sphere is beyond change unless you break out the guillotines.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:53 am
by Fangle
Pro Trumpers claim that he is the only president for a long time who has not put America into any conflict. I have no idea if that is true.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:55 am
by Saint
Blake wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:33 am
TB63 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:12 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:32 pm
Impeachment's about more than just petty revenge on Trump. Quite aside from it being warranted regardless of the timeline, if successfull my understanding is that, crucially, it guarantees that he cannot run again and he is not financially supported by the taxpayer in the way that other ex-presidents are.
He also would not have Secret Service protection according to an article I read, so that's another way of stopping him from utilising even more taxpayer money than that he's basically embezzled thus far via Mar A Lago etc.
No lifetime pension. (200k per annum)
No lifetime Secret Service protection.
No running for President.
No $1 million travel budget.
Most importantly, no National Security Updates, which all former Presidents are apparently getting as well.
Sure, he's not really even attending or paying attention to these while in office, but on principle he shouldn't be getting them as he is a known security risk.
Yeah, former Presidents receive at least some National Security Updates, albeit with some of the more sensitive aspects redacted. The theory is that the current president may want to pick up the phone and ask for an opinion with the very select group of people that can be described as his professional peer group.
I can't imagine any future President on either side asking Donnie for his thoughts
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:58 am
by Saint
Fangle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:53 am
Pro Trumpers claim that he is the only president for a long time who has not put America into any conflict. I have no idea if that is true.
They claim since Ike. I say, Nixon, Ford and Carter. And lets be honest, the only reason it didn't go further with Iran is that cooler heads prevailed in Tehran. Trump was ready to go full Dr Strangelove there
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:00 am
by Fangle
Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:55 am
Blake wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:33 am
TB63 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:12 pm
No lifetime pension. (200k per annum)
No lifetime Secret Service protection.
No running for President.
No $1 million travel budget.
Most importantly, no National Security Updates, which all former Presidents are apparently getting as well.
Sure, he's not really even attending or paying attention to these while in office, but on principle he shouldn't be getting them as he is a known security risk.
Yeah, former Presidents receive at least some National Security Updates, albeit with some of the more sensitive aspects redacted. The theory is that the current president may want to pick up the phone and ask for an opinion with the very select group of people that can be described as his professional peer group.
I can't imagine any future President on either side asking Donnie for his thoughts
Nixon was probably the most influential ex- president in that regard. He was very astute on foreign policy and was very free with advice.