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petej wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 11:06 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 9:34 am Not sure what is happening in Severodonetsk currently, Chechen leader Kadyrov claims their forces are in the city and have control while UA says they are still defending against assault while the inevitable artillery pounding goes on. Another city for Russia to be proud over controlling piles of rubble and corpses...?

Isn't he miles behind lines using his forces to threaten russian conscripts?

We have more from Serhiy Haidai, Luhansk regional head, on what is going on in the city of Severodonetsk which is facing an assault from Russian forces.

He says there is virtually no gas, water and electricity in the city, and the only communication lines the Ukrainian authorities currently have are with a humanitarian centre in Severodonetsk and a hospital via Starlinks (Elon Musk’s internet).

About 90% of houses in the city have been damaged by shelling.

Describing the Russian tactics, Haidai says: “They would be shelling for three, four, five hours and then advance. Those who are attacking are being killed, and then shelling starts again, and then another attack. And this would be happening until they are able to break through our positions somewhere.

“The weather is quite hot right now. And all over Severodonetsk’s outskirts, we have this persistent corpse stench because they [Russians] are not taking the bodies.”

What's more, he says, “one million people [across the Luhansk region] are left without water”.

Haidai describes the Ukrainian defenders as “heroes” because they are in “the most difficult situation” on Ukraine’s battlefields.

“We are being fired upon with all the Russians have at their disposal. And despite this, the boys are holding on in this part of the Luhansk region until our country’s military get the necessary weapons” to push back the enemy.

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 9:05 pm (map)

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:21 pm

yermum wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 7:46 pm T62s Jesus christ.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1530 ... 34848.html

40 years old my arse; they're 50+ years old, & may have had a new engine installed, or some other upgrades, but fundamentally they're still a slightly up-armored 1950s tank, that was retired because it was too slow to keep you with the, then new, BMP-1s

If I was told this was my new ride; I'd either roll a grenade into my COs tent, or just desert.

happytramp wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 7:59 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:21 pm

yermum wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 7:46 pm T62s Jesus christ.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1530 ... 34848.html

40 years old my arse; they're 50+ years old, & may have had a new engine installed, or some other upgrades, but fundamentally they're still a slightly up-armored 1950s tank, that was retired because it was too slow to keep you with the, then new, BMP-1s

If I was told this was my new ride; I'd either roll a grenade into my COs tent, or just desert.

6 of them destroyed around Kherson yesterday.... Not off to a great start.

Russia says attacks in Russian-controlled territory of Ukraine are 'outrageous'

The Kremlin said today that attacks on civilian infrastructure in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine were "outrageous".

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 12:24 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 2:41 pm

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 12:24 pm

I hope this runs out of control at some point. And that they pack up their stuff and drive toward Moscow.

Russia hails Biden's decision not to send Ukraine long-range rocket systems

This afternoon, Joe Biden confirmed that the US has no plans to send Ukraine rocket systems that can reach into Russia.

The US has provided Ukraine with a significant amount of military aid since Russia launched an invasion of the country in late February.

Russian Security Council deputy chairman Dmitry Medvedev has now hailed Washington's decision as "rational".

Moscow has openly condemned the US for supplying weaponry to Ukraine throughout what it calls a "special military operation".

Reports had emerged that the Biden administration was preparing to send advanced long-range rocket systems to Kyiv.

This was dismissed by Mr Biden this afternoon.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 4:41 pm

Russia hails Biden's decision not to send Ukraine long-range rocket systems

This afternoon, Joe Biden confirmed that the US has no plans to send Ukraine rocket systems that can reach into Russia.

The US has provided Ukraine with a significant amount of military aid since Russia launched an invasion of the country in late February.

Russian Security Council deputy chairman Dmitry Medvedev has now hailed Washington's decision as "rational".

Moscow has openly condemned the US for supplying weaponry to Ukraine throughout what it calls a "special military operation".

Reports had emerged that the Biden administration was preparing to send advanced long-range rocket systems to Kyiv.

This was dismissed by Mr Biden this afternoon.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 5:39 pm More batshittery from Russian State TV: "The special operation in Ukraine is over, it's time to demilitarize NATO!"

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 5:39 pm More batshittery from Russian State TV: "The special operation in Ukraine is over, it's time to demilitarize NATO!"

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 3:38 am I read that Russian aviation is much more active in Donbass and one of the reasons the Ukrainians are on the verge of collapse there.

average joe wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:26 am How much of the heavier equipment sent to Ukraine actually make it to the front?

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:33 am

average joe wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:26 am How much of the heavier equipment sent to Ukraine actually make it to the front?

