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Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:44 pm Well, Trump has won the "most impeached President" stakes. Will the Senate actually hang him out to dry, though?

No idea how that will play out. Trump reportedly planning on releasing a video address to the nation. White House staffers trying to work out how to post it given he's barred from most social media, and no-one trusts him live with the press pool

Stick him in front of a camera that's not recording and let him rant.

More disturbingly, far right leaders were encouraged by the Capitol invasion and see it as a success in propaganda terms. These cunts are like fucking cock roaches.

And now a Houston police officer has been identified as one of those that entered the Capitol building.

And Trump releases a video condemning the attack on "free speech". Apparently everyone needs to listen to each other; of course, condemning half the speech as fake news hasn't been part of the problem at all

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:05 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:31 pm

and because of this cunt; this is now what's necessary at the entrances; not just to the house, but the very entrances to the chamber



At what point does sedition become unacceptable ?

To be fair, I'm surprised this wasn't the case anyway - every school has them due to their obsession with guns

Saint wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:03 am And now a Houston police officer has been identified as one of those that entered the Capitol building.

And Trump releases a video condemning the attack on "free speech". Apparently everyone needs to listen to each other; of course, condemning half the speech as fake news hasn't been part of the problem at all

still isn't admitting that he lost a free & fair election; & that was the source of the rally, that turned into a coup attempt; so he can fuck right off !

Nancy Pelosi wore the same dress for both impeachments. She literally has a Trump Impeachment outfit

Did I see that he'd had a dust up with Guiliani?

Reports are that he is refusing to pay Guliani's fees.

:snigger:

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:52 am Did I see that he'd had a dust up with Guiliani?

Reports are that he is refusing to pay Guliani's fees.

:snigger:

Where did you get that?

Chilli wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:22 am

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:52 am Did I see that he'd had a dust up with Guiliani?

Reports are that he is refusing to pay Guliani's fees.

:snigger:

Where did you get that?

Just heard it on CNN

There's a NY Times article that says the White House are blocking Rudy's calls as well

Saw some stuff reported the other day that he'd been told that a self pardon probably won't hold up if challenged and his reaction was that if he can't have one, nobody is getting one. So Rudy, Don Jr, Jared etc all fucked.

Chilli wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:24 am

Chilli wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:22 am

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:52 am Did I see that he'd had a dust up with Guiliani?

Reports are that he is refusing to pay Guliani's fees.

:snigger:

Where did you get that?

Just heard it on CNN

Well Guliani was demanding 20k a day, for his legal services , but however shite they maybe, he's probably going to lose his license over this debacle, so it'll be the last fees he ever collects ... if he collects them.

Guliani is also potentially facing jail time in Georgia, over knowingly presenting false evidence to elected officials down there.

Biffer wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:08 am There's a NY Times article that says the White House are blocking Rudy's calls as well

Saw some stuff reported the other day that he'd been told that a self pardon probably won't hold up if challenged and his reaction was that if he can't have one, nobody is getting one. So Rudy, Don Jr, Jared etc all fucked.

One of the points stressed to him recently was a criminal pardon could be taken as a liability of guilt in a civil case, and a civil case would open him to financial compensation claims if say anyone were to have been injured in the riots he initiated. The idea he could pardon himself and, even if that holds (and it's a big if), still lose lots of money is apparently what sent him on a massive whine that if that's the case his children can't have pardons

Saint wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:03 am And now a Houston police officer has been identified as one of those that entered the Capitol building.

And Trump releases a video condemning the attack on "free speech". Apparently everyone needs to listen to each other; of course, condemning half the speech as fake news hasn't been part of the problem at all

Are there police forces the same as here in regards to not having official political allegiance?

Not worded that well but you ken what I mean.

Jock42 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:08 pm

Saint wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:03 am And now a Houston police officer has been identified as one of those that entered the Capitol building.

