So, coronavirus...

[Insane_Homer]

A generic "example" that specifically mentions a relative and his age sure buddy, we believe you

[Bimbowomxn]

A generic "example" that specifically mentions a relative and his age sure buddy, we believe you

Must think in straight line, must think in straight lines.....



My actual post before you even commented.

It was an example of many things a 74 year old with limited time ...

[Sandstorm]

Don’t worry, the market will provide.

[Saint]

Jenner institute leaking that they expect "emergency use" sign off on the vaccine before Christmas for at risk groups, with general use signoff being early 2021.

It looks pretty clear that it's safe to use - the major data analysis is in working out exactly how effective it is and how long lasting the immunity is

[sockwithaticket]

Jenner institute leaking that they expect "emergency use" sign off on the vaccine before Christmas for at risk groups, with general use signoff being early 2021.

It looks pretty clear that it's safe to use - the major data analysis is in working out exactly how effective it is and how long lasting the immunity is

I have tickets for a gig in April, so here's hoping.

[Sandstorm]

Jenner institute leaking that they expect "emergency use" sign off on the vaccine before Christmas for at risk groups, with general use signoff being early 2021.

It looks pretty clear that it's safe to use - the major data analysis is in working out exactly how effective it is and how long lasting the immunity is

Be interesting how quickly afterwards everyone drops the "Hands, Face, Space" precautions most of us are following now.

I feel that a vaccine for the vulnerable, continued precautions for everyone else and a full opening of all business + leisure is a good balance for 2021.

[Biffer]

Jenner institute leaking that they expect "emergency use" sign off on the vaccine before Christmas for at risk groups, with general use signoff being early 2021.

It looks pretty clear that it's safe to use - the major data analysis is in working out exactly how effective it is and how long lasting the immunity is

I have tickets for a gig in April, so here's hoping.

General use signoff is followed by production and distribution. That's not going to happen in two months - try two years.

I fully expect next year to be a continuing scream of 'WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE VACCINE NOWWWWWWWWW'.

The UK will be looking to vaccinate about 20 million vulnerable people and key workers. So that's the number of vaccine shots required in the UK (if it's single shot) and we'll be competing against demand from every other country. The developed world will dominate and get most of it first (might be shitty, but it's the way of things). So in Europe and North America that'll be what, around 200 million to be produced? And distributed, and injected? A year at the very best. And then we can go on to the wider population if that's deemed necessary.

Your gig in April isn't happening, sorry. If you've got one in 2022, look forward to that instead.

[Sards]

Jenner institute leaking that they expect "emergency use" sign off on the vaccine before Christmas for at risk groups, with general use signoff being early 2021.

It looks pretty clear that it's safe to use - the major data analysis is in working out exactly how effective it is and how long lasting the immunity is

Be interesting how quickly afterwards everyone drops the "Hands, Face, Space" precautions most of us are following now.

I feel that a vaccine for the vulnerable, continued precautions for everyone else and a full opening of all business + leisure is a good balance for 2021.

Hear hear

[Saint]

Jenner institute leaking that they expect "emergency use" sign off on the vaccine before Christmas for at risk groups, with general use signoff being early 2021.

It looks pretty clear that it's safe to use - the major data analysis is in working out exactly how effective it is and how long lasting the immunity is

I have tickets for a gig in April, so here's hoping.

General use signoff is followed by production and distribution. That's not going to happen in two months - try two years.

I fully expect next year to be a continuing scream of 'WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE VACCINE NOWWWWWWWWW'.

The UK will be looking to vaccinate about 20 million vulnerable people and key workers. So that's the number of vaccine shots required in the UK (if it's single shot) and we'll be competing against demand from every other country. The developed world will dominate and get most of it first (might be shitty, but it's the way of things). So in Europe and North America that'll be what, around 200 million to be produced? And distributed, and injected? A year at the very best. And then we can go on to the wider population if that's deemed necessary.

Your gig in April isn't happening, sorry. If you've got one in 2022, look forward to that instead.

