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Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 1:19 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 12:47 pm Really from UA? Or false flag?

Yeah but nah but. If it had been the Ukranians Putler would have been toast. Fake news from Russia as ever.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 1:24 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:12 pm
GogLais wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 12:40 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 8:53 am Where did the Ukraine did it shite start?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65461401
Is this a “Rearrange the following words to make a sentence” thing?
Yeah. What did you decide on?

But I work out it couldn’t tried I.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 1:26 pm**

dkm57 wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:19 pm
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 12:47 pm Really from UA? Or false flag?

Yeah but nah but. If it had been the Ukranians Putler would have been toast. Fake news from Russia as ever.

I didn’t realise Moscow was that close to Ukraine.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 1:48 pm**

Ukraine denies it. And Frankly makes little sense / is a camouflet for Putin whether it was or not.

the train accidents are much more efficient / easier to spread around as far as sabotage go.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 2:11 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:48 pm Ukraine denies it. And Frankly makes little sense / is a camouflet for Putin whether it was or not.

the train accidents are much more efficient / easier to spread around as far as sabotage go.

And looking at the video there just happen to be two figures climbing halfway up the dome - WTF?! Also said to be small drones coming from the east, too small to be operated all the way from UA.
Putin is also know to be outside Moscow currently. A bit of a sad staged affair...

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 2:16 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:57 pm
GogLais wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:24 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:12 pm

Yeah. What did you decide on?
But I work out it couldn’t tried I.
Stick it in ChatGPT like you do all your other posts

Ooooh bitchy!

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 4:21 pm**

Judging by the shouting of "retaliation coming!" I'm going to guess they just needed an excuse for another big missile attack that they will claim to be a success since they really have nothing else to gloat over during the May 9th parade.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 7:02 pm**

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 9:15 am I reckon the offensive is well underway lads....

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fu ... 023-05-03/

A fuel depot was on fire early on Wednesday near a crucial bridge linking Russia's mainland with Crimea, a Russian official said, days after Moscow blamed Ukraine for an attack that set fire to an oil depot in Sevastopol.

Flames and black smoke billowed over what appeared to be large tanks emblazoned with red warnings of "Flammable" in videos posted on Russian social media, though Reuters could not independently verify either the fire reports or the videos.

"The fire has been classified as the highest rank of difficulty," Veniamin Kondratyev, the governor of the Krasnodar region lying across the Sea of Azov from Ukraine, said on the Telegram messaging app, adding that there were no casualties.

Kondratyev said the blaze broke out in the village of Volna. The hamlet is close to the Crimean bridge over the Kerch Strait, a major artery for Russian forces, as it links the mainland to the Crimean peninsula that was annexed in 2014 from Ukraine.

The incident came days after a drone strike set ablaze a Russian fuel storage facility in the Crimean port of Sevastopol on Saturday, in what Moscow called a Ukrainian attack.

Ukraine did not claim responsibility for the Sevastopol attack, in line with its standard practice during the conflict, which began in February 2022.

It's shaping operations targeting Russian logistics, it'll probably be at least another fortnight before the tanks start rolling.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 7:32 pm**

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:02 pm
Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 9:15 am I reckon the offensive is well underway lads....

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fu ... 023-05-03/

A fuel depot was on fire early on Wednesday near a crucial bridge linking Russia's mainland with Crimea, a Russian official said, days after Moscow blamed Ukraine for an attack that set fire to an oil depot in Sevastopol.

Flames and black smoke billowed over what appeared to be large tanks emblazoned with red warnings of "Flammable" in videos posted on Russian social media, though Reuters could not independently verify either the fire reports or the videos.

"The fire has been classified as the highest rank of difficulty," Veniamin Kondratyev, the governor of the Krasnodar region lying across the Sea of Azov from Ukraine, said on the Telegram messaging app, adding that there were no casualties.

Kondratyev said the blaze broke out in the village of Volna. The hamlet is close to the Crimean bridge over the Kerch Strait, a major artery for Russian forces, as it links the mainland to the Crimean peninsula that was annexed in 2014 from Ukraine.

The incident came days after a drone strike set ablaze a Russian fuel storage facility in the Crimean port of Sevastopol on Saturday, in what Moscow called a Ukrainian attack.

Ukraine did not claim responsibility for the Sevastopol attack, in line with its standard practice during the conflict, which began in February 2022.

It's shaping operations targeting Russian logistics, it'll probably be at least another fortnight before the tanks start rolling.

