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fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:50 pm On the topic of any future Ukrainian attack; do we know what is being done around building up their combat engineering capability ?

It's all very good Countries giving them MTBs & AFVs, but to get those to the fight, they'll need lots & lots of engineers & equipment to cross rivers, & clear minefields, & get past the defenses the Orcs have spent at least the last 6 months building up.

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:54 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:50 pm On the topic of any future Ukrainian attack; do we know what is being done around building up their combat engineering capability ?

It's all very good Countries giving them MTBs & AFVs, but to get those to the fight, they'll need lots & lots of engineers & equipment to cross rivers, & clear minefields, & get past the defenses the Orcs have spent at least the last 6 months building up.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/a ... plied.html

Go to the Engineering Equipment section. There's a good chance a lot of the "to be delivered" stuff is already in Ukraine but isn't being publicised.

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:42 pm I read somewhere yesterday that there are close to 1/2 million mines sown in Ukrainian fields and that there are 2600 mine clearing personnel working on clearance now... and at the current rate it will take over 20 years to complete the task.

What isn't often acknowledged is the environmental impact of war. Russia's crime (in this instance) is a cross generational curse and that is quite deliberate. In a sense then, they have assaulted the entire world.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:18 am

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:42 pm I read somewhere yesterday that there are close to 1/2 million mines sown in Ukrainian fields and that there are 2600 mine clearing personnel working on clearance now... and at the current rate it will take over 20 years to complete the task.

What isn't often acknowledged is the environmental impact of war. Russia's crime (in this instance) is a cross generational curse and that is quite deliberate. In a sense then, they have assaulted the entire world.

Following on from Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Angola, Iraq et al. I think the Falklands was declared mine free only recently.

In actuality, the larger threat will probably be unexploded ordinance & not mines, from what I've seen the Orcs have liberally distributed cluster munitions all over the fucking place & they're a million kinds of shit

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:49 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:18 am

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:42 pm I read somewhere yesterday that there are close to 1/2 million mines sown in Ukrainian fields and that there are 2600 mine clearing personnel working on clearance now... and at the current rate it will take over 20 years to complete the task.

What isn't often acknowledged is the environmental impact of war. Russia's crime (in this instance) is a cross generational curse and that is quite deliberate. In a sense then, they have assaulted the entire world.

Following on from Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Angola, Iraq et al. I think the Falklands was declared mine free only recently.

In actuality, the larger threat will probably be unexploded ordinance & not mines, from what I've seen the Orcs have liberally distributed cluster munitions all over the fucking place & they're a million kinds of shit

I was in Laos some years ago and they were estimating 200+ years to clear all the cluster bombs at the current rate. There are tens of millions of them.

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:58 am
There are the normal outpourings in the name of honouring those who serve but scattered around are personal stories from Vets and they are enlightening. Not many of them hold any sort of noble concept of war and serving. It's a fucking dirty, soul destroying waste of money and time and captures the imagination of so many. We are caught up in it... the military industrial complex rules. It's fucked.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:53 pm It it's very necessary for Ukraine. It's just Russia it's unnecessary for.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:53 pm It it's very necessary for Ukraine. It's just Russia it's unnecessary for.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:22 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:53 pm It it's very necessary for Ukraine. It's just Russia it's unnecessary for.

I'm lamenting the pointless destruction of their country, not decrying their right or need to defend themselves.

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:58 am

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:49 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:18 am

Following on from Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Angola, Iraq et al. I think the Falklands was declared mine free only recently.

In actuality, the larger threat will probably be unexploded ordinance & not mines, from what I've seen the Orcs have liberally distributed cluster munitions all over the fucking place & they're a million kinds of shit

I was in Laos some years ago and they were estimating 200+ years to clear all the cluster bombs at the current rate. There are tens of millions of them.

and THAT is what I'm talking about... cross generational harm across the environment. How many subsistence level farmers are maimed and rendered unable to provide for their families as a result of that?