This vaccine (and several others) fir that matter are already in production at multiple sites globally, including some enormous production in India. So, production for initial availability will be less of a problem than you would think. Distribution and delivery is an issue, but that's why health services across Europe are trying to get flu vaccinations out of the way by the end of November (NHS target date is actually 2nd week November, but they're going to miss that).

I agree that general vaccination by April is unlikely but if frontline and at risk are vaccinated with something approaching 70% effectiveness i think you could expect to see a massive relaxation of the rules

[Sandstorm]

Can't see Covid19 vaccine production being slow. In fact the demand will be so high and the profits so lucrative, that other drugs will be put on the back-burner instead. That's where you'll see shortages in 2021.

[sockwithaticket]

Your gig in April isn't happening, sorry. If you've got one in 2022, look forward to that instead.

Shh, I need this right now. All my friends live in London or further afield. Other than food shopping and walks I basically haven't left the house in 7 months. If it's not happening I don't want to know.

[Biffer]

Your gig in April isn't happening, sorry. If you've got one in 2022, look forward to that instead.

Shh, I need this right now. All my friends live in London or further afield. Other than food shopping and walks I basically haven't left the house in 7 months. If it's not happening I don't want to know.

Hey, I hope so too - I haven't touched another living person since March, it's fucking horrible. But I think it's better to plan for the worst and hopefully be surprised when it's better than that

[Sandstorm]

Your gig in April isn't happening, sorry. If you've got one in 2022, look forward to that instead.

Shh, I need this right now. All my friends live in London or further afield. Other than food shopping and walks I basically haven't left the house in 7 months. If it's not happening I don't want to know.

Good idea. Choose a live concert for your first exposure to Covid on the road to your own herd immunity.

[Hal Jordan]

Your gig in April isn't happening, sorry. If you've got one in 2022, look forward to that instead.

Shh, I need this right now. All my friends live in London or further afield. Other than food shopping and walks I basically haven't left the house in 7 months. If it's not happening I don't want to know.

Hey, I hope so too - I haven't touched another living person since March, it's fucking horrible. But I think it's better to plan for the worst and hopefully be surprised when it's better than that

This would seem to imply that you have been fingering corpses, though.

[sockwithaticket]

Your gig in April isn't happening, sorry. If you've got one in 2022, look forward to that instead.

Shh, I need this right now. All my friends live in London or further afield. Other than food shopping and walks I basically haven't left the house in 7 months. If it's not happening I don't want to know.

Good idea. Choose a live concert for your first exposure to Covid on the road to your own herd immunity.

It'd be at the Underworld in Camden, social distancing would be impossible unless you only let about 10 people in It also gets fucking boiling in there. I've only experienced one venue that can surpass it for sheer sweatiness. Can only imagine how uncomfortable it'd be with a mask on.

[sockwithaticket]

Your gig in April isn't happening, sorry. If you've got one in 2022, look forward to that instead.

Shh, I need this right now. All my friends live in London or further afield. Other than food shopping and walks I basically haven't left the house in 7 months. If it's not happening I don't want to know.

Hey, I hope so too - I haven't touched another living person since March, it's fucking horrible. But I think it's better to plan for the worst and hopefully be surprised when it's better than that

That's usually my modus operandi, it's just not quite working like it usually does at the moment. I'm sure future me would hate looking forward to it and finding out shortly beforehand that it's not happening without having mentally prepared for it. Present me wants the false hope.

[Biffer]

Shh, I need this right now. All my friends live in London or further afield. Other than food shopping and walks I basically haven't left the house in 7 months. If it's not happening I don't want to know.

Hey, I hope so too - I haven't touched another living person since March, it's fucking horrible. But I think it's better to plan for the worst and hopefully be surprised when it's better than that

This would seem to imply that you have been fingering corpses, though.

Take your fun where you can find it, that's what I say

[Enzedder]

The absolute horror, having to watch a film at home instead of the movie theatre

Or see his grandsons, life long friends , the car club etc etc.



The dismissal of this on people’s lives especially those with limited time isn’t a surprise I spose.


It’s only 2 years!