And Trump releases a video condemning the attack on "free speech". Apparently everyone needs to listen to each other; of course, condemning half the speech as fake news hasn't been part of the problem at all

Are there police forces the same as here in regards to not having official political allegiance?

Not worded that well but you ken what I mean.

I think you mean are the police supposed to be apolitical? Yes they are. You can have your own private mind in on political matters but you do not or should not bring those politics into the open, such as an attempt to overthrow the government and/or claim to want the Vice President hung from gallows

Obviously the latter 2 go without saying. I was interested to know if they can be a member of a party etc

Hong Kong wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:22 pm

Jock42 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:08 pm

Saint wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:03 am And now a Houston police officer has been identified as one of those that entered the Capitol building.

And Trump releases a video condemning the attack on "free speech". Apparently everyone needs to listen to each other; of course, condemning half the speech as fake news hasn't been part of the problem at all

Are there police forces the same as here in regards to not having official political allegiance?

Not worded that well but you ken what I mean.

I think you mean are the police supposed to be apolitical? Yes they are. You can have your own private mind in on political matters but you do not or should not bring those politics into the open, such as an attempt to overthrow the government and/or claim to want the Vice President hung from gallows

Tricky in the US though, where the Police Unions are often courted to endorse a political candidate...and they are firmly behind Trump.

The son of Jack Kirby, co-creator of Captain America, has said that he's less than impressed with the Coup Clutz Clan appropriating the shield. Given that Kirby was Jewish and fucking hated Nazis (apparently some turned up in the lobby of his office threatening to beat him up for Cap's Nazi punching ways, so he said he'd be right down, but by the time he got down there they had scarpered) that would seem to ring true.

And as for the twats wearing Punisher t-shirts, if Captain America would be punching Trump supporters, Frank Castle would ensure no one ever found the bodies.

On a lighter note, NYC is terminating all contracts with The Trump Organisation.

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:10 am

Chilli wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:24 am

Chilli wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:22 am

Where did you get that?

Just heard it on CNN

Well Guliani was demanding 20k a day, for his legal services , but however shite they maybe, he's probably going to lose his license over this debacle, so it'll be the last fees he ever collects ... if he collects them.

Guliani is also potentially facing jail time in Georgia, over knowingly presenting false evidence to elected officials down there.

As gratifying as it would be to see Giuliani under the wheels of the bus, I'll be disappointed if he doesn't manage to drag Trump in there with him.

All his life, Trump has been able to avoid the consequences of his actions through his privileged position and wealth; when Mueller bottled holding him to account it was obvious that getting off with it, rather than giving him pause, would merely emboldened him to the point where he withheld military aid to force a political favour from the President of a country engaged in a war with a neighbour.

Having got off scot-free from that one has led him to doubt that there would be consequences in inciting his supporters to raid the Capitol to overturn the results of the election.

If he avoids the consequences of inciting that insurrection, then I suspect his next trick will be worse.

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:19 pm The son of Jack Kirby, co-creator of Captain America, has said that he's less than impressed with the Coup Clutz Clan appropriating the shield. Given that Kirby was Jewish and fucking hated Nazis (apparently some turned up in the lobby of his office threatening to beat him up for Cap's Nazi punching ways, so he said he'd be right down, but by the time he got down there they had scarpered) that would seem to ring true.

And as for the twats wearing Punisher t-shirts, if Captain America would be punching Trump supporters, Frank Castle would ensure no one ever found the bodies.

On a lighter note, NYC is terminating all contracts with The Trump Organisation.

If ever there was a sign of how fucking stupid these people are it's that they think Frank's worldview aligns with theirs.

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:36 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:10 am

Chilli wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:24 am

Just heard it on CNN

Well Guliani was demanding 20k a day, for his legal services , but however shite they maybe, he's probably going to lose his license over this debacle, so it'll be the last fees he ever collects ... if he collects them.

Guliani is also potentially facing jail time in Georgia, over knowingly presenting false evidence to elected officials down there.