Yeah, they were already rationing fuel in Crimean once the rail line on the bridge was damaged. The Orcs are so totally dependent on rail, that it has its own armed force, who are charged with protecting it. I think I saw that these troops started getting called up for combat duty several months ago, so that made the job of saboteurs much easier.

If Ukraine can destroy some more of the POL facilities, they can (a) severely damage the ability of the Orcs to maneuver in any attack, {b) Maybe limit the ability of the Navy to surge whatever ships they have in Sevastopol, & (c) really put the willies up the civilian population, who may decide they'd rather leave now, while they have fuel for their cars, than wait & hope they have it when the time comes.

It'd be nice to see the Orcs have their own refugee crisis, & try to explain how things are going wonderfully.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 9:35 pm**

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:02 pm
Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 9:15 am I reckon the offensive is well underway lads....

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fu ... 023-05-03/

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A fuel depot was on fire early on Wednesday near a crucial bridge linking Russia's mainland with Crimea, a Russian official said, days after Moscow blamed Ukraine for an attack that set fire to an oil depot in Sevastopol.

Flames and black smoke billowed over what appeared to be large tanks emblazoned with red warnings of "Flammable" in videos posted on Russian social media, though Reuters could not independently verify either the fire reports or the videos.

"The fire has been classified as the highest rank of difficulty," Veniamin Kondratyev, the governor of the Krasnodar region lying across the Sea of Azov from Ukraine, said on the Telegram messaging app, adding that there were no casualties.

Kondratyev said the blaze broke out in the village of Volna. The hamlet is close to the Crimean bridge over the Kerch Strait, a major artery for Russian forces, as it links the mainland to the Crimean peninsula that was annexed in 2014 from Ukraine.

The incident came days after a drone strike set ablaze a Russian fuel storage facility in the Crimean port of Sevastopol on Saturday, in what Moscow called a Ukrainian attack.

Ukraine did not claim responsibility for the Sevastopol attack, in line with its standard practice during the conflict, which began in February 2022.

It's shaping operations targeting Russian logistics, it'll probably be at least another fortnight before the tanks start rolling.

There's been a couple of weeks now, of isolated 'incidents' that point to preparatory work softening up various vulnerabilities. Ukraine's assistant defense minister said back then that the counter had started. I understand that the sight of tanks rolling signals the full on assault that many are relying on but I think it's fair to say the campaign is underway.

Bakhmut has been a sideshow, consuming Wagner personnel in the meantime. There's a little bit of rope a dope about that.

Posted: **Thu May 04, 2023 5:28 am**

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 9:35 pm
Hellraiser wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:02 pm
Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 9:15 am I reckon the offensive is well underway lads....

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fu ... 023-05-03/

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It's shaping operations targeting Russian logistics, it'll probably be at least another fortnight before the tanks start rolling.
There's been a couple of weeks now, of isolated 'incidents' that point to preparatory work softening up various vulnerabilities. Ukraine's assistant defense minister said back then that the counter had started. I understand that the sight of tanks rolling signals the full on assault that many are relying on but I think it's fair to say the campaign is underway.

Bakhmut has been a sideshow, consuming Wagner personnel in the meantime. There's a little bit of rope a dope about that.

I wouldn't put it quite like that. Once the fighting became purely urban with the Russians focusing their limited ammo supplies there the Ukrainians have paid a high price in casualties. And they're past the stage of this being gallant heroism, it's simply good guys going down constantly. It's done the job yes with Wagner and now the airborne units, the most effective troops Russia has, being sucked in to help pave the way for a successful offensive but it's not a side show.

Posted: **Thu May 04, 2023 5:55 am**

Side show was lazy wording… I guess what I was driving at was the way it has sucked in resources while the main event is readied.

Posted: **Thu May 04, 2023 11:51 am**

Posted: **Thu May 04, 2023 1:08 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 4:21 pm Judging by the shouting of "retaliation coming!" I'm going to guess they just needed an excuse for another big missile attack that they will claim to be a success since they really have nothing else to gloat over during the May 9th parade.

Its no better than a bloody firework, it did not even take down the flagpole, completely rancid, no question it was a false flag.

Posted: **Thu May 04, 2023 1:20 pm**

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Posted: **Thu May 04, 2023 8:12 pm**

Definition of fuck around and find out

Posted: **Thu May 04, 2023 8:49 pm**

ASMO wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:08 pm
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 4:21 pm Judging by the shouting of "retaliation coming!" I'm going to guess they just needed an excuse for another big missile attack that they will claim to be a success since they really have nothing else to gloat over during the May 9th parade.