I don't share the same levels of enthusiasm for war that some appear to. I desperately want to see Putin smeared across some pavement though, but there's a long list of cunts I'd add to the list for the crime of warmongering.

today, April 25th, is our big Remembrance Day in NZ and Australia... ANZAC Day. There are the normal outpourings in the name of honouring those who serve but scattered around are personal stories from Vets and they are enlightening. Not many of them hold any sort of noble concept of war and serving. It's a fucking dirty, soul destroying waste of money and time and captures the imagination of so many. We are caught up in it... the military industrial complex rules. It's fucked.

As if Ukrainians don’t have enough things to worry about, a new and potentially fatal phenomenon has emerged in the Kharkiv Region – crows carrying landmines.

A number of recent incidents have seen people injured by the explosive devices in populated places not known to have been mined during the conflict and areas previously cleared by ordnance disposal workers.

On April 14, according to the Main Directorate of the State Emergency Service of Ukraine in the Kharkiv region, a woman recently stepped on a mine in the market in Izyum, severely injuring her leg.

Employees of the Kharkivoblenergo electrical company were checking power lines in Stepne village, Kharkiv region, when a 46-year-old man stepped on a mine. The explosion blew off his foot.

On April 18, it happened near the center of the city Balaklea, Kharkiv region, a stone’s throw from a supermarket. A woman stepped on a PFM-1 anti-personnel mine almost in the city’s center. Diagnosed with a left foot laceration, she was hospitalized in a local medical center.

The incidents have led experts at the local Kharkiv Zoo to speculate that the mines have been moved by crows.

“The situation is completely unexpected. Of course, I’d like to have specifically confirmed observations and evidence. However, it’s quite plausible!” said Dmitry Strelkov, deputy head of the cultural and educational department of the Kharkiv Zoo.

The PFM-1 is an anti-personnel landmine (commonly called a “petal” because it resembles a tree leaf). It detonates when a person steps on the mine. The explosion produces virtually no blast fragments, so people often don’t die but suffer severe leg injuries, with high likelihood of amputation. An international convention – the Ottawa Treaty - prohibits the use of such mines.

Petal mines can appear where they didn’t seem to be before, not only because of birds. According to the State Emergency Service, during mine dispersal by aircraft or other methods, such munitions can get stuck in tree branches, remain on the roofs of houses, etc.

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:50 pm https://www.kyivpost.com/post/16349

As if Ukrainians don’t have enough things to worry about, a new and potentially fatal phenomenon has emerged in the Kharkiv Region – crows carrying landmines.

A number of recent incidents have seen people injured by the explosive devices in populated places not known to have been mined during the conflict and areas previously cleared by ordnance disposal workers.

On April 14, according to the Main Directorate of the State Emergency Service of Ukraine in the Kharkiv region, a woman recently stepped on a mine in the market in Izyum, severely injuring her leg.

Employees of the Kharkivoblenergo electrical company were checking power lines in Stepne village, Kharkiv region, when a 46-year-old man stepped on a mine. The explosion blew off his foot.

On April 18, it happened near the center of the city Balaklea, Kharkiv region, a stone’s throw from a supermarket. A woman stepped on a PFM-1 anti-personnel mine almost in the city’s center. Diagnosed with a left foot laceration, she was hospitalized in a local medical center.

The incidents have led experts at the local Kharkiv Zoo to speculate that the mines have been moved by crows.

“The situation is completely unexpected. Of course, I’d like to have specifically confirmed observations and evidence. However, it’s quite plausible!” said Dmitry Strelkov, deputy head of the cultural and educational department of the Kharkiv Zoo.

The PFM-1 is an anti-personnel landmine (commonly called a “petal” because it resembles a tree leaf). It detonates when a person steps on the mine. The explosion produces virtually no blast fragments, so people often don’t die but suffer severe leg injuries, with high likelihood of amputation. An international convention – the Ottawa Treaty - prohibits the use of such mines.

Petal mines can appear where they didn’t seem to be before, not only because of birds. According to the State Emergency Service, during mine dispersal by aircraft or other methods, such munitions can get stuck in tree branches, remain on the roofs of houses, etc.