As gratifying as it would be to see Giuliani under the wheels of the bus, I'll be disappointed if he doesn't manage to drag Trump in there with him.

All his life, Trump has been able to avoid the consequences of his actions through his privileged position and wealth; when Mueller bottled holding him to account it was obvious that getting off with it, rather than giving him pause, would merely emboldened him to the point where he withheld military aid to force a political favour from the President of a country engaged in a war with a neighbour.

Having got off scot-free from that one has led him to doubt that there would be consequences in inciting his supporters to raid the Capitol to overturn the results of the election.

If he avoids the consequences of inciting that insurrection, then I suspect his next trick will be worse.

He only got away with it because of the moronic memo from a previous DoJ suggesting that you can't indict a sitting POTUS; the key word is obviously, "sitting".

And Guliani is facing a State charge in Georgia; not one he can be pardoned for by the shitgibbon; but one which he could probably do a plea for; if he conspired with another individual to carry out the fraud .....

so at this point pissing off Guliani, might not be a wise course of action.

Aged like milk...there’s always a tweet...although no longer

I don't know how to just post the video, but take a listen to this madness near the bottom of this article.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-ele ... 2DGTKLGOA/

So first of all Ivanka was attending the Inauguration; & then shortly afterward; see definitely wasn't .... I wonder did Daddy threaten to disown her in the intervening period ?

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:39 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:19 pm The son of Jack Kirby, co-creator of Captain America, has said that he's less than impressed with the Coup Clutz Clan appropriating the shield. Given that Kirby was Jewish and fucking hated Nazis (apparently some turned up in the lobby of his office threatening to beat him up for Cap's Nazi punching ways, so he said he'd be right down, but by the time he got down there they had scarpered) that would seem to ring true.

And as for the twats wearing Punisher t-shirts, if Captain America would be punching Trump supporters, Frank Castle would ensure no one ever found the bodies.

On a lighter note, NYC is terminating all contracts with The Trump Organisation.

If ever there was a sign of how fucking stupid these people are it's that they think Frank's worldview aligns with theirs.

I read a few in the 90s, but don't remember much. What was his general view - apart from revenge/killing mobsters?

Or was it just that single-minded, and people are co-opting/twisting to suit their purpose?

It is funny to think that maybe they don't have a lot of legitimate heroes to follow because a) superheroes and the like do what they do for the good of all people and b) it's more likely their views are matched by baddies and war criminals.

Niegs wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:49 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:39 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:19 pm The son of Jack Kirby, co-creator of Captain America, has said that he's less than impressed with the Coup Clutz Clan appropriating the shield. Given that Kirby was Jewish and fucking hated Nazis (apparently some turned up in the lobby of his office threatening to beat him up for Cap's Nazi punching ways, so he said he'd be right down, but by the time he got down there they had scarpered) that would seem to ring true.

And as for the twats wearing Punisher t-shirts, if Captain America would be punching Trump supporters, Frank Castle would ensure no one ever found the bodies.

On a lighter note, NYC is terminating all contracts with The Trump Organisation.

If ever there was a sign of how fucking stupid these people are it's that they think Frank's worldview aligns with theirs.

I read a few in the 90s, but don't remember much. What was his general view - apart from revenge/killing mobsters?

Or was it just that single-minded, and people are co-opting/twisting to suit their purpose?

It is funny to think that maybe they don't have a lot of legitimate heroes to follow because a) superheroes and the like do what they do for the good of all people and b) it's more likely their views are matched by baddies and war criminals.

In the main it's a pretty simple premise - criminals bad. Other than petty stuff like shop lifting I've not read him leave much go without at least a maiming. Given his origin story he particularly hates the mafia and corruption. Trump would never have made it to office with Frank Castle around and a good number of Republican officials probably wouldn't be occupying their seats either.

He's taken down plenty of skinheads/neo-nazis and the like in his time.