Looks like you want to shorten it to 2 weeks.

[Bimbowomxn]

The absolute horror, having to watch a film at home instead of the movie theatre

Or see his grandsons, life long friends , the car club etc etc.



The dismissal of this on people’s lives especially those with limited time isn’t a surprise I spose.


It’s only 2 years!

Looks like you want to shorten it to 2 weeks.

No, he’s very healthy and bright enough to socially distance without a government official instructing his every move.

[Sandstorm]

Oh he’s real. Not just an example.

[Bimbowomxn]

Oh he’s real. Not just an example.

Must think in straight lines ...

Must think in straight lines....


The cinema was the example as I explained.


Saffa programmers.

[Enzedder]

I wonder if the Pres of the Younited States has told states to under report deaths. It seems strange to me that with cases rapidly rising we have seen deaths drop from 1200 on 21st down to 400s over the weekend and 529 today.

I think someone is telling porkies.

[Rinkals]

Oh he’s real. Not just an example.

Must think in straight lines ...

Must think in straight lines....


The cinema was the example as I explained.


Saffa programmers.

It's a crap example which weakens your point which was fragile to begin with.

[sefton]

So the Bimbo family are happy to see a few tens of thousands lives shortened so Grandad Bimbo can go the cinema to watch The Birth of a Nation again.

[Saint]

I wonder if the Pres of the Younited States has told states to under report deaths. It seems strange to me that with cases rapidly rising we have seen deaths drop from 1200 on 21st down to 400s over the weekend and 529 today.

I think someone is telling porkies.

Reporting in the US is a bit haphazard at the best of times - and deaths will lag positive tests by up to 28 days.

The 7 day average is just starting to show an increase which more or less matches the testing increase from 3 weeks ago. Should be getting nasty by polling day

[Insane_Homer]

26/10/20 UK reporting
20,890 new reported infections
102 deaths

[sockwithaticket]

I wonder if the Pres of the Younited States has told states to under report deaths. It seems strange to me that with cases rapidly rising we have seen deaths drop from 1200 on 21st down to 400s over the weekend and 529 today.

I think someone is telling porkies.

I seem to recall earlier in their pandemic response that some states, particularly red ones, were reporting basically no covid deaths, but had huge spikes in fatal pneumonia cases...

Could well still be the case. The Trump admin is such a shit show that small technical things like that can be overlooked by the press in their desire to cover other things.

[Rinkals]

I wonder if the Pres of the Younited States has told states to under report deaths. It seems strange to me that with cases rapidly rising we have seen deaths drop from 1200 on 21st down to 400s over the weekend and 529 today.

I think someone is telling porkies.

I seem to recall earlier in their pandemic response that some states, particularly red ones, were reporting basically no covid deaths, but had huge spikes in fatal pneumonia cases...

Could well still be the case. The Trump admin is such a shit show that small technical things like that can be overlooked by the press in their desire to cover other things.

Didn't they insist that all covid reporting was re-routed through the WH rather than the CDC?

I'm not sure if they backed down on that, but I remember figures being posted on PR which showed that GOP-controlled states were doing significantly better controlling the pandemic than Democrat States.

[Biffer]

I wonder if the Pres of the Younited States has told states to under report deaths. It seems strange to me that with cases rapidly rising we have seen deaths drop from 1200 on 21st down to 400s over the weekend and 529 today.

I think someone is telling porkies.

I seem to recall earlier in their pandemic response that some states, particularly red ones, were reporting basically no covid deaths, but had huge spikes in fatal pneumonia cases...

Could well still be the case. The Trump admin is such a shit show that small technical things like that can be overlooked by the press in their desire to cover other things.

Didn't they insist that all covid reporting was re-routed through the WH rather than the CDC?

I'm not sure if they backed down on that, but I remember figures being posted on PR which showed that GOP-controlled states were doing significantly better controlling the pandemic than Democrat States.

They changed it back. Probably when they realised it wasn't in any way straightforward.

And you're right about the red states all of a sudden flattening off when it went to the WH but the blue states kept on the same trajectory as previously.