Its no better than a bloody firework, it did not even take down the flagpole, completely rancid, no question it was a false flag.

I just immediately thought Monty Python

Posted: **Thu May 04, 2023 8:57 pm**

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Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 11:46 am**

Paper tiger/toothless bear

The much boasted about dagger has no edge.

That patriot crew did well must be the first week or two in the job.

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 1:06 pm**

Wagner threatening to pull out of Bakhmut.

BBC News - Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner Group boss says he will pull troops out of Bakhmut
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65493008

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 1:10 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:06 pm Wagner threatening to pull out of Bakhmut.

BBC News - Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner Group boss says he will pull troops out of Bakhmut
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65493008

I'm wondering what exactly the ambition of Prigozhin's endgame is - whether its Putin or the likes of Shoigu and Gerasimov who should be most concerned. Or maybe all of them.

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 1:11 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:06 pm Wagner threatening to pull out of Bakhmut.

BBC News - Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner Group boss says he will pull troops out of Bakhmut
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65493008

Would be funny if a genuine threat and actually arried out - even funnier if UA can artillery shell the shit out of them as they go

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 1:22 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:11 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:06 pm Wagner threatening to pull out of Bakhmut.

BBC News - Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner Group boss says he will pull troops out of Bakhmut
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65493008
Would be funny if a genuine threat and actually arried out - even funnier if UA can artillery shell the shit out of them as they go

Don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

Wonder could it be an attempt to entice Ukraine out of their defensive posture and try to pull them into a trap?

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 1:34 pm**

The Danish defence minister stated 80 Leopard 1A5s will be delivered to Ukraine before June 1st.

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 2:43 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:22 pm
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:11 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:06 pm Wagner threatening to pull out of Bakhmut.

BBC News - Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner Group boss says he will pull troops out of Bakhmut
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65493008
Would be funny if a genuine threat and actually arried out - even funnier if UA can artillery shell the shit out of them as they go
Don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

Wonder could it be an attempt to entice Ukraine out of their defensive posture and try to pull them into a trap?

That's so unsubtle and predictable that it might well be exactly the aim

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 3:37 pm**

It's exactly the kind of hamfisted prank they've been doing all along.

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 3:46 pm**

Much depends on how deep the rift between Prigozhin and the RU MoD really is and how much is theatre. The were some suggestions that the Kremlin drone was a stunt by Wagner to embarrass the MoD, but I don't know - think it's best to maintain a good degree of scepticism about the whole thing. If it was that bad then surely Wagner would pack their bags for Sudan where pickings are probably much richer and easier to get their claws into ( as they have in Mali etc).

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 4:34 pm**

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Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 8:55 pm**

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 8:43 pm

Wow, they got them there quick !

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 9:43 pm**

The UAF Arms/Logs support from aligned allies has increased very, very rapidly these past 4 weeks; sufficient to provide near on 80% re-supply to critical assets designated for an offensive, as most commentators have surmised. What they do with it, I'll defer to the likes of Fishy, Hells and OS ... just my two-penneth from a part-time-supplier perspective.

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 11:08 pm**

Wyndham Upalot wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 9:43 pm The UAF Arms/Logs support from aligned allies has increased very, very rapidly these past 4 weeks; sufficient to provide near on 80% re-supply to critical assets designated for an offensive, as most commentators have surmised. What they do with it, I'll defer to the likes of Fishy, Hells and OS ... just my two-penneth from a part-time-supplier perspective.

Apparently they've received a shit ton of engineering, bridging, pontoon, and amphibious equipment that has was not announced or publicised; for example at least one of the Italian's combat engineer regiments depots has been basically entirely cleaned out. Plus a significant number of Ukrainian engineering units have also been spotted training with the British Army and the Heer at Minden the last few months. And what did the units of the Army of the Rhine based at Minden specialise in during the Cold War? Large river crossings....

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 11:16 pm**

Minden has been a first collect point. I'll leave it at that. It's weird that that the old BAOR seems to be reinstated, cz there's plenty of backfill there.

Posted: **Fri May 05, 2023 11:30 pm**

Apparently Russia deployed phosphorus bombs in Bakhmut. Pretty desperate sort of a move if true.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 12:05 am**

I've seen independent Russian media state that, as of end of April, Russian casualties stood at a confirmable absolute minimum of 270k. Some 60k KIA and 210K WIA.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 12:10 am**

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 11:30 pm Apparently Russia deployed phosphorus bombs in Bakhmut. Pretty desperate sort of a move if true.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 12:52 am**

https://news.yahoo.com/we-will-keep-kil ... 56674.html

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