He respects the shit out of America and the ideals of justice and order (except when applied to him...). Memorably, in Civil War (comic), Captain America gives him a beat down for being, well, The Punisher, and Frank refuses to fight back even when Cap's screaming at him to do so: "Not against you". Cap is everything Castle admires, so in the same way that MAGA nuts appropriating Cap is ridiculous, it's absurd for them to think the Punisher is on their side.

Violent vigilantes are always popular with that crowd. Pretty much that simple.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:05 pm Violent vigilantes are always popular with that crowd. Pretty much that simple.

It's more about the branding and imagery with their attraction to Punisher I think.

Wolverine kills a-plenty (or did, I'm a couple of years behind, but that seemed to be slacking off in the arcs prior to his 'death'; as if anyone believed they'd let him stay dead...), Daredevil's done some pretty serious damage on a regular basis and Moon Knight (who I'm surprised doesn't garner more attention in those circles as a white guy wearing all white with a hood/cowl) sits somewhere between them on the scale, yet none of those have been adopted by the vigilante lovers (read: Punisher lovers).

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:23 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:05 pm Violent vigilantes are always popular with that crowd. Pretty much that simple.

It's more about the branding and imagery with their attraction to Punisher I think.

Wolverine kills a-plenty (or did, I'm a couple of years behind, but that seemed to be slacking off in the arcs prior to his 'death'; as if anyone believed they'd let him stay dead...), Daredevil's done some pretty serious damage on a regular basis and Moon Knight (who I'm surprised doesn't garner more attention in those circles as a white guy wearing all white with a hood/cowl) sits somewhere between them on the scale, yet none of those have been adopted by the vigilante lovers (read: Punisher lovers).

Daredevil famously refuses to kill and Wolverine is pretty popular but isn't really a traditional vigilante. Moon Knight has not had a film or TV series about him afaik - these people are not comics nerds, they're just aware of popular culture.

Punisher speaks to those people who are cops/military or wish they were cops/military as being HARD MEN willing to make HARD DECISIONS that involve killing people they think are bad even when it's against the (obviously weak and flawed) legal system, which is the core of the vigilante ethos

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:32 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:23 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:05 pm Violent vigilantes are always popular with that crowd. Pretty much that simple.

It's more about the branding and imagery with their attraction to Punisher I think.

Wolverine kills a-plenty (or did, I'm a couple of years behind, but that seemed to be slacking off in the arcs prior to his 'death'; as if anyone believed they'd let him stay dead...), Daredevil's done some pretty serious damage on a regular basis and Moon Knight (who I'm surprised doesn't garner more attention in those circles as a white guy wearing all white with a hood/cowl) sits somewhere between them on the scale, yet none of those have been adopted by the vigilante lovers (read: Punisher lovers).

Daredevil famously refuses to kill and Wolverine is pretty popular but isn't really a traditional vigilante. Moon Knight has not had a film or TV series about him afaik - these people are not comics nerds, they're just aware of popular culture.

Punisher speaks to those people who are cops/military or wish they were cops/military as being HARD MEN willing to make HARD DECISIONS that involve killing people they think are bad even when it's against the (obviously weak and flawed) legal system, which is the core of the vigilante ethos

I suppose Wolverine has also spent most of his time as part of the X-men and the people who idolise Punisher aren't going to be down with a group that's been fairly diverse (certainly by past standards) for most of their existence, are an obvious LGBT+ and minorities allegory and whose stories have often featured criticism of the religious right...


Guess it must be the killing they get hard for. I mentioned DD ahead of some of the other street level vigilantes because he's frequently been chastised or questioned by peers (costumed or otherwise) about the extent of the violence he deals out short of killing. Probably am forgetting that non comic nerds don't know that level of detail.

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:43 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:32 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:23 pm

It's more about the branding and imagery with their attraction to Punisher I think.