[Rinkals]

Yes, intuitively one would expect the Dem-led States to have a better handle on it, given the way that Trump has politicised mask wearing and other anti-pandemic measures.

In other news, I see Fauci has commended South Africa's responses, although, as I mentioned above, implementing irrational measures has undermined what I think has generally been a fairly well handled regime.

https://www.news24.com/news24/southafri ... s-20201027

"Everybody has got to pull together and in some countries, like South Africa, a smaller country... in my impression, you can do things more centrally."

"The 50 different states did it 50 different ways and it just didn't work and that's the reason why we had that resurgence."

"We are not pulling together as a unified country whereas other countries I believe, including South Africa, do it much more that way. That is what I think the difference is."

[Green light echo]

Yes, intuitively one would expect the Dem-led States to have a better handle on it, given the way that Trump has politicised mask wearing and other anti-pandemic measures.

In other news, I see Fauci has commended South Africa's responses, although, as I mentioned above, implementing irrational measures has undermined what I think has generally been a fairly well handled regime.

https://www.news24.com/news24/southafri ... s-20201027

"Everybody has got to pull together and in some countries, like South Africa, a smaller country... in my impression, you can do things more centrally."

"The 50 different states did it 50 different ways and it just didn't work and that's the reason why we had that resurgence."

"We are not pulling together as a unified country whereas other countries I believe, including South Africa, do it much more that way. That is what I think the difference

South Africa in a normal world are never a country you would want to emulate. Looking on from the total farce that is Trumps America one can understand their envy...

Of course the gold standard are the Anzac countries...

Once again.

[fishfoodie]

I wonder if the Pres of the Younited States has told states to under report deaths. It seems strange to me that with cases rapidly rising we have seen deaths drop from 1200 on 21st down to 400s over the weekend and 529 today.

I think someone is telling porkies.

I seem to recall earlier in their pandemic response that some states, particularly red ones, were reporting basically no covid deaths, but had huge spikes in fatal pneumonia cases...

Could well still be the case. The Trump admin is such a shit show that small technical things like that can be overlooked by the press in their desire to cover other things.

The excess deaths figures from the US are horrendous;

The US had more than 225 000 excess deaths between March and July this year, and about two thirds of them were due to covid-19, reports a study published online in JAMA by authors from Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine and Yale School of Public Health.1

When compared with 18 other countries the US had high covid-19 mortality and high excess mortality, said researchers from Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania.2 If the US had the same death rate as Australia, 187 661 Americans would still be alive, they estimated. If the US had the same death rate as Canada 117 622 Americans would still be alive. It was not clear whether this pattern would continue through the autumn, the authors said.

That's 150k deaths, that aren't in the official Covid deaths record, over just five months !

[Turbster]

Oman, where I live, borders on the UAE. They are probably averaging 800 new cases every day from a population of less than 5 million. They have tried lockdowns, curfews, movement restrictions, and even closed the mosques. It has all made no difference. They have fines and deportation for offenders... yes, deportation.
Why? They don't appear to care.
My wife and I stay in our wee bubble as much as we can, and have our own masking, gloves, sanitizers, and every time we go outside the gate we wash all our clothes and have a hot bath with dettol. We have had no visitors since March 25th, and neither of us have met our close friends since then. We are alive, but hardly 'living.'
But! The other night was El Classico... Barcelona v Real Madrid... and the coffee shops here, with their big screens, did a roaring trade with (reportedly) hundreds of young Omanis gathered, mostly maskless, yelling and screaming, hugging, high-fiving, and the lot... It is so damn frustrating!

[Insane_Homer]

Today's numbers

367 further deaths (1398 for the last 7 days)

22,885 Positive tests

[frodder]

Today's numbers

367 further deaths (1398 for the last 7 days)

22,885 Positive tests

That's a fudger

[tc27]

Today's numbers

367 further deaths (1398 for the last 7 days)

22,885 Positive tests

That's a fudger

Tuesday 'ctach up' effect.

