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Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:41 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:39 am https://www.businessinsider.com/pentago ... 021-1?IR=T

Pentagon officials sent memos on January 4 and 5 barring DC guardsmen from receiving ammo and riot gear, engaging with protesters (except for self-defense), sharing equipment with local police, and using surveillance or air assets without explicit approval from President Donald Trump's acting Defense Secretary, Christopher Miller, according to The Post.

The additional bureaucratic hurdle delayed the DC National Guard's response after US Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund asked on Wednesday for 200 guardsmen to provide backup — with guardsmen not arriving until 2 1/2 hours later — according to The Post.

MAGA Lives Matter More

obelixtim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:00 am

Jacob Chansley, AKA Jake Angeli, Arizona man makes first court appearance in for charges related to storming the U.S. Capitol. His mom says he hasn’t eaten since Friday because the detention facility won’t feed him all organic food.

Poor old Buffalo Boy.

Chilli wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:15 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:41 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:39 am https://www.businessinsider.com/pentago ... 021-1?IR=T

MAGA Lives Matter More

What did you expect?

Chilli wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:22 am

obelixtim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:00 am

Jacob Chansley, AKA Jake Angeli, Arizona man makes first court appearance in for charges related to storming the U.S. Capitol. His mom says he hasn’t eaten since Friday because the detention facility won’t feed him all organic food.

Poor old Buffalo Boy.

Should he not rather be in the loony bin?

obelixtim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:00 am

Jacob Chansley, AKA Jake Angeli, Arizona man makes first court appearance in for charges related to storming the U.S. Capitol. His mom says he hasn’t eaten since Friday because the detention facility won’t feed him all organic food.

Poor old Buffalo Boy.

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:45 am Inauguration Day is going to be ugly isn't it?

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:45 am Inauguration Day is going to be ugly isn't it?

A new investigation by our reporters has uncovered shocking — and we don’t use that word lightly — legitimately shocking statements that Clarke made, in public, while at Harvard,” he continued. “In 1994, Clarke wrote a letter to the Harvard Crimson in her capacity as the president of the Black Students Association. Clarke wanted to explain her views on race science.”:

“Please use the following theories and observations to assist you in your search for truth regarding the genetic differences between Blacks and whites.”:

• “One: Dr. Richard King reveals that at the core of the human brain is the ‘locus coeruleus,’ which is a structure that is Black, because it contains large amounts of neuro-melanin which is essential for its operation. Two: Black infants sit, stand, crawl and walk sooner than whites. Three: Carol Barnes notes that human mental processes are controlled by melanin–that same chemical which gives Blacks their superior physical and mental abilities. Four: Some scientists have revealed that most whites are unable to produce melanin because their pineal glands are often calcified or non-functioning. Pineal calcification rates with Africans are five to 15 percent, Asians 15 to 25 percent and Europeans 60 to 80 percent. This is the chemical basis for the cultural differences between Blacks and whites. Five: Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities — something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards.”

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:51 pm Corporate America has grabbed the GOP by the scrotum; & is slowly beginning to squeeze.

The latest is Deutsche Bank telling the shitgibbion, that they won't do any further business with him.

This comes after everyday being filled with a list of companies telling it & the GOP, that they are suspending all donations to them.

Will they get the message ?

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:24 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:51 pm Corporate America has grabbed the GOP by the scrotum; & is slowly beginning to squeeze.

The latest is Deutsche Bank telling the shitgibbion, that they won't do any further business with him.

This comes after everyday being filled with a list of companies telling it & the GOP, that they are suspending all donations to them.

Will they get the message ?

I see some of them are in the "bad people on both sides" horse, having suspended PAC payments to the Democrats as well. Those fine fellows at Goldman Sachs, for example.

Fangle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:35 pm While I think that Trump deserves the worst, it won’t help in uniting the country, which is what Biden has pledged to do.

Fangle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:35 pm While I think that Trump deserves the worst, it won’t help in uniting the country, which is what Biden has pledged to do.

The good news for the United States is that Trump’s self-coup failed. The bad news is that his supporters still believe the false narrative, the Big Lie that he won the election. Trump has not repudiated it, nor have the House and Senate Republicans who voted against the Electoral College results. Millions of people still think the election was stolen. They still support Trump the person, not the Republican Party, and many are prepared to take further action on his behalf.
...
Unless the Big Lie is thoroughly refuted, we can expect more attempts to subvert the constitutional order from Trump’s supporters—and we still have to get through the January 20 inauguration.
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If we are to restore democratic norms and make sure this does not happen again, these congressional Republicans will have to take personal responsibility for their actions in support of Trump’s coup attempt. They must tell the truth to their constituents about the election and what the president tried to do in January 2021. They owe it to the people they represent as well as the country they serve.

Tim Miller is The Bulwark’s writer-at-large. He was previously political director for Republican Voters Against Trump, communications director for Jeb Bush 2016, and spokesman for the Republican National Committee.

Fangle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:35 pm While I think that Trump deserves the worst, it won’t help in uniting the country, which is what Biden has pledged to do.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:37 pm Letting him and his collaborators get away with an attempted coup is not going to bring the country together. The Republicans actually admitting they've been lying about the election being a "fraud" is the other thing that needs to happen.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:26 pm Another good one: https://thebulwark.com/the-attack-on-de ... right-now/

It has a lot of receipts.

Tim Miller is The Bulwark’s writer-at-large. He was previously political director for Republican Voters Against Trump, communications director for Jeb Bush 2016, and spokesman for the Republican National Committee.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:37 pm Letting him and his collaborators get away with an attempted coup is not going to bring the country together. The Republicans actually admitting they've been lying about the election being a "fraud" is the other thing that needs to happen.