Russia regularly claims to destroy supplies in warehouses with targeted missile strikes, no-one's telling of course how much damage is really done.

laurent wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:35 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:33 am

average joe wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:26 am How much of the heavier equipment sent to Ukraine actually make it to the front?

Russia regularly claims to destroy supplies in warehouses with targeted missile strikes, no-one's telling of course how much damage is really done.

Apparently they got caught out early on with some stuff I doubt they store anything in bulk after one of the garrison was destroyed in Lviv early in the conflict. (this was were the "foreign" legion was being formed if I recall properly)

average joe wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:42 am

laurent wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:35 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:33 am
Russia regularly claims to destroy supplies in warehouses with targeted missile strikes, no-one's telling of course how much damage is really done.

Apparently they got caught out early on with some stuff I doubt they store anything in bulk after one of the garrison was destroyed in Lviv early in the conflict. (this was were the "foreign" legion was being formed if I recall properly)

How is it coming in?

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 3:38 am I read that Russian aviation is much more active in Donbass and one of the reasons the Ukrainians are on the verge of collapse there.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:33 am

average joe wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:26 am How much of the heavier equipment sent to Ukraine actually make it to the front?

Russia regularly claims to destroy supplies in warehouses with targeted missile strikes, no-one's telling of course how much damage is really done.

average joe wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:26 am How much of the heavier equipment sent to Ukraine actually make it to the front?

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 8:34 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:33 am

average joe wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:26 am How much of the heavier equipment sent to Ukraine actually make it to the front?

Russia regularly claims to destroy supplies in warehouses with targeted missile strikes, no-one's telling of course how much damage is really done.

They haven't made any credible claims like that in weeks. Partly because they don't actually know where the weapons are and partly because they're running out of guided missiles.

Blake wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 9:46 am Meanwhile the infantry just need to hold out...poor buggers.

Blake wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 9:46 am

average joe wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:26 am How much of the heavier equipment sent to Ukraine actually make it to the front?

A lot of it is actually getting to the front surprisingly fast. I've seen some video of the US M777 towed and also of the French self-propelled artillery in the field already.

The bottleneck seems to be training the Ukrainian servicemen in their use; pulling guys from the field, the reserves and the TDF, sending them to Europe, cramming knowledge and training into their heads for 3-4 weeks, and sending to the front with their new toys.

Also the logistics and support vehicles than accompany them all need to be coordinated and the artillery units need to be integrated into the Ukrainian custom designed fire control center. It seems the limited number of systems that have already been deployed to the front are being manned by servicemen that have gone to joint NATO training missions prior to the war so have some familiarity with the systems, but there aren't that many of them to pull from.

Unfortunately it isn't a turn key situation with many of these systems that are getting donated. If they aren't from old Soviet supplies that the Ukrainians can easily incorporate into their fighting force, there is a bit of a learning curve and lag before they can be safely and effectively deployed.

Meanwhile the infantry just need to hold out...poor buggers.

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 8:31 am

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 3:38 am I read that Russian aviation is much more active in Donbass and one of the reasons the Ukrainians are on the verge of collapse there.

Where the hell are you getting this "verge of collapse" nonsense?

Blake wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:20 am

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 3:38 am I read that Russian aviation is much more active in Donbass and one of the reasons the Ukrainians are on the verge of collapse there.

"Verge of collapse" is maybe a bit hyperbolic; but they are taking a pounding. With the shorter supply lines the Russian Eastern front can finally use their superior numbers until they run out of bodies, ammo and fuel; and also enjoy some close air support while the infantry with MANPADS are dodging artillery shells.

Hopefully the Ukrainian defenses can hold tight while they launch some counter-offenses elsewhere where Russia has pulled some BTGs away, and until their new units are trained up on the new NATO equipment. Really hope the US supplies some MLRS platforms. Ukraine desperately needs the range. Maybe they can come to some agreement if Ukraine pinky swears not to fire into Russia itself, but I fear that is wishful thinking. Russia knows they will be a game changer so are really trying to block them.

Blake wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 9:46 am

average joe wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:26 am How much of the heavier equipment sent to Ukraine actually make it to the front?

A lot of it is actually getting to the front surprisingly fast. I've seen some video of the US M777 towed and also of the French self-propelled artillery in the field already.

The bottleneck seems to be training the Ukrainian servicemen in their use; pulling guys from the field, the reserves and the TDF, sending them to Europe, cramming knowledge and training into their heads for 3-4 weeks, and sending to the front with their new toys.

