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westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:02 pm Incoming

https://x.com/AuroraIntel/status/184116 ... _&ref_url=

Shit, if that is real, Israel will strike back - will they go against the military or civilians though?

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:05 pm

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:02 pm Incoming

https://x.com/AuroraIntel/status/184116 ... _&ref_url=

Shit, if that is real, Israel will strike back - will they go against the military or civilians though?

They, Iranians, will have a few things that are are not civilian that will got boom when the Israelis decide when to do it

They'll be popping the Champagne corks tonight in Ukraine !

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:22 pm

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:05 pm

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:02 pm Incoming

https://x.com/AuroraIntel/status/184116 ... _&ref_url=

Shit, if that is real, Israel will strike back - will they go against the military or civilians though?

They, Iranians, will have a few things that are are not civilian that will got boom when the Israelis decide when to do it

Bibi is mad enough to attack nuclear facilities again. This time setting off a chain reaction of violence across the region and proably further afield.

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 4:59 pm 4 civilians killed on the ground by terror attack

You e got to think there will be a few of these now.

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:17 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:15 pm

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:02 pm Incoming

https://x.com/AuroraIntel/status/184116 ... _&ref_url=

We sure that's real? Jerusalem webcam shows folks going about their business as normal.

Around 200 missiles launched by Iran,, I am chatting elsewhere to friend In Israel almost everyone is underground

https://x.com/IDF/status/1841159354914898024

There were pictures on C4 of families on rooftops watching and filming it all. Odd bunch

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:34 pm

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:22 pm

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:05 pm

Shit, if that is real, Israel will strike back - will they go against the military or civilians though?

They, Iranians, will have a few things that are are not civilian that will got boom when the Israelis decide when to do it

Bibi is mad enough to attack nuclear facilities again. This time setting off a chain reaction of violence across the region and proably further afield.

Probably and also Kharg Island where 95% of their oil gets exported from. The last time it was hit was by Iraq it took 15 years to repair

Shots fired near the Israeli embassy in Stockholm

Jordan and the US destroyers in the area intercepted multiple missiles. The USS Arleigh Burke, USS Cole, and USS Bulkeley are currently in the area.

There is also a US carrier group near Iran with another about a day away

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:16 pm Jordan and the US destroyers in the area intercepted multiple missiles. The USS Arleigh Burke, USS Cole, and USS Bulkeley are currently in the area.

There is also a US carrier group near Iran with another about a day away

Why are USA getting themselves so dragged into this, is it just domestic politics?

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:34 pm

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:22 pm

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:05 pm

Shit, if that is real, Israel will strike back - will they go against the military or civilians though?

They, Iranians, will have a few things that are are not civilian that will got boom when the Israelis decide when to do it

Bibi is mad enough to attack nuclear facilities again. This time setting off a chain reaction of violence across the region and proably further afield.

I think the Iranians learnt their lessons & have moved the critical stuff underground after previous attacks; plus as you infer, once you attack the Iranian strategic sites, you invite counter-attacks on your own nuclear facilities, & if Bibi is reckless enough to, assume they'll be safe, he really has gone off the deep end !

One successful drone attack on Netanya would be catastrophic !

If things get really out of hand, there's nothing stopping the Iranians from swapping out the explosive warhead of one of these missiles that are getting intercepted over Tel Aviv for one that makes it a dirty bomb, because dog knows they've plenty of shit that they can use & have from their centrifuges, but if they do, it'll just feed another level of escalation.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:31 pm

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:16 pm Jordan and the US destroyers in the area intercepted multiple missiles. The USS Arleigh Burke, USS Cole, and USS Bulkeley are currently in the area.

There is also a US carrier group near Iran with another about a day away

Why are USA getting themselves so dragged into this, is it just domestic politics?

. “An independent Israel, secure in its own borders, recognized by the world is in the practical strategic interest of the United States of America. I used to say … if there were no Israel, we’d have to invent one.”

That's a quote for m joe biden

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:26 pm They'll be popping the Champagne corks tonight in Ukraine !

If the Israelis bomb the Iranian Caspian port infrastructure it would be ace, but they're unlikely to do so cos they are scared of pissing off the Russians. This Iranian missile attack also seems a bit performative, with it being telegraphed in advance and taking place at night. The Israeli response might be somewhat tempered

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:37 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:31 pm

westport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:16 pm Jordan and the US destroyers in the area intercepted multiple missiles. The USS Arleigh Burke, USS Cole, and USS Bulkeley are currently in the area.

There is also a US carrier group near Iran with another about a day away

Why are USA getting themselves so dragged into this, is it just domestic politics?

. “An independent Israel, secure in its own borders, recognized by the world is in the practical strategic interest of the United States of America. I used to say … if there were no Israel, we’d have to invent one.”

That's a quote for m joe biden

It's just incredibly frustrating that the USA, UK, Europe, Australia etc etc put out all these strongly worded statements about not being cunts, then they ignore it, act like cunts, and we send more firepower to protect them. It's an abusive relationship

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:44 am If the Israelis bomb the Iranian Caspian port infrastructure it would be ace, but they're unlikely to do so cos they are scared of pissing off the Russians

That would be ace? Fuck me!

What would be ace would be if the US sat the Israelis down and told them that this path is unsustainable and will not result in long term security for Israel or the wider region.

Seriously bombing is ace? Fuck me I don’t know what to say, how many people have had their lives destroyed already? More bombing will help how?

I’ve asked the same question all the way through how the fuck is this going to help Israel in the longer term?

epwc wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:18 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:44 am If the Israelis bomb the Iranian Caspian port infrastructure it would be ace, but they're unlikely to do so cos they are scared of pissing off the Russians

That would be ace? Fuck me!

What would be ace would be if the US sat the Israelis down and told them that this path is unsustainable and will not result in long term security for Israel or the wider region.

Seriously bombing is ace? Fuck me I don’t know what to say, how many people have had their lives destroyed already? More bombing will help how?

I’ve asked the same question all the way through how the fuck is this going to help Israel in the longer term?

It would mean the Iranians would not be able to, or at least severely restrict their ability to, export shaheed drones and ballistic missiles to Russia. Missiles and drones which the Russian use to attack hospitals, playgrounds, shopping malls, apartment complexes etc. , killing Ukrainian women and children. So yeah, it would be fucking ace.

What would be even better is if the Israelis could assassinate the mas murdering fuck who is the Supreme Leader of Iran. The guy who posted a picture of Israelis being murdered during October 7th, mocking them. The guy whose government piped in poison gas into girls’ schools when they protested, the guy who if you “insult” gets you sent to person and murdered. That would also be fucking ace

You know what would be better?

It would be better if Israel stopped killing it's neighbours while screaming

'it's self defense, they said bad things'.

That would be better.

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:43 pm You know what would be better?

It would be better if Israel stopped killing it's neighbours while screaming

'it's self defense, they said bad things'.

That would be better.

This. Invade Lebanon, then get pissy when Iran sends missiles the next day in retaliation. Israel needs to get back in their box and stay there.

you'd almost say...

that would be 'ace'.

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:24 pmWhat would be even better is if the Israelis could assassinate the mas murdering fuck who is the Supreme Leader of Iran. The guy who posted a picture of Israelis being murdered during October 7th, mocking them. The guy whose government piped in poison gas into girls’ schools when they protested, the guy who if you “insult” gets you sent to person and murdered. That would also be fucking ace

So what, about 50% of the worlds despots that are armed to the teeth by the west should also be subject to the same, or is it just him?

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:47 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:43 pm You know what would be better?

It would be better if Israel stopped killing it's neighbours while screaming

'it's self defense, they said bad things'.

That would be better.

This. Invade Lebanon, then get pissy when Iran sends missiles the next day in retaliation. Israel needs to get back in their box and stay there.

Some of the outraged comments coming from Israel would be hilarious if they weren't so awful.

It looks like the damage done by the Iranian missiles has been played down quite a bit and that the IDF are having a tough time of it over the border.

Where does the Lebanese army fit into this? Do they get involved now, or leave it to Hezbollah?

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:04 pmWhere does the Lebanese army fit into this? Do they get involved now, or leave it to Hezbollah?

Who knows, but what's undeniable is that none of them stand a chance vs Israel.

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:24 pm

epwc wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:18 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:44 am If the Israelis bomb the Iranian Caspian port infrastructure it would be ace, but they're unlikely to do so cos they are scared of pissing off the Russians

That would be ace? Fuck me!

What would be ace would be if the US sat the Israelis down and told them that this path is unsustainable and will not result in long term security for Israel or the wider region.

Seriously bombing is ace? Fuck me I don’t know what to say, how many people have had their lives destroyed already? More bombing will help how?

I’ve asked the same question all the way through how the fuck is this going to help Israel in the longer term?

It would mean the Iranians would not be able to, or at least severely restrict their ability to, export shaheed drones and ballistic missiles to Russia. Missiles and drones which the Russian use to attack hospitals, playgrounds, shopping malls, apartment complexes etc. , killing Ukrainian women and children. So yeah, it would be fucking ace.

What would be even better is if the Israelis could assassinate the mas murdering fuck who is the Supreme Leader of Iran. The guy who posted a picture of Israelis being murdered during October 7th, mocking them. The guy whose government piped in poison gas into girls’ schools when they protested, the guy who if you “insult” gets you sent to person and murdered. That would also be fucking ace

Yous till haven't answered my question, how the fuck is this going to help Israel in the longer term?

I doubt destroying the Iranian Caspian port infrastructure is going to help Israel long term, never said it would

epwc wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:06 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:04 pmWhere does the Lebanese army fit into this? Do they get involved now, or leave it to Hezbollah?

Who knows, but what's undeniable is that none of them stand a chance vs Israel.

Well, they've said that the last 3 times

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:04 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:47 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:43 pm You know what would be better?

It would be better if Israel stopped killing it's neighbours while screaming

'it's self defense, they said bad things'.

That would be better.

This. Invade Lebanon, then get pissy when Iran sends missiles the next day in retaliation. Israel needs to get back in their box and stay there.

Some of the outraged comments coming from Israel would be hilarious if they weren't so awful.

It looks like the damage done by the Iranian missiles has been played down quite a bit and that the IDF are having a tough time of it over the border.

Where does the Lebanese army fit into this? Do they get involved now, or leave it to Hezbollah?

IIRC they withdrew from several areas that would potentialy be in the way of an Israelis advance, so there would most likely be some agreement between them and Israel to avoid each other

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:34 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:04 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:47 pm

This. Invade Lebanon, then get pissy when Iran sends missiles the next day in retaliation. Israel needs to get back in their box and stay there.

Some of the outraged comments coming from Israel would be hilarious if they weren't so awful.

It looks like the damage done by the Iranian missiles has been played down quite a bit and that the IDF are having a tough time of it over the border.

Where does the Lebanese army fit into this? Do they get involved now, or leave it to Hezbollah?

IIRC they withdrew from several areas that would potentialy be in the way of an Israelis advance, so there would most likely be some agreement between them and Israel to avoid each other

Is that sustainable from the point of view of the Lebanese people? Fair enough if Hezbollah are lobbing rockets and getting themselves blown up, but an actual invasion you would think would be a decent reason for an army to get involved. All of course caveated by the fact it's a unique situation and country

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:27 pm I doubt destroying the Iranian Caspian port infrastructure is not going to help Israel long term, never said it would

Not sure what you mean, there's a double negative in there.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:36 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:34 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:04 pm

Some of the outraged comments coming from Israel would be hilarious if they weren't so awful.

It looks like the damage done by the Iranian missiles has been played down quite a bit and that the IDF are having a tough time of it over the border.

Where does the Lebanese army fit into this? Do they get involved now, or leave it to Hezbollah?

IIRC they withdrew from several areas that would potentialy be in the way of an Israelis advance, so there would most likely be some agreement between them and Israel to avoid each other

Is that sustainable from the point of view of the Lebanese people? Fair enough if Hezbollah are lobbing rockets and getting themselves blown up, but an actual invasion you would think would be a decent reason for an army to get involved. All of course caveated by the fact it's a unique situation and country

I’d imagine they know they’re outmatched, probably want rid of Hezbollah, and standing well back and letting the two fight it out whilst maintaining their strength for the probably inevitable civil war after the Israelis pull out is the smart play

Hezbollah outgun the Lebanese army by a significant amount and in their areas, they'll have the advantage of not having to engage in a conventional fashion.

They are separate entities at this stage. Chances of a unified Lebanon ended a long time ago.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:36 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:34 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:04 pm

Some of the outraged comments coming from Israel would be hilarious if they weren't so awful.

It looks like the damage done by the Iranian missiles has been played down quite a bit and that the IDF are having a tough time of it over the border.

Where does the Lebanese army fit into this? Do they get involved now, or leave it to Hezbollah?

IIRC they withdrew from several areas that would potentialy be in the way of an Israelis advance, so there would most likely be some agreement between them and Israel to avoid each other

Is that sustainable from the point of view of the Lebanese people? Fair enough if Hezbollah are lobbing rockets and getting themselves blown up, but an actual invasion you would think would be a decent reason for an army to get involved. All of course caveated by the fact it's a unique situation and country

During the 1982 invasion which was a proper large scale one, not like what is happening at the moment, there were no clashes between the lebanese army (such as it was) and the israelis. As much as the lebanese might hate the israelis, hezbollah has murdered a large number of lebanese and are hated by many.

also no direct clashes between the LAB and Israel during the 2006 war

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:03 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:36 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:34 pm

IIRC they withdrew from several areas that would potentialy be in the way of an Israelis advance, so there would most likely be some agreement between them and Israel to avoid each other

Is that sustainable from the point of view of the Lebanese people? Fair enough if Hezbollah are lobbing rockets and getting themselves blown up, but an actual invasion you would think would be a decent reason for an army to get involved. All of course caveated by the fact it's a unique situation and country

During the 1982 invasion which was a proper large scale one, not like what is happening at the moment, there were no clashes between the lebanese army (such as it was) and the israelis. As much as the lebanese might hate the israelis, hezbollah has murdered a large number of lebanese and are hated by many.

also no direct clashes between the LAB and Israel during the 2006 war

Plenty of clashes between civilians, civilian infrastructure and the IDF though. Bombing ski resorts was especially petty.

David Lammy was wheeled out this morning to represent the government’s position on the ongoing crisis following Iranian missiles launching into Israel and further reports of an imminent Israeli ground invasion in Lebanon. Lammy said he would really like to see:

“A plan that allows for Israelis to move back to their homes in northern Israel and allows the Lebanese to move back to their homes in southern Israel.”

westport wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:42 pm David Lammy was wheeled out this morning to represent the government’s position on the ongoing crisis following Iranian missiles launching into Israel and further reports of an imminent Israeli ground invasion in Lebanon. Lammy said he would really like to see:

“A plan that allows for Israelis to move back to their homes in northern Israel and allows the Lebanese to move back to their homes in southern Israel.”

What?

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:55 pm

westport wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:42 pm David Lammy was wheeled out this morning to represent the government’s position on the ongoing crisis following Iranian missiles launching into Israel and further reports of an imminent Israeli ground invasion in Lebanon. Lammy said he would really like to see:

“A plan that allows for Israelis to move back to their homes in northern Israel and allows the Lebanese to move back to their homes in southern Israel.”

What?

Yip he is that bright

https://order-order.com/2024/10/02/lamm ... rn-israel/

I'll take your word for it because I'm not clicking a guido link.

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:44 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:26 pm They'll be popping the Champagne corks tonight in Ukraine !

If the Israelis bomb the Iranian Caspian port infrastructure it would be ace, but they're unlikely to do so cos they are scared of pissing off the Russians. This Iranian missile attack also seems a bit performative, with it being telegraphed in advance and taking place at night. The Israeli response might be somewhat tempered

I was thinking more of an Operation Crossbow Mk II.

Target the missile & drone manufacturing facilities, & destroy them & the technicians & engineers around them.

Out of all the carnage that is the middle east. there is this

On September 3, The Jerusalem Post published the story of M., a Yazidi woman who was kidnapped from her home in Sinjar, Iraq, as an 11-year-old girl in 2014, forced to marry a Palestinian ISIS fighter, and then lured into Gaza, where she was subject to torture from her husband’s family, stranded and far from her family for years.

The Post can now confirm that following rigorous bureaucratic and diplomatic procedures and several failed attempts, M. has finally managed to leave the Gaza Strip. She is being treated at an American facility in the region and is making her way back to her family.

Steve Maman, the Canadian Jewish businessman popularly nicknamed “The Jewish Schindler” for his actions to rescue and aid thousands of Yazidis from ISIS captivity, pushed efforts behind the scenes. He described his feelings in a conversation with the Post.

“I’m feeling tired; this has been the most difficult rescue that I’ve ever taken part in. Many interactions were critical and hurtful, but the success of the mission is what heals you from these attacks. This, for me, is a ray of light. M. has a chance to rebuild her life. She was 11 years old when they took her, and no child chooses at that age to become a hostage at the hands of ISIS-Hamas.

This is what I would’ve done for anyone else, regardless of their religion, and this is what makes us special as Jews – we are able to look beyond the dry politics of a national who’s technically from a country that hates us and see the human aspect of life. We’re willing to help all people succeed.

I must thank the US government, my contacts in the US, Iraq, Jordan, and Israel. I also want to thank Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Biden and the US administration, the UN, who helped by sending a secured ambulance, and everyone else who was involved in this operation. This is a happy occasion, but I can’t say I can celebrate wholeheartedly because I still have over 100 brothers and sisters sitting in dire situations in Gaza, and I will continue to act for their return in whichever way I can.”

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-822799

westport wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:14 am
become a hostage at the hands of ISIS-Hamas.

That's a new combo to me.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:25 am

westport wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:14 am
become a hostage at the hands of ISIS-Hamas.

That's a new combo to me.

Plenty of similarities and some cooperation between the two
https://theconversation.com/is-hamas-th ... yes-219454