Now that the dust has settled a little are we not in danger of getting a bit shrill and over the top calling it an attempted coup (not a dig at you in particular). It was a fucking disgraceful action and for it Trump deserves absolutely everything coming his way. But coup? Not sure it is helpful using language like that.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:51 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:37 pm Letting him and his collaborators get away with an attempted coup is not going to bring the country together. The Republicans actually admitting they've been lying about the election being a "fraud" is the other thing that needs to happen.

Now that the dust has settled a little are we not in danger of getting a bit shrill and over the top calling it an attempted coup (not a dig at you in particular). It was a fucking disgraceful action and for it Trump deserves absolutely everything coming his way. But coup? Not sure it is helpful using language like that.

Well, what's your argument that it wasn't an attempted coup?

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:37 pm Letting him and his collaborators get away with an attempted coup is not going to bring the country together. The Republicans actually admitting they've been lying about the election being a "fraud" is the other thing that needs to happen.

Now that the dust has settled a little are we not in danger of getting a bit shrill and over the top calling it an attempted coup (not a dig at you in particular). It was a fucking disgraceful action and for it Trump deserves absolutely everything coming his way. But coup? Not sure it is helpful using language like that.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:52 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:51 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:44 pm

Now that the dust has settled a little are we not in danger of getting a bit shrill and over the top calling it an attempted coup (not a dig at you in particular). It was a fucking disgraceful action and for it Trump deserves absolutely everything coming his way. But coup? Not sure it is helpful using language like that.

Well, what's your argument that it wasn't an attempted coup?

It was a bit shit

Blake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:54 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:37 pm Letting him and his collaborators get away with an attempted coup is not going to bring the country together. The Republicans actually admitting they've been lying about the election being a "fraud" is the other thing that needs to happen.

Now that the dust has settled a little are we not in danger of getting a bit shrill and over the top calling it an attempted coup (not a dig at you in particular). It was a fucking disgraceful action and for it Trump deserves absolutely everything coming his way. But coup? Not sure it is helpful using language like that.

I’ve seen this argument from a couple of intellectuals; not calling it an attempted coup; but from what I can tell; the main arguments against it are basically just that it was too inept and uncoordinated to do the term justice.

From what I can tell the definition fits well enough?

Definition of coup d'état
: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics
especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group
a military coup d'état of the dictator

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:51 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:37 pm Letting him and his collaborators get away with an attempted coup is not going to bring the country together. The Republicans actually admitting they've been lying about the election being a "fraud" is the other thing that needs to happen.

Now that the dust has settled a little are we not in danger of getting a bit shrill and over the top calling it an attempted coup (not a dig at you in particular). It was a fucking disgraceful action and for it Trump deserves absolutely everything coming his way. But coup? Not sure it is helpful using language like that.

Well, what's your argument that it wasn't an attempted coup?

robmatic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:11 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:51 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:44 pm

Now that the dust has settled a little are we not in danger of getting a bit shrill and over the top calling it an attempted coup (not a dig at you in particular). It was a fucking disgraceful action and for it Trump deserves absolutely everything coming his way. But coup? Not sure it is helpful using language like that.

Well, what's your argument that it wasn't an attempted coup?

I experienced an attempted coup here in Turkey in 2016 and it involved military units on the streets, hundreds of people dying and a plan to capture key elements of state administrative and communication infrastructure and enforce a curfew. There was less of the LARPing.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:59 pm

Blake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:54 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:44 pm

Now that the dust has settled a little are we not in danger of getting a bit shrill and over the top calling it an attempted coup (not a dig at you in particular). It was a fucking disgraceful action and for it Trump deserves absolutely everything coming his way. But coup? Not sure it is helpful using language like that.

I’ve seen this argument from a couple of intellectuals; not calling it an attempted coup; but from what I can tell; the main arguments against it are basically just that it was too inept and uncoordinated to do the term justice.

From what I can tell the definition fits well enough?

Definition of coup d'état
: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics
especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group
a military coup d'état of the dictator

Firstly, many thanks for the compliment, not enough folk on here accept that.

It was a rabble rouse that got a bit out of hand. I don't think even Trump thought it was a coup or had any chance of actually changing things. There was zero chance the military were going to get involved off the back of a few 100 idiots. Trump was trying to be the big man and shat it when things actually started happening.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:11 pm Trump spent months trying to delegitimise the results of a free and fair election, refused to concede, and wound up his supporters to the point where violent action was inevitable. He had a clearout at the agencies to install loyalists above and beyond the already hopelessly compromised friendlies that were already there. He put what he thought would be Supreme Court Justices in place that would fix the election for him. He refused to call in the National Guard or do anything to prevent the mob.

Stochastic terrorism is a thing. Just because he didn't tell them explicitly to go overthrow the government, doesn't mean he wasn't trying to seize power.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:56 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:11 pm Trump spent months trying to delegitimise the results of a free and fair election, refused to concede, and wound up his supporters to the point where violent action was inevitable. He had a clearout at the agencies to install loyalists above and beyond the already hopelessly compromised friendlies that were already there. He put what he thought would be Supreme Court Justices in place that would fix the election for him. He refused to call in the National Guard or do anything to prevent the mob.

Stochastic terrorism is a thing. Just because he didn't tell them explicitly to go overthrow the government, doesn't mean he wasn't trying to seize power.

I think this is giving him far too much credit. He did all those things but I think any thought that he connected the dots is far fetched, the guy is an utter moron. IMO it's getting into conspiracy theory territory to think he had a masterplan to seize power.