Also the logistics and support vehicles than accompany them all need to be coordinated and the artillery units need to be integrated into the Ukrainian custom designed fire control center. It seems the limited number of systems that have already been deployed to the front are being manned by servicemen that have gone to joint NATO training missions prior to the war so have some familiarity with the systems, but there aren't that many of them to pull from.

Unfortunately it isn't a turn key situation with many of these systems that are getting donated. If they aren't from old Soviet supplies that the Ukrainians can easily incorporate into their fighting force, there is a bit of a learning curve and lag before they can be safely and effectively deployed.

Meanwhile the infantry just need to hold out...poor buggers.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 11:33 am If you're going to eat a dog then a yorkie ain't going to really do it.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 11:11 am

Blake wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 9:46 am

average joe wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:26 am How much of the heavier equipment sent to Ukraine actually make it to the front?

A lot of it is actually getting to the front surprisingly fast. I've seen some video of the US M777 towed and also of the French self-propelled artillery in the field already.

The bottleneck seems to be training the Ukrainian servicemen in their use; pulling guys from the field, the reserves and the TDF, sending them to Europe, cramming knowledge and training into their heads for 3-4 weeks, and sending to the front with their new toys.

Also the logistics and support vehicles than accompany them all need to be coordinated and the artillery units need to be integrated into the Ukrainian custom designed fire control center. It seems the limited number of systems that have already been deployed to the front are being manned by servicemen that have gone to joint NATO training missions prior to the war so have some familiarity with the systems, but there aren't that many of them to pull from.

Unfortunately it isn't a turn key situation with many of these systems that are getting donated. If they aren't from old Soviet supplies that the Ukrainians can easily incorporate into their fighting force, there is a bit of a learning curve and lag before they can be safely and effectively deployed.

Meanwhile the infantry just need to hold out...poor buggers.

A lot of training happening on the low down. Poland just announced a 18 KRAB 155mm self-propelled howitzers transfer. They also said 100 Ukrainian redlegs had been trained already for the kit. What would really get me erect is if a couple of dozen Ukie pilots had been in F16 training for the last 3 months. I've heard it would take about a year to transfer skills from a Mig 29 to a 4th gen fighter but it would be hella cool for the Ukies to suddenly get 20 F16s with AIM air to air and just shred the oppo jets.

laurent wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 12:11 pm

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 11:11 am

Blake wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 9:46 am

A lot of it is actually getting to the front surprisingly fast. I've seen some video of the US M777 towed and also of the French self-propelled artillery in the field already.

The bottleneck seems to be training the Ukrainian servicemen in their use; pulling guys from the field, the reserves and the TDF, sending them to Europe, cramming knowledge and training into their heads for 3-4 weeks, and sending to the front with their new toys.

Also the logistics and support vehicles than accompany them all need to be coordinated and the artillery units need to be integrated into the Ukrainian custom designed fire control center. It seems the limited number of systems that have already been deployed to the front are being manned by servicemen that have gone to joint NATO training missions prior to the war so have some familiarity with the systems, but there aren't that many of them to pull from.

Unfortunately it isn't a turn key situation with many of these systems that are getting donated. If they aren't from old Soviet supplies that the Ukrainians can easily incorporate into their fighting force, there is a bit of a learning curve and lag before they can be safely and effectively deployed.

Meanwhile the infantry just need to hold out...poor buggers.

A lot of training happening on the low down. Poland just announced a 18 KRAB 155mm self-propelled howitzers transfer. They also said 100 Ukrainian redlegs had been trained already for the kit. What would really get me erect is if a couple of dozen Ukie pilots had been in F16 training for the last 3 months. I've heard it would take about a year to transfer skills from a Mig 29 to a 4th gen fighter but it would be hella cool for the Ukies to suddenly get 20 F16s with AIM air to air and just shred the oppo jets.

Mig 29 or SU 27 are 4th gen (whatever that means).
The system is very different (Migs and Sukhoy have some tools F16 don't ) you need to learn how to use the aircrafts and its system that takes a long time. (takes about 1 year in French air force on top of the pilot training)

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 11:11 am A lot of training happening on the low down. Poland just announced a 18 KRAB 155mm self-propelled howitzers transfer. They also said 100 Ukrainian redlegs had been trained already for the kit. What would really get me erect is if a couple of dozen Ukie pilots had been in F16 training for the last 3 months. I've heard it would take about a year to transfer skills from a Mig 29 to a 4th gen fighter but it would be hella cool for the Ukies to suddenly get 20 F16s with AIM air to air and just shred the oppo jets.