[Green light echo]

Oman, where I live, borders on the UAE. They are probably averaging 800 new cases every day from a population of less than 5 million. They have tried lockdowns, curfews, movement restrictions, and even closed the mosques. It has all made no difference. They have fines and deportation for offenders... yes, deportation.
Why? They don't appear to care.
My wife and I stay in our wee bubble as much as we can, and have our own masking, gloves, sanitizers, and every time we go outside the gate we wash all our clothes and have a hot bath with dettol. We have had no visitors since March 25th, and neither of us have met our close friends since then. We are alive, but hardly 'living.'
But! The other night was El Classico... Barcelona v Real Madrid... and the coffee shops here, with their big screens, did a roaring trade with (reportedly) hundreds of young Omanis gathered, mostly maskless, yelling and screaming, hugging, high-fiving, and the lot... It is so damn frustrating!

You sound surprised people are acting in an irrational poorly educated manner.

You are aware you live in the Middle East are you

[Openside]

Oman, where I live, borders on the UAE. They are probably averaging 800 new cases every day from a population of less than 5 million. They have tried lockdowns, curfews, movement restrictions, and even closed the mosques. It has all made no difference. They have fines and deportation for offenders... yes, deportation.
Why? They don't appear to care.
My wife and I stay in our wee bubble as much as we can, and have our own masking, gloves, sanitizers, and every time we go outside the gate we wash all our clothes and have a hot bath with dettol. We have had no visitors since March 25th, and neither of us have met our close friends since then. We are alive, but hardly 'living.'
But! The other night was El Classico... Barcelona v Real Madrid... and the coffee shops here, with their big screens, did a roaring trade with (reportedly) hundreds of young Omanis gathered, mostly maskless, yelling and screaming, hugging, high-fiving, and the lot... It is so damn frustrating!

You sound surprised people are acting in an irrational poorly educated manner.

You are aware you live in the Middle East are you

You only needed to have referred to them as ragheads and you would have won stereotype bingo...

[Green light echo]

Oman, where I live, borders on the UAE. They are probably averaging 800 new cases every day from a population of less than 5 million. They have tried lockdowns, curfews, movement restrictions, and even closed the mosques. It has all made no difference. They have fines and deportation for offenders... yes, deportation.
Why? They don't appear to care.
My wife and I stay in our wee bubble as much as we can, and have our own masking, gloves, sanitizers, and every time we go outside the gate we wash all our clothes and have a hot bath with dettol. We have had no visitors since March 25th, and neither of us have met our close friends since then. We are alive, but hardly 'living.'
But! The other night was El Classico... Barcelona v Real Madrid... and the coffee shops here, with their big screens, did a roaring trade with (reportedly) hundreds of young Omanis gathered, mostly maskless, yelling and screaming, hugging, high-fiving, and the lot... It is so damn frustrating!

You sound surprised people are acting in an irrational poorly educated manner.

You are aware you live in the Middle East are you

You only needed to have referred to them as ragheads and you would have won stereotype bingo...
[/quote

Your word not mine. And I must be mistaken. Hadn't realised that much of recent Middle Eastern history has been characterised by high levels of rational and educated behavior.

Must have ducked out for the past 3000 years

[mat the expat]

Oman, where I live, borders on the UAE. They are probably averaging 800 new cases every day from a population of less than 5 million. They have tried lockdowns, curfews, movement restrictions, and even closed the mosques. It has all made no difference. They have fines and deportation for offenders... yes, deportation.
Why? They don't appear to care.
My wife and I stay in our wee bubble as much as we can, and have our own masking, gloves, sanitizers, and every time we go outside the gate we wash all our clothes and have a hot bath with dettol. We have had no visitors since March 25th, and neither of us have met our close friends since then. We are alive, but hardly 'living.'
But! The other night was El Classico... Barcelona v Real Madrid... and the coffee shops here, with their big screens, did a roaring trade with (reportedly) hundreds of young Omanis gathered, mostly maskless, yelling and screaming, hugging, high-fiving, and the lot... It is so damn frustrating!

Good to see you around - it sucks being in lockdown, but as you say, it's safest!