Wolverine kills a-plenty (or did, I'm a couple of years behind, but that seemed to be slacking off in the arcs prior to his 'death'; as if anyone believed they'd let him stay dead...), Daredevil's done some pretty serious damage on a regular basis and Moon Knight (who I'm surprised doesn't garner more attention in those circles as a white guy wearing all white with a hood/cowl) sits somewhere between them on the scale, yet none of those have been adopted by the vigilante lovers (read: Punisher lovers).

Daredevil famously refuses to kill and Wolverine is pretty popular but isn't really a traditional vigilante. Moon Knight has not had a film or TV series about him afaik - these people are not comics nerds, they're just aware of popular culture.

Punisher speaks to those people who are cops/military or wish they were cops/military as being HARD MEN willing to make HARD DECISIONS that involve killing people they think are bad even when it's against the (obviously weak and flawed) legal system, which is the core of the vigilante ethos

I suppose Wolverine has also spent most of his time as part of the X-men and the people who idolise Punisher aren't going to be down with a group that's been fairly diverse (certainly by past standards) for most of their existence, are an obvious LGBT+ and minorities allegory and whose stories have often featured criticism of the religious right...


Guess it must be the killing they get hard for. I mentioned DD ahead of some of the other street level vigilantes because he's frequently been chastised or questioned by peers (costumed or otherwise) about the extent of the violence he deals out short of killing. Probably am forgetting that non comic nerds don't know that level of detail.

Also Matt Murdoch is a laywer and there's no way that a lawyer is going to be idolised by these guys, let alone compared to a former special forces badass...

And there's me thinking this thread was about US politics...

Thread comiced..

well back on topic, Donny is refusing to pay Rudy's fees for "not defending him enough"

And Donny Dimwit becomes the only ‘billionaire’ unable to find a lawyer happy to take his money to defend him in the impeachment trial.

What. A. Loser.

Moon Knight is getting his TV series in 2022.

On the politics front, as fun as the thought of Rudy ratting out Big Don is, he's reached almost compulsive liar status and you would think he will say anything to try and avoid hard time. There would need to be a ton of corroborating evidence for any allegations he makes.

I also suspect the shredders have been working 24/7 at the White House both to destroy evidence and to destroy anything that might aid the transition process (if that is still a thing).

I'd hope a narcissistic, megalomaniac businessman president would deal with incriminating documents in a more spectacular fashion!

Can’t find the article now - think it was the Beeb.
Seems every little thing needs to go into the presidential record. But Trump has a habit of just tearing stuff up once finished with it.
So there’s these poor sods who literally have to go through the bins and sellotape papers back together again.

Not to mention more nefarious shit to keep stuff off record also I guess

Probably just about the most honest thing to come out of the debacle.

Article on that.

CNN: 'Kill him with his own gun': Police describe facing the mob at the Capitol.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/14/politics ... index.html

Some of them felt like we would be fast friends because so many of them have been vocal," Hodges said. "They say things like, 'Yeah, we've been supporting you through all this Black Lives Matter stuff, you should have our back' and they felt entitled."

He added, "They felt like they would just walk up there and tell us that they're here to take back Congress and we would agree with them and we'd walk in hand in hand and just take over the nation. But obviously that's not the case and it will never be the case."

Hong Kong wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:22 pm

Jock42 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:08 pm

Saint wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:03 am And now a Houston police officer has been identified as one of those that entered the Capitol building.

And Trump releases a video condemning the attack on "free speech". Apparently everyone needs to listen to each other; of course, condemning half the speech as fake news hasn't been part of the problem at all

Are there police forces the same as here in regards to not having official political allegiance?

Not worded that well but you ken what I mean.

I think you mean are the police supposed to be apolitical? Yes they are. You can have your own private mind in on political matters but you do not or should not bring those politics into the open, such as an attempt to overthrow the government and/or claim to want the Vice President hung from gallows

There's been concern for years that police and army have been "infiltrated" by white supremacist groups.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... dApp_Other

The joint chiefs of staff statement was amazing. The national guard being withheld was atrocious and those responsible need